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[Watandar]

If it favors Pakistan then why not. Pakistan comes first.

"Pakistan comes first" is what every dictator and oath breaker said. Still waiting for the benefits.

Here is just one instance of "Pakistaan Firrstt"

Address to Nation: Declaration of Emergency

3 November 2007 Dear Pakistani Brothers and Sisters, Assalam-o-Alaikum! As I speak to you today, Pakistan is facing a very dangerous situation. It is suffering from an internal crisis and whatever…

presidentmusharraf.wordpress.com

 

[Watandar]

Destroyed the only real estate project in Pakistan worth calling a Semi World Class

RIP Bahria Town , good people tried to do good in Pakistan

Bahria town is best housing scheme in Pakistan and was taking business away from DHA. As the faujis and faujeets say "Pakistan comes first".

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It's same story, working class works goes overseas , brings money to Pakistan builds a small home

Now choor G***o even destroyed project like Bahria town

They have been Salivating over Bahria Town projects for some time
as it was out of the reach of City authorities and Choor

I used to always give examples , look at the City , streets , housing , sh*t all of it is sh*t , then we look at Bahria Town planning , the vision and outlook. Looked fantastic, 1990 level Expat living community model in Middle East and very Spanish/American style housing. It was miracle , in middle of Sh*t someone business man developed an actual Modern City

City Politicians just paint the roads with Coal Tar but cities look like Sh*t
, garbage , dirt , pollution for past 40-50 years

Pakistaniyo ki Takaluf and Sharaft , will take them to grave
Living like Buzdil

Unnecessarily , putting all the G***do on our heads

 

[Jango007]

"Pakistan comes first" is what every dictator and oath breaker said. Still waiting for the benefits.

Here is just one instance of "Pakistaan Firrstt"

Address to Nation: Declaration of Emergency

3 November 2007 Dear Pakistani Brothers and Sisters, Assalam-o-Alaikum! As I speak to you today, Pakistan is facing a very dangerous situation. It is suffering from an internal crisis and whatever…

presidentmusharraf.wordpress.com

And they end up in the West with their millions …. And spoiled families….

Anyways here is the problem with this idea …..
Americans used us and threw us out after Afghan war finished … they sanctioned us and left us with millions of refugees , guns and extremism.

Americans used us and sanctioned us and banned us even from their military academies after war with Taliban ended leaving us with insurgencies and fully loaded terrorists with the latest American weapons . While we were their ally they killed thousands in drone attacks , killed our soldiers and violated at will our sovereignty and we simply stayed quiet …..

Americans used us in Somalia and didn’t even bother saying Thankyou for saving their ass …

Billions of so called aid never benefited a single ordinary Pakistani …. It disappeared as CSF and for balance of payment support ….or eaten by politicians and generals …..

List goes on and on and yet right after we had a historic win made possible by our Chinese friends our Field idiot martial ran to America instead of siding with China in their tariff war against America ….

All this to be able to join Abraham accord and make some money and get visas …..

No matter how much I hate Modi and Indian state at least they have not folded and simply bent over without even being asked …..

Truly embarrassing and humiliating to see Pakistan capitulate like a trained dog ….

 

[Watandar]

And they end up in the West with their millions …. And spoiled families….

Anyways here is the problem with this idea …..
Americans used us and threw us out after Afghan war finished … they sanctioned us and left us with millions of refugees , guns and extremism.

Americans used us and sanctioned us and banned us even from their military academies after war with Taliban ended leaving us with insurgencies and fully loaded terrorists with the latest American weapons . While we were their ally they killed thousands in drone attacks , killed our soldiers and violated at will our sovereignty and we simply stayed quiet …..

Americans used us in Somalia and didn’t even bother saying Thankyou for saving their ass …

Billions of so called aid never benefited a single ordinary Pakistani …. It disappeared as CSF and for balance of payment support ….or eaten by politicians and generals …..

List goes on and on and yet right after we had a historic win made possible by our Chinese friends our Field idiot martial ran to America instead of siding with China in their tariff war against America ….

All this to be able to join Abraham accord and make some money and get visas …..

