CCS clears AMCA for IAF

By the way, whose medium-voltage DC electromagnetic catapult was "stolen" from the Fujian aircraft carrier? Do you think the Chinese are the same as you? You Indians are so funny.
Give it sometime and we will know. Either the electromagnetic catapult will fail like your straddling bus which was making a lot of noise or we will see some european or american company finally coming out and telling that their IPR was stolen by their chinese employees.

Nortel Networks corporate espionage was done for quite sometime by Huawei. Its only now that we are starting to know how things went.

We Indians work from scratch as well. Unlike Chinese who only copy. Russian, American or European designs. Which is a reason why Indian defence projects are delayed this much. A lot of Indian defence projects are ab initio research.
 
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You're making claims on fighters that literally only exist on paper and miniature models right now.

You're also claiming that the KAAN is comparing itself to the F-22 and F-35, when in reality it is doing its own thing.

I'm not comparing apples to oranges, you are.

I'm literally the one telling you not to make comparisons.
I believe we should use the term "Stealth" or "Stealthy" fighters for these fighters. Because fifth generation as defined by LockMart is not always fully applicable to these.

From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_fighter)
 
if you want while again the JL-9 is flying since December 2003 - aka since more than 20 years - and YES it is dated
You should also tell, that JL-9 while flying since 2003 was only started to be used for its intended purpose in PLAAF in 2015. Tell the whole facts.

And yes it dated but only relatively recently introduced in training.

 
So in the end you correctly mock about the old JL-9, which the PLAAF is no longer introducing and I'm sure, steadily phasing out within the next decade, but India plans to deveop such a dated type right now!
Are you sure? From what I heard they are planning to use JL-9's variant as carrier trainer.


Highly doubt it will be phased out anytime soon. And certainly not as soon as next decade.
 
You should also tell, that JL-9 while flying since 2003 was only started to be used for its intended purpose in PLAAF in 2015. Tell the whole facts.

And yes it dated but only relatively recently introduced in training.


If 2015 is recently for you then ok, but that’s only one unit and why then do you rate the 42 as a modern trainer? Alone the fact that it needs the same engine like the Tejas MK2 shows, there is something wrong…
 
Are you sure? From what I heard they are planning to use JL-9's variant as carrier trainer.


Highly doubt it will be phased out anytime soon. And certainly not as soon as next decade.

Again you are about 10 years behind… no, they are just developing a carrier capable JL-10J.

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Again you are about 10 years behind… no, they are just developing a carrier capable JL-10J.
10 years? That article is from 2020. And please use a half way decent source. Pictures are not.
 
If 2015 is recently for you then ok, but that’s only one unit and why then do you rate the 42 as a modern trainer? Alone the fact that it needs the same engine like the Tejas MK2 shows, there is something wrong…
Meet Northtrop T-38 Talon. It has been in the role of twin seat twin engine ATJ since .... late 50s?well way before I was even born. And it is still being used by USAF but it is being increasingly replaced by Boeing T-7 Red Hawk. Only in 2003 that USAF started gathering requirement for T-X program which was supposed to replace T-38. T-7 was selected in 2018. And till now the replacement of T-38 is not over.

Upshot of the above history? For AJT, 50 years of legacy is not uncommon. Compared to that, 9 year old JL-9 is very much very new.
 
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Again you are about 10 years behind… no, they are just developing a carrier capable JL-10J.

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But T-38 was developed in 60s, so China was 6-7 decades behind them? And now US developing T-7. Hmmmm.

Your contention is only for India? Obviosuly 😉
 
10 years? That article is from 2020. And please use a half way decent source. Pictures are not.

Are you just dumb or are you playing a fool in order to look even more stupid!

The report you posted in from 2015 and as I tried to explain, it mentioned that one certain unit - aka the PLAAF University - was getting them. NO WORRD from 2020! So either you should better check your facts or learn harder, maybe you have some reading comprehension issues too?

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Upshot of the above history? For AJT, 50 years of legacy is not uncommon. Compared to that, 9 year old JL-9 is very much very new.

Oh, not only reading comprehension issues but also Discalcules? Again, check the facts: Maiden flight in 2003, fisrt flight of the improved one in 2006 and it entered service in 2007 for OPEVAL and finally in 2008 as a trainer.

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So yes, it is dated and I admitted it but even a comparison to the much more dated T-38 is stupid, since India is trying to develop a dated trainer now in the mid-2020s!
 
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Are you just dumb or are you playing a fool in order to look even more stupid!

The report you posted in from 2015 and as I tried to explain, it mentioned that one certain unit - aka the PLAAF University - was getting them. NO WORRD from 2020! So either you should better check your facts or learn harder, maybe you have some reading comprehension issues too?

