China hits back at Canada with fresh agriculture tariffs

you still don’t understand.
Trump is said impose martial law.
That will give him the authority to wage domestic and foreign war.

he will nuke Iran without a blink.
Should he force Vietnam to choose side, then we will be drawn into a global thermonuclear war.
I can tell you China is prepared even for that. Imposing martial law in US doesn't concern China.

"Recently, foreign media dug up Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Agreement, making countries around the world more aware of Trump’s true intention in launching a tariff war.

The Mar-a-Lago Agreement can be summarized into three major contents:
The first is the restructuring and replacement of U.S. debt: using reciprocal tariffs as a weapon to force countries to replace the U.S. debt they have with 100-year interest-free long-term U.S. government bonds.
To put it bluntly, it means defaulting on U.S. debt, which is what he once said, that all countries should pay a large sum of money to the United States.

The second is the devaluation of the US dollar and the revaluation of exchange rates: some people call this part the 2.0 version of the Plaza Accord.
In 1985, the United States improved its competitiveness by depreciating the dollar and appreciating the Japanese currency, while Japan's bubble economy burst and its economy has not recovered since then.
The president of the United States at that time was Reagan, and it was with the Plaza Accord that Reagan brought down the Japanese economy.
Trump has always emphasized that he is learning from Reagan. This is what he learned. The only difference is that this time he wants to defeat China, Japan and the European Union, so he is destined to fail.

The third is the reconstruction of tariffs and trade order: This is the trade war that everyone is seeing now. I have said that Trump’s tariffs are both a goal and a means.
The purpose is to increase fiscal revenue, reduce trade deficits, and bring manufacturing back to the United States.
The means are to intimidate and threaten various countries, and defeat them one by one through bilateral negotiations.
However, can tariff policies alone achieve so many goals?
Coupled with China's strong resistance, the paper tiger was broken.

Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Agreement is too ambitious. Can he accomplish the above three goals solely based on his leadership, the capabilities of his staff, and the comprehensive national strength of the United States?
But it ended up ruining the US economy and ended up with something less than what was intended.
It really proved what Krugman said, a clown, with a third-rate circus, put on a cheesy farce."
 
I have not posted here for while but got the urge to do so today because I see a very devastating scenerio emerging for China, BRICS and rest of the World. I hope the Chinese members take note of this and perhaps talk to their Party leaders to escalate this.

1- The US tariffs are nothing but deliberate US plan to decouple from China even if it means extremely tough times for Americans and the US economy. In saying this, for many years US has been forcing overseas companies to relocate to US. More recently, US forced Taiwanese TSMC to relocate its production to the US. The plan is that in case of war with China, The US will destroy Taiwanese chip making factories. Basically use scorched earth tactics.

2- US is preparing for a war with China both conventional and nonconventional. US wants to deeply weaken China and the emerging World order. In preparation for this war, US is decoupling from its primary enemy China. It has already decoupled from Russia.

3- US plans to attack Chinese merchant shipping and cripple it. For this purpose it has reorganised and retrained Marine force into an anti-shipping force. US talk of taking over Greenland, Panama canal, etc is exactly for this purpose.

4- US is actively engaged in hybrid wars within Asia, Africa and other continents specifically targetting Belt and Road projects. Perfect example of this is in Baluchistan where it is the US and not India who are attacking Chinese and the infrastructure they are building. US is fighting hybrid wars against China in Mynamar. It toppled Govt in BD as it was Pro-China. It wants to attack Iran next. Once Iran is taken care of, the next in line are the corrupt Generals of Pakistan. Surrounded by hostile Iran, A-stan, India - Pakistan won't surive attacks from all sides.

5- US is greatly expanding its military presence in Asia Pacific region.

6- Through all this China is NOT responding to the US attacks in similar fashion. This Chinese policy will eventually be the downfall for the Chinese and destruction of their economy and their country. If China wants to save itself, it needs to GO ON THE OFFENSIVE RIGHT NOW ! Don't wait for US to dictate terms, go on the offensive and take Taiwan. China needs to increase its presence in Pacific. China needs to decisively take care of India as India is part of QUAD and it purpose is to serve as a launching pad against China from the South.
China needs to greatly increase its military support of Russia. I can actually see Russia going deeper in Ukraine very quickly. Till now, Russia has been fighting a Proxy War impsed on it by the US. A large number of NATO troops disguised as Ukrainains have been killed in Ukraine.

