China Can Beat the U.S. Air Force in a War

[Beijingwalker]

Check out Ukraine war, it's all about attrition, US is no match for China in mass manufacturing and nationwide mobilization.

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[j_hungary]

Yah Russia is pressure fed, we got this much...divide by number of units, this is how much you will have to make do with.....and have to trust us bro on the paper it even exists and works as it should (which it often doesn't

Its not end-requirement driven like west..... thats also much more expensive ofc too, but its extremely war potent when required.

I mean you know the reforger exercises done in late cold war (I forget if it was you I chatted about them with before)....these put capabilities to near realisation to make sure everything is tic tac toe....this was before iraq and afg wars too. These are of another level compared to what Russia and PRC, though PRC has now done large investments over time with growing resources it has.

So with China (PRC) we can only wait till next schrodinger cat reveal....all along its total military org domain on this stuff....we cannot assume they are at Russian level of the issue (like what plagued them in 1979, ironically due to USSR tieing up most of their forces up north) somewhere in between Russia and NATO I think but hard to say where exactly.

In the interim till that time....a lot of NATO type equivalencies (individual tech assets, tech tree capacity etc) will be broadcast to create aura by the PRC too, to hide the gooey parts that are not so great still.

Till then everyone has to make best of what they can see and plan for the risks from PRC.

I don't think I have ever talked about reforger here, I did talk about red flag or Talisman Sabre in the old forum, so I think you were talking to someone else.

The thing about reforger and NATO in general is that this is how we learn to fight together, it's really pointless if you are having a big blob of troop but come under 10 different jurisdictions, then you don't have a single command-able troop, instead you have 10 separate unit each operate on their own, and that you can easily divide them and defeat them in detail.

The thing about a potential US and China war is, it's never going to be just USA against China, nobody will fight in a war unless you know you have absolute advantage unless you are forced to (like you are being attacked) which mean there are virtually no reason for US to start any war alone if they cannot get their allies onboard, and if they can, then China will not be just facing the might of the US. But a combine might of a group of country headed by the US. And that's how we get you. Because we can distribute direct and indirect capability to countries that may not even be directly involved in that war. But for our opponent they would need to put their effort in overdrive in order to fight us.

For China. The strength of their military is not going to be judged by the face value alone, which make these type of articles pointless to begin with.

 

[ziaulislam]

IF US fight China near China, it just can't win. if it couldn't win a war in Korea 70 years ago when China basically had nothing, what makes you believe they can win now?

You need understand
We are talking about usaf vs plaaf

Not a guerilla war fare
USA couldn't win from Afghanistan does that mean afghan air force can beat usaaf

 

[ziaulislam]

This is simple math
USA can deploy all its assets that's not a problem due to Japan and Korea

Plaaf need equal amount of j20/f345 at minimum just to jump Start thai discussion

 

[Beijingwalker]

You need understand
We are talking about usaf vs plaaf

Not a guerilla war fare
USA couldn't win from Afghanistan does that mean afghan air force can beat usaaf

If war breaks out near China's coast, Chinese planes can take off from landbased air strips and how many plane US can commit to fight China? they don't have to deploy them in Europe, in the middle east? US is about global domination, China is not.

 

[Beijingwalker]

This is simple math
USA can deploy all its assets that's not a problem due to Japan and Korea

Plaaf need equal amount of j20/f345 at minimum just to jump Start thai discussion

If Japan and south Korea joined the war, they will put the very existence at risk, all their immediate neighbors China, North Korea and Russia are nuclear armed. Korea and Japan won't dare to drag themselves in this war.

 

[GoMig-21]

I mean you have to look at what are the USAF assets in Japan and Korea to begin with, and their logistical + support capacities per squadron etc. Over time US is looking to add philippines to this mix. It presents a serious conventional deterrence if you look at the reach and ranges to the geography thats baked in for China in eastern sea board.

True, the US does have those two, possibly three even 4 options if you include Guam. Question becomes how receptive would either Japan or S. Korea be with allowing the US to launch any operations from their territory against China? The mere thought of North Korea seizing the opportunity with China's help I would think would make S. Korea run for the hills.