No matter how much I hate Modi and Indian state at least they have not folded and simply bent over without even being asked …..

Truly embarrassing and humiliating to see Pakistan capitulate like a trained dog ….

I think its the severe inferiority complex and corruption of Pakistani elite and upper classes. No matter how many times gora sahab uses Pakistan as a condom to screw over someone and then throws it away, faujis and faujeets come back for more because they did make a few dollars in the process.

Gora sahab is now temporarily using Pakistan to needle India over trade negotiations and this is considered a huge diplomatic and national achievement by elite! Lol what losers.

 

[Goenitz]

Have ever visited karachi people die here every freakin day. Death is not something to be celebrated whether a soldier or a civilian but at least soldiers get family support and more as per their ranks after their deaths (martydom) because the institution has all the resources under their belt that the whole country has to offer but what do those civilian get? Who are actually the ones who those resources belong too. And please dont tell me you dont think institution nothing to do with that i can create a chain from inception of the country till today of what they had done to this country just so they can hold on to the power and be holy.

I meant for real job. Having been successful in that means we shouldn't lose soldiers.

 

[Hayabusa]

Pakistan needs a Lee Kuan Yew type of person......to put danda up everyone's ass....for 30 years straight

Pakistan’s progress really depends on a leader who can bring about major change, and it feels like Imran Khan came closest to being that person. The country struggles with deep-rooted problems that you just don't see in disciplined and efficient places like Singapore, especially the widespread bureaucracy and a general lack of public discipline. However, that's not the only problem. Even if Lee Kwan Yew came back from the grave to lead Pakistan, he will end up with the same fate as Imran Khan. An iron fist approach with a country rule by the military is going to fail.


Hence, the biggest roadblock is the army's deep involvement in politics, which weakens any elected government and gets in the way of a true democratic system. For Pakistan to really move forward, it's crucial to build a democracy where the army stays completely out of the country's internal business.

Unfortunately, that kind of change seems unlikely to happen anytime soon. The constant security threat on the eastern border with India is always used to justify the army's powerful position. Because of this, it looks like establishing lasting peace with India is the first step that needs to happen before the military will step back from politics, allowing a stable democracy to finally take root.

 

[rafale]

That wasn't Lee Kuan Yew. He was an authoritarian but not a fauji and his vision for Singapore was development-based. Pakistanis have singularly refused to develop their country and rely on clientalism.

Lee Kuan Yew is just one example.......Chairman Mao is another.

Lee Kuan Yew was labelled as authoritarian.......he had bureaucracy and foreign policy tightly in his hands, he was practically working like a dictator....but he knew how to navigate the political spectrum.

Pakistan is too disintegrated and broken.

lates 70s to 1980s was the last time you were united. Then came Bhutto who told everyone that you are Sindhi/Balochi/Punjabi first and Pakistani Last. Military then took it a step further with pashtun jihad non sense and muhajir non-sense in Karachi. Rest is history.

Singapore, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China all grew because they didn't have the bullshit ethnic/religious franchises running the country.

For a country like Pakistan, giving more governance to locals is a suicide, which is happening.

This is the same reason India will never ever become a super power. They too are too dis-united under the foolish umbrella of ethnic diversity.

You need someone with absolute power and absolute integrity to shape up Pakistan. In current scenario only someone from fauj can do it since fauj has the biggest danda.

So we are not looking for another standard run of the mill PMA graduate. We are looking for someone who by virtue or true luck is an honest man and one days wakes up to realize that he wants a legacy that will last 100 years......not plots and foreign nationalities.

That person is not Imran Khan. Never was.

 

[Guynextdoor]

It's same story, working class works goes overseas , brings money to Pakistan builds a small home

Now choor G***o even destroyed project like Bahria town

They have been Salivating over Bahria Town projects for some time
as it was out of the reach of City authorities and Choor

I used to always give examples , look at the City , streets , housing , sh*t all of it is sh*t , then we look at Bahria Town planning , the vision and outlook. Looked fantastic, 1990 level Expat living community model in Middle East and very Spanish/American style housing. It was miracle , in middle of Sh*t someone business man developed an actual Modern City

City Politicians just paint the roads with Coal Tar but cities look like Sh*t
, garbage , dirt , pollution for past 40-50 years

Pakistaniyo ki Takaluf and Sharaft , will take them to grave
Living like Buzdil

Unnecessarily , putting all the G***do on our heads

I have been intrigued about the place. Will check out the videos.

