Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Hendarto]

Deino I don't say "you are not good" I said you are not "God" with one "o"

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I am a little surprised.
I specifically told you that the 2024 White Paper records the number of J-20s in 2023.
As for the number of J-20s, please remember that the 2024 white paper counts the total number in 2023, so it is possible that the total number is around 300 now.
The reason is simple. 2024 is far from over, so you need the 2025 White Paper to know the number of J-20s by the end of 2024.
You should download the 2023 White Paper, where the number of J-20s is 140,
which means that even if the production does not continue to increase, the number of J-20s recorded in the 2025 White Paper will be at least 260.

Maybe production of 300 J20 but from various sources I have read via Google search not all (300) in service

 

[huanghong]

Maybe production of 300 J20 but from various sources I have read via Google search not all (300) in service

To be honest, I find it hard to understand why you are so obsessed with the number 300.
As Deino said, no one can give a completely accurate number.
It may be the lowest number of 260 that I came up with based on the 2024 white paper, it may be 272 that Deino calculated, or it may be 300 as others believe, or even more than 300.
The only thing that is certain is that the J-20 in 2024 will definitely be much higher than the 200 you think.

 

[Deino]

Deino I don't say "you are not good" I said you are not "God" with one "o"

Upps … but honestly, that’s for sure I’m not god. Thanks mate.

 

[Musings]

Stuck to the topic. Stop derailing now

 

[Deino]

@NGAD IS THE BEST & @TopGun786 … Guys if you don’t stick on topic I will issue thread bans!

 

[Hendarto]

Interesting observation if the production rate of more than 100 continues, J-20 will outnumber F-35 in 2027

https://twitter.com/x/status/1836033518645792824

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Interesting observation if the production rate of more than 100 continues, J-20 will outnumber F-35 in 2027

https://twitter.com/x/status/1836033518645792824

How much current production rate of J20?

 

[Yommie]

How much current production rate of J20?

Should be about 50 a year.

 

[Hendarto]

Should be about 50 a year.

Nope, 50 was years ago like 2021,2022? it is rumored to be 100 for 2024 last year they delivered 75. Next year should be 120

 

[Nuffle]

Interesting observation if the production rate of more than 100 continues, J-20 will outnumber F-35 in 2027

https://twitter.com/x/status/1836033518645792824

Currently, there are: 631 units
3 US Navy F-35C squadrons - 68 units
7 USMC F-35B squadrons - 148 units
2 USMC F-35C squadrons - 15 units
18 USAF F-35A squadrons - 400 units

USAF: 375 units
Air Combat Command (ACC)
5 F-35A squadrons

Pacific Air Forces (PACAF)
2 F-35A squadrons

USAFE-AFAFRICA
2 F-35A squadrons

Air Education and Training Command
6 F-35A squadrons

Air National Guard: 25 units
3 F-35A squadrons

The J-20 to reach the operational rate of the current F-35 with this current production of 100 units, putting according to sources something between 320-350 J-20 units in active service in 2024, the J-20 would only reach the numbers of the current F-35 in 2027.

By 2027, the US may already have 781-871 F-35s in active service.

 

[Hendarto]

Currently, there are: 631 units
3 US Navy F-35C squadrons - 68 units
7 USMC F-35B squadrons - 148 units
2 USMC F-35C squadrons - 15 units
18 USAF F-35A squadrons - 400 units

USAF: 375 units
Air Combat Command (ACC)
5 F-35A squadrons

Pacific Air Forces (PACAF)
2 F-35A squadrons

USAFE-AFAFRICA
2 F-35A squadrons

Air Education and Training Command
6 F-35A squadrons

Air National Guard: 25 units
3 F-35A squadrons

The J-20 to reach the operational rate of the current F-35 with this current production of 100 units, putting according to sources something between 320-350 J-20 units in active service in 2024, the J-20 would only reach the numbers of the current F-35 in 2027.

By 2027, the US may already have 781-871 F-35s in active service.

Nope, the production rate increases with every year for 2025 it will 120. Well by then J -35 will be in production as well.

F-35 is not combat-ready as they wait for the software update coupled with availability of 50% You get a lot less operational F-35. They are slow and not so maneuverable as well. So you are talking about 500 combat ready by then

The F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter jets are not yet ready for combat due to issues with the Technology Refresh 3 (TR-3) software update:

• Software update delays
  The TR-3 software update was originally scheduled for release in April 2023, but has been delayed multiple times.
  
  
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• Interim version of TR-3
  The Pentagon may accept jets with an interim version of TR-3 software later in 2024, but these jets will not be fully combat-ready.
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• Combat readiness delayed to 2025
  The first F-35s with the full TR-3 software update will not be ready for combat until 2025.
  
  
  

 

[Deino]

Nope, 50 was years ago like 2021,2022? it is rumored to be 100 for 2024 last year they delivered 75. Next year should be 120

That fit's to my info too, the capacity was 100 by the end of 2024/beginning of 2024, but they did not deliver 100 in 2024. However the question is, is the capacity again raised to 120 per year, since CAC should be close to changing over to J-20A in about two years?

 

[Vi-va]

Currently, there are: 631 units
3 US Navy F-35C squadrons - 68 units
7 USMC F-35B squadrons - 148 units
2 USMC F-35C squadrons - 15 units
18 USAF F-35A squadrons - 400 units

USAF: 375 units
Air Combat Command (ACC)
5 F-35A squadrons

Pacific Air Forces (PACAF)
2 F-35A squadrons

USAFE-AFAFRICA
2 F-35A squadrons

Air Education and Training Command
6 F-35A squadrons

Air National Guard: 25 units
3 F-35A squadrons

The J-20 to reach the operational rate of the current F-35 with this current production of 100 units, putting according to sources something between 320-350 J-20 units in active service in 2024, the J-20 would only reach the numbers of the current F-35 in 2027.

By 2027, the US may already have 781-871 F-35s in active service.

What‘s your point?

Those F-35 were deployed worldwide. And you do know F-35 is fat and slow. It was designed mainly for attack, I would say, while the J-20 is primarily a fighter.

China is fighting for our security, J-20 is deployed at home, which is much easier to operate and maintain, while F-35 has to be forward deployed. I am not sure how long those bases and airfields within China's attack range can survive.

 

[Hendarto]

That fit's to my info too, the capacity was 100 by the end of 2024/beginning of 2024, but they did not deliver 100 in 2024. However the question is, is the capacity again raised to 120 per year, since CAC should be close to changing over to J-20A in about two years?

Well it is still September they still have 3 months to finish their production quota