And Japan would have to contend with China also but quite possibly Russia. Not sure if Putin would stretch himself on two fronts, but he does owe Xi Jinping a big favor. It's undoubtedly a fascinating scenario. And we thought WWIII's birthplace would be Europe & Russia or the Middle East! This would be on a whole other level when you factor the level of technology that would be involved.

China should 'worry' about Taiwan 2027 timeline, J-20 is just 'OK' fighter: PACAF chief - Breaking Defense

“China has a much more difficult military problem from the standpoint of, they have to accomplish one of the most difficult military events that you would have to do," said Gen. Kenneth Wilsbach. “If I was them, I'd be worried. If I was a [Chinese] military commander, I'd be worried about 2027.”

breakingdefense.com

While the J-20 is certainly more capable than the Su-57, the US Air Force isn’t really all that concerned about the J-20.

LOL who is this General Kenneth Wilsbach lol. He sounds like a modern-day Norman Schwartzkopf except not even half as disciplined! Dude is like completely dissing the J-20 dang. Not a good thing, but I guess it's all part of the mental gymnastics two super-powers need to play. And anyone who would think that between the F-22 and F-35 -- the former's lower numbers notwithstanding -- that the USAF is to be taken lightly, they must be in the twilight zone high on crack.

At the same time, China is not to be taken lightly like this Wilsbach fella is doing.
The J-20 is not the only dragon China has.

Now add in the US Navy with its fleet of F/A-18 Super Hornets, EA-18G Growlers and the navy's electronic warfare Godzilla Mammoth Behemoth capabilities which people don't realize actually are involved with the USAF's F-15 & F-16s in a major overlap of a well-oiled network-centric machine.

But what I wanna know is why the hell are you dissing the mighty Fellon Su-57? BTW I hate that friggin name shame on NATO bunch of donkeys what a blatant insult! Anyway, don't tell me you're falling for the bogus anti-Russian progadanabanda out there?

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Hey what's up with the narrator? Is that Chinese IA? LOL! That dude sounds like a full US breed military correspondent from the 1970's cold war era loool. Classic Chinese caracara.

BTW, what is exactly this major J-20 upgrade starting soon?

 

[gambit]

He quickly picks the bottle of water. I asked him why and his reply was "you need water to live mate" Then I told him, this is why Russia not doing very great in Ukraine. And he asked "water?"

Battle is all about experience, things that you process that make you more adaptive to the environment.

Going back to the apple vs water bottle question. Why apple is the better choice you may ask? From a guy who had done long range combat patrol before, apple don't rattle. That's why

Us AF guys, we were told to use the sponge in our piddlepacks. In SERE, sloshing water is a no-no, so squeeze as much piss out of the sponge as possible, then use the sponge to soak up as much wild water as we can find.

The PLAAF can beat the USAF in a fight? Kinda like a teenager wanking off to an issue of Playboy.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Not a guerilla war fare
USA couldn't win from Afghanistan does that mean afghan air force can beat usaaf

You think Korean war was guerilla warfare?

 

[Beijingwalker]

The PLAAF can beat the USAF in a fight? Kinda like a teenager wanking off to an issue of Playboy.

You think your words carry more weight than him? when will we see your article published?

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[gambit]

But what I wanna know is why the hell are you dissing the mighty Fellon Su-57? BTW I hate that friggin name shame on NATO bunch of donkeys what a blatant insult!

Because there is not enough of them to make even a tactical difference, let alone a strategic difference.

 

[GoMig-21]

Because there is not enough of them to make even a tactical difference, let alone a strategic difference.

Fair enough and that's valid. I thought he might've been referring to its capabilities. But then again, that might be exactly what he is saying contrary to your more reasonable POV.

 

[gambit]

China is collapsing, we know that from the western and Indian media for at least 4 decades, so what's new?

Your CPC is walking, not yet running, towards nationalizing the real estate industry. We all seen the effects of that.

 

[gambit]

Fair enough and that's valid. I thought he might've been referring to its capabilities. But then again, that might be exactly what he is saying contrary to your more reasonable POV.

Currently, of all potential situations where the Su-57 can erase doubts, it is Ukraine...But...???

 

[Beijingwalker]

Your CPC is walking, not yet running, towards nationalizing the real estate industry. We all seen the effects of that.

lol, sure, China is collapsing, as always.