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You confused the date of introduction of JL-9 in PLAAF with date of report mentioning potential JL-9's CARRIER TRAINER variant.
 
Now, you are MISREPRESENTING things.

1. From your own image, it passed technology certification in 2009 and design certification by 2011.
2. My source clearly calls out that it was being started to be used as a trainer by CADETS in 2015.
The plane started to be used for its intended purpose (check my post again) from 2015 only.


I am sure you will also have issue with BAE Hawk Trainer as well, right? It was produced in UK till very recently till BAE Systems in Brough closed its door for operation. It first flew in 70s.

Need I tell you many airforces are still using BAE Hawk for training new pilots.

Again! For OPEVAl in 2007 and service introduction later ... but why then posting something about 2020, insisting again on that date and now trying to nit-pick?

And finally once again: I have no issues with the T-38, the JL-9 and Hawk since they are indeed old, dated - no-one denies this - but they are still in use, so what! But India starts development of such a dated design NOW and it surely - if ever - will fly - again much delayed and enter service even later again! So why developing such a dated one NOW; this makes no sense.

At least try to understand what others post! using something old is fine, but developing something dated is stupid!

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You confused the date of introduction of JL-9 in PLAAF with date of report mentioning potential JL-9's CARRIER TRAINER variant.


I confused??? Now I'm sure you are just dumb or a troll!

I did nothing, you instead did and in fact I have enough of you stupid troll! At least get the facts correct: The planned carrier-capable (and in the end failed as a carrier trainer) JL-9G flew first in 2009 and entered service in 2013!

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I confused??? Now I'm sure you are just dumb or a troll!
No my dear. You are a name-calling confused person. Lets see...

You are confusing the post about potential Naval use of the platform (and its associated report which clearly came out in 2020) with another post which talks about when the plane was started to be used by cadets (ie 2015, the year of the report too).

Its this simple.

Now, either you accept your confusion, apologize or this is my last reply to you. Thank you!
 
Oh still touchy! Just for those who cannot or do not want to understand why I mocked the Marut-based trainer and left the JL-9 aside: Again - you surel ydon't want to hear it - this tiny old-fashioned HLFT-42 design is still a project only, a paper-project if you want while again the JL-9 is flying since December 2003 - aka since more than 20 years - and YES it is dated, outdated and no longer a reasonable jet-trainer for future generation fighter and their pilots.! Even the JL-10 just recently had its maiden flight in March 2006 - aka yesterday exactly 15 years ago!

You however portray the HLFT-42 as some sort of state-of the art trainer and start development NOW ... so when will it fly? When will it enter service? Like the AMCA in the mid-2030s!?

So in the end you correctly mock about the old JL-9, which the PLAAF is no longer introducing and I'm sure, steadily phasing out within the next decade, but India plans to deveop such a dated type right now! And again just look at the HAL HJT-36 Sitara, which is another such prolonged and de facto failed project! Why the heck should anyone expect the HLFT-42 will be succesful when do not get the smaller and less complex HJT-36 ready?

India does not plan to introduce an outdated LIFT which uses the JJ-7/FT-7's turbojet engines in an era of turbofans with mechanical linkages for controls.

The plan is simply to use the HF-24's aerodynamic layout (which was considered extremely good even in it's days) while using the GE F-404 or F-414 engines with FADEC and use FBW FCS controls, unlike the mechanical linkages on the JL-9.

The avionics will be as good as those on the Tejas Mk2 (HLFT-42 will naturally share commonality with it) whereas a radar and IRST will be offered and that will be up to the IAF to go with. The displays/synthetic training that the HLFT-42 will use will be similar to what was shown on the LCA SPORT (which has been dropped from development due to the cost associated with building a jet with such a lot of composites)

So it will be as modern as any new gen trainer in development today including the T-7A and Hurjet.

Which brings me to the point you chose not to answer- What is so special and revolutionary about the T-7A design ? Or the Hurjet? What makes them stand out over the proposed HLFT-42?

I would appreciate a nuanced answer to know what exactly it is that these in development trainers have that the proposed HLFT-42 design doesn't.

After all the T-7A is a reworked Hornet design with obvious similarities that arose out of Boeing's access to the Hornet design as it's OEM. And even with that the T-7A is not going to enter service till 2026 as per the latest reports on AviationWeek.

Regarding the HJT-36, it has already completed all mandated spin tests. You clearly aren't aware of that. The IAF however, now does not seem to be in a hurry to bring in an IJT (which is what the HJT-36 is) to slot in between PC-7 Mk2/HTT-40 and Hawk AJT for training, anymore. At least that's my take, though HAL's Chief Test Pilot tweeted this pic today of the Sitara.

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My guess is that in a few years from now, a new clean sheet AJT design will be offered by HAL to replace the hundred odd Hawks in IAF and IN service.
 

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