All in all, we are heading towards some very dangerous times ahead.
 
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I don’t think you understand the situation.

Xi does not want to de escalate. China has already made up its mind. It’s sacrificing its trade with the US for greater goals like liberating itself from the US financial system and then taking down the US to become the top superpower.

Do you understand what happened? Trump created a trap for himself and antagonized the entire world. This created the perfect opportunity for China to aggressively take down the US while looking like it is just defending itself.

It sucks to be stuck in the US right now but unfortunately this is the situation. There won’t be a deal. Relations between China and the US won’t ever be the same again.

It's just a matter of time before China decides to stop trading with USA.

There will be no ship destinations to USA.

This is Trump want anyway.

I hope anyone, including USA citizens should not blame China on this one.
 
I can tell you China is prepared even for that. Imposing martial law in US doesn't concern China.

"Recently, foreign media dug up Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Agreement, making countries around the world more aware of Trump’s true intention in launching a tariff war.

The Mar-a-Lago Agreement can be summarized into three major contents:
The first is the restructuring and replacement of U.S. debt: using reciprocal tariffs as a weapon to force countries to replace the U.S. debt they have with 100-year interest-free long-term U.S. government bonds.
To put it bluntly, it means defaulting on U.S. debt, which is what he once said, that all countries should pay a large sum of money to the United States.

The second is the devaluation of the US dollar and the revaluation of exchange rates: some people call this part the 2.0 version of the Plaza Accord.
In 1985, the United States improved its competitiveness by depreciating the dollar and appreciating the Japanese currency, while Japan's bubble economy burst and its economy has not recovered since then.
The president of the United States at that time was Reagan, and it was with the Plaza Accord that Reagan brought down the Japanese economy.
Trump has always emphasized that he is learning from Reagan. This is what he learned. The only difference is that this time he wants to defeat China, Japan and the European Union, so he is destined to fail.

The third is the reconstruction of tariffs and trade order: This is the trade war that everyone is seeing now. I have said that Trump’s tariffs are both a goal and a means.
The purpose is to increase fiscal revenue, reduce trade deficits, and bring manufacturing back to the United States.
The means are to intimidate and threaten various countries, and defeat them one by one through bilateral negotiations.
However, can tariff policies alone achieve so many goals?
Coupled with China's strong resistance, the paper tiger was broken.

Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Agreement is too ambitious. Can he accomplish the above three goals solely based on his leadership, the capabilities of his staff, and the comprehensive national strength of the United States?
But it ended up ruining the US economy and ended up with something less than what was intended.
It really proved what Krugman said, a clown, with a third-rate circus, put on a cheesy farce."
I admire your courage. You rather risk a nuclear war than make a phone call.
my concern is just we Vietnam will be drawn into the war.
I don’t know. it makes no sense because no country will buy this 100y interest free bonds. that’s robbery. $1 today will be $0.001 worth in 100y.
unless Trump puts a gun on those buyers. then they have no choice.
 
I admire your courage. You rather risk a nuclear war than make a phone call.
my concern is just we Vietnam will be drawn into the war.
I don’t know. it makes no sense because no country will buy this 100y interest free bonds. that’s robbery. $1 today will be $0.001 worth in 100y.
unless Trump puts a gun on those buyers. then they have no choice.
Its up to Trump to pull the trigger. If he wants peace, he should not blackmail and disrespect other, calling him doesnt solve the problem. Yeah, he is trying to put a gun on all the countries to buy their trash 100 yr bonds, his main targets are China and Japan to make sense to cover his debts. But, China will have none of his greedy wishes.
 
I have not posted here for while but got the urge to do so today because I see a very devastating scenerio emerging for China, BRICS and rest of the World. I hope the Chinese members take note of this and perhaps talk to their Party leaders to escalate this.

1- The US tariffs are nothing but deliberate US plan to decouple from China even if it means extremely tough times for Americans and the US economy. In saying this, for many years US has been forcing overseas companies to relocate to US. More recently, US forced Taiwanese TSMC to relocate its production to the US. The plan is that in case of war with China, The US will destroy Taiwanese chip making factories. Basically use scorched earth tactics.