 

[rafale]

if your information about Lee is that then you are mistaken. He was a leader and a patriot but a disciplined person.

I am not mistaken.

He was labelled a dictator by his political opponents. He had them prosecuted at the slightest whim of corruption or opposition to his own motives.

But yes you are right, he was an absolute honest person. A rare gem.

His book The Singapore Story touches on topic.

 

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[Yasser76]

Fully agree. Just having good / friendly working relationship with US is an achievement, anything else is a bonus.

100% this

At one point between 2010-2015 it look like we may actually have to confront the US military and also safeguard our nukes, the relationship was almost adverserial

Just having normal relationship is a win. Seeing Trump f**k over India nice icing in the cake

 

[Yasser76]

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I rated Kugleman in the past, he tried to attempt some sort of balance, but truth is Trump is so unpredictable analysts are pretty much out of a job here with regards to US - South Asia

 

[ACE OF HEARTS]

It's a transactional relationship, so are we about to sell Roosevelt Hotel below market price?

By the end, a new group had seen an opportunity: developers. After a turnabout in fortunes in the city, New York real-estate titans are now slobbering over the chance to tear down the Roosevelt and convert it into a luxury skyscraper.

“You’ve already got One Vanderbilt and the new JPMorgan Chase headquarters. Two more giant buildings are planned on Park and another one on Madison,” one unnamed developer told the New York Post in June. “The [Roosevelt Hotel’s] block is in the hottest commercial-development corridor in the country.”

The International Monetary Fund recently gave the country a $7 billion loan, contingent on it privatizing key holdings, including the Roosevelt and Pakistan International Airlines, by this month. Now that the migrants have all been evicted, the country is looking to secure a joint partnership agreement that will likely see the construction of high-end office space and potentially more. The site could feature a new tower of at least 1.3 million square feet. It was not ICE, or Adams, or conservative media outrage that got the migrants kicked out of the Roosevelt in the end.

It was an expiring lease, the developer class, and the world’s foremost international financial organization.

It Was at the Center of Endless Right-Wing Conspiracies. It Just Closed. Its Legacy Keeps Getting Darker.

The haunted final days of the Roosevelt Hotel.

slate.com

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

It's performative ideological purity (insanity), you see it in both hobby communists & Islamists.

One can sympathise with a position out of ethics/ideology, but if you can't be at least accept that pragmatism and the immediate interests of an individual or state come first then it's just stupidity.

no one is out here doing suicidal things just to look morally righteous especially when its the wellbeing of an entire country at stake.

Ideological purity, pragmatism and morally righteous... interesting choice of words to describe intellectual depravity and dishonesty. In essence you stand for none! It is a fluid position that changes dynamically.
For example,
"Pakistanis can even sell their mothers for a few dollars" said US lawyer during trial of Kansi.
Your moral heft will go for HOW MUCH? Instead of depravity or nature of transaction.

Moral clarity is very basic, very elementary, it isn't dynamic. Zion has bought its way through pragmatic, shortsighted and intellectually fluid... ones that curate rationale... paving a road to hell. With an ultimate stance of doing it for their own(their nation, tribe or kids)... again intellectual dishonesty, a refrain! When none asked for depravity to be fed. Gazans didn't surrender... yet intellectually dishonest already trade on their would be Graves! As a bygone... accepted and expected! Their fault! They didn't take the deal... leave their homes!

I do see this as something borrowed from hindu cultural nous and norms... where morality is fluid and pertinent to then and there... a lie and a truth carries same weight as long as it can be leveraged... and that means no moral qualms... unless caught!

No you keep it... you don't even have to call it a genocide. It is just another word in the dictionary Afterall...