2- US is preparing for a war with China both conventional and nonconventional. US wants to deeply weaken China and the emerging World order. In preparation for this war, US is decoupling from its primary enemy China. It has already decoupled from Russia.

3- US plans to attack Chinese merchant shipping and cripple it. For this purpose it has reorganised and retrained Marine force into an anti-shipping force. US talk of taking over Greenland, Panama canal, etc is exactly for this purpose.

4- US is actively engaged in hybrid wars within Asia, Africa and other continents specifically targetting Belt and Road projects. Perfect example of this is in Baluchistan where it is the US and not India who are attacking Chinese and the infrastructure they are building. US is fighting hybrid wars against China in Mynamar. It toppled Govt in BD as it was Pro-China. It wants to attack Iran next. Once Iran is taken care of, the next in line are the corrupt Generals of Pakistan. Surrounded by hostile Iran, A-stan, India - Pakistan won't surive attacks from all sides.

5- US is greatly expanding its military presence in Asia Pacific region.

6- Through all this China is NOT responding to the US attacks in similar fashion. This Chinese policy will eventually be the downfall for the Chinese and destruction of their economy and their country. If China wants to save itself, it needs to GO ON THE OFFENSIVE RIGHT NOW ! Don't wait for US to dictate terms, go on the offensive and take Taiwan. China needs to increase its presence in Pacific. China needs to decisively take care of India as India is part of QUAD and it purpose is to serve as a launching pad against China from the South.
China needs to greatly increase its military support of Russia. I can actually see Russia going deeper in Ukraine very quickly. Till now, Russia has been fighting a Proxy War impsed on it by the US. A large number of NATO troops disguised as Ukrainains have been killed in Ukraine.

All in all, we are heading towards some very dangerous times ahead.
China is also actively looking to totally decouple from th US now becus of the the trade and tech wars. Until China gets rid of US bonds and assests, then there will be no hold back on China to take back Taiwan. Yeah, US is provoking China and Russia in the world, but US economy just might buckle before our eyes.
 
I admire your courage. You rather risk a nuclear war than make a phone call.
my concern is just we Vietnam will be drawn into the war.
I don’t know. it makes no sense because no country will buy this 100y interest free bonds. that’s robbery. $1 today will be $0.001 worth in 100y.
unless Trump puts a gun on those buyers. then they have no choice.
Xi and Trump will eventually speak on the phone. But what will that resolve?

China isn't interested in buying more bonds, it isn't interested in continuing to be beholden to the dollar system. The US won't stop trying to sabotage China's prosperity.

So there isn't really any common ground.
 
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Bessent's Grand Strategy: Use Tariff Negotiations To Isolate China From The Rest Of The World​


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As the WSJ reports, the Trump admin plans to use ongoing tariff negotiations to pressure U.S. trading partners to limit their dealings with China, according to people with knowledge of the conversations.

The idea, as we laid out in not so many words, is to extract commitments from U.S. trading partners to isolate China’s economy in exchange for reductions in trade and tariff barriers imposed by the White House. US officials plan to use negotiations with more than 70 nations to ask them to disallow China to ship goods through their countries (the so-called "transshipment" loophole), prevent Chinese firms from locating in their territories to avoid U.S. tariffs, and not absorb China’s cheap industrial goods into their economies.

Those measures are meant to put a final stake in China’s already sinking economy (which somewhat ironically got a boost in the first quarter as its export partners front-loaded purchased goods ahead of the tariff price surge which is already in place and which will put a deep freeze on China's manufacturing empire) and force Beijing to the negotiating table with less leverage ahead of potential talks between Trump and President Xi Jinping. The exact demands could vary widely by nation, given their degree of involvement with the Chinese economy.

 
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Bessent's Grand Strategy: Use Tariff Negotiations To Isolate China From The Rest Of The World​


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As the WSJ reports, the Trump admin plans to use ongoing tariff negotiations to pressure U.S. trading partners to limit their dealings with China, according to people with knowledge of the conversations.

The idea, as we laid out in not so many words, is to extract commitments from U.S. trading partners to isolate China’s economy in exchange for reductions in trade and tariff barriers imposed by the White House. US officials plan to use negotiations with more than 70 nations to ask them to disallow China to ship goods through their countries (the so-called "transshipment" loophole), prevent Chinese firms from locating in their territories to avoid U.S. tariffs, and not absorb China’s cheap industrial goods into their economies.

Those measures are meant to put a final stake in China’s already sinking economy (which somewhat ironically got a boost in the first quarter as its export partners front-loaded purchased goods ahead of the tariff price surge which is already in place and which will put a deep freeze on China's manufacturing empire) and force Beijing to the negotiating table with less leverage ahead of potential talks between Trump and President Xi Jinping. The exact demands could vary widely by nation, given their degree of involvement with the Chinese economy.


You think all those countries will obey US to cut their business with China ? EU already said no, good luck. By the way, according to many Americans, China already has been collapsing for the last 40 years, yes, China's GDP growth rate is only 5.4% and US GDP growth rate is expected to be lower than -2.0% for the first quarter of 2025. But, China can live without trading with the US in the future.
 
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Singapore PM says US-China trade war pain will be felt everywhere​

By Reuters
April 16, 2025

SINGAPORE, April 16 (Reuters) - Singapore Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said on Wednesday there was little comfort in the U.S. postponing most of its proposed "reciprocal" tariffs, saying the changes had already created great uncertainty around the world.

Wong also said the trade war between the U.S. and China would see trading between the countries grind to a halt, and "the pain will be felt not just by them but by countries everywhere."

While President Donald Trump has postponed the so-called reciprocal tariffs until July, Wong noted the U.S. was still imposing a 10% baseline tariff. "No company can comfortably plan long-term investments while knowing that the tariff rates could be changed at a moment's notice," he said, adding the trade war would accelerate the decoupling of the U.S. and Chinese economies.

"What we are witnessing is the remaking of the global economy – not as one integrated system, but as increasingly bifurcated ecosystems centered around the U.S. and China."

 
I admire your courage. You rather risk a nuclear war than make a phone call.
It's not my opinion, it's China's stated national policy regarding US if you are ever familiar with Chinese foreign ministry position lately.
 
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HK stocks to face pressure if China concept stocks forced to delist from US, analysts warn​


The local stock market could face considerable pressure if China concept stocks were forced to delist from the US, analysts warned, following reports that the Trump Administration might remove all the Chinese companies from American stock exchanges.

Many of the delisted Chinese stocks would rush to list in Hong Kong, which could drain substantial market funds from the local bourse, analysts said. Also, their valuation would drop significantly should there be a massive selloff following a forced delisting, they noted.

There were 286 China concept stocks listed on the US exchanges with a total market capitalization of US$1.1 trillion (HK$8.58 trillion) as of March 7, according to a report by the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission.

US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has indicated that the decision to delist these stocks would ultimately lie with US President Donald Trump.

 
The evilest religion on earth.

The West created so many evil religions on Earth.

Falun Gong in China, weird Christian cults in South Korea, to extremist in Middle East.
Don't forget Zionism, another nightmare whities given to the world and its peace.
 
I have not posted here for while but got the urge to do so today because I see a very devastating scenerio emerging for China, BRICS and rest of the World. I hope the Chinese members take note of this and perhaps talk to their Party leaders to escalate this.

1- The US tariffs are nothing but deliberate US plan to decouple from China even if it means extremely tough times for Americans and the US economy. In saying this, for many years US has been forcing overseas companies to relocate to US. More recently, US forced Taiwanese TSMC to relocate its production to the US. The plan is that in case of war with China, The US will destroy Taiwanese chip making factories. Basically use scorched earth tactics.

2- US is preparing for a war with China both conventional and nonconventional. US wants to deeply weaken China and the emerging World order. In preparation for this war, US is decoupling from its primary enemy China. It has already decoupled from Russia.

3- US plans to attack Chinese merchant shipping and cripple it. For this purpose it has reorganised and retrained Marine force into an anti-shipping force. US talk of taking over Greenland, Panama canal, etc is exactly for this purpose.

4- US is actively engaged in hybrid wars within Asia, Africa and other continents specifically targetting Belt and Road projects. Perfect example of this is in Baluchistan where it is the US and not India who are attacking Chinese and the infrastructure they are building. US is fighting hybrid wars against China in Mynamar. It toppled Govt in BD as it was Pro-China. It wants to attack Iran next. Once Iran is taken care of, the next in line are the corrupt Generals of Pakistan. Surrounded by hostile Iran, A-stan, India - Pakistan won't surive attacks from all sides.

5- US is greatly expanding its military presence in Asia Pacific region.

6- Through all this China is NOT responding to the US attacks in similar fashion. This Chinese policy will eventually be the downfall for the Chinese and destruction of their economy and their country. If China wants to save itself, it needs to GO ON THE OFFENSIVE RIGHT NOW ! Don't wait for US to dictate terms, go on the offensive and take Taiwan. China needs to increase its presence in Pacific. China needs to decisively take care of India as India is part of QUAD and it purpose is to serve as a launching pad against China from the South.
China needs to greatly increase its military support of Russia. I can actually see Russia going deeper in Ukraine very quickly. Till now, Russia has been fighting a Proxy War impsed on it by the US. A large number of NATO troops disguised as Ukrainains have been killed in Ukraine.

All in all, we are heading towards some very dangerous times ahead.

You're reading too much into it... this is sort of a comeuppance. Henceforth just playing catch up, no grand scheme. Orange had been yapping tariffs since who knows when and now when he flipped the switch all got yippy!!!

US has to run deficits, needs them funded and he gave an almighty shock to those who buy treasuries.
He's been looking to come out of that hole ever since... who knows gave Iran a reprieve as well.
 

Why Trump Will Lose His Trade War

His people don’t know what they’re doing or what they want​

Paul Krugman
Apr 16, 2025


Scenes from the trade war:
  • In response to Donald Trump’s huge tariffs on Chinese exports, China’s government has suspended exports of rare earth minerals and magnets, both critical to many modern industries and the military
  • Trade talks between the United States and the European Union appear to have gone nowhere, with Maros Sefcovic, the EU’s top trade official, reportedly having “struggled to determine America’s aims.”
In other words, the Chinese, unlike the Trump administration, understand what trade and trade wars are about. And the Trumpers, in addition to not knowing what they’re doing, don’t even know what they want.

Here’s what Trump and his sycophants don’t understand about international trade: It’s not about what you can sell, it’s about what you can buy.

Think for a minute about the finances of individuals. Why do people work? Not to be able to boast that they ran trade surpluses with their employers — “Hey, they paid me a lot, and I hardly bought anything from them.” No, people sell their labor so that they can afford to buy stuff.

The same is true for countries. Importing what you want — being able to get stuff from other countries — is the purpose of international trade. Exporting — sending stuff to other countries — is something we do so we can pay for imports.

OK, in practice there’s a bit more to the story, as I’ll explain below, but the complications don’t change the fundamental proposition that the benefits from international trade basically come from being able to import goods that would be expensive or impossible to produce at home. Think hydroelectric power from Canada.

This fundamental reality explains why serious analyses of Trump’s trade war with China often conclude that China, not America, has the upper hand.

Yesterday the Financial Times had a mostly good writeup of the stakes, which pointed out that US exports to China are “heavily focused on agriculture.” The FT said that these goods are “low value-added,” which I’m not sure is true — U.S. farming is highly productive and highly capital-intensive. But what matters in a trade war is the fact that China can fairly easily find other agricultural suppliers, buying soybeans from Brazil instead of Iowa.

By contrast, the United States will have a hard time replacing many of the goods it imports from China. Furthermore, many of the goods we buy from China are industrial inputs rather than consumer goods.

So Trump has started a trade war that will disrupt our own supply chains. Remember Covid and its immediate aftermath? Remember how shortages spread through the economy and fueled inflation? Those days are about to come back, inflicting especially large damage on the manufacturing sector Trump claims he will revive.

Is the U.S. economy at China’s mercy? No. America remains a highly productive nation that could cope with even severe economic shocks if it had smart, clear-headed leadership. But we don’t.

True, today’s Wall Street Journal has an article with the headline “U.S. Plans to Use Trade Negotiations to Isolate China.” So you might think that there’s an actual strategy out there. But I don’t believe it, for four reasons.

First, this story was clearly leaked by Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, or people close to him. In a normal administration this kind of supposedly inside scoop would offer valuable insights into the policy process. But one thing that’s clear about Trump tariffs is that there is no policy process. Individual officials — Bessent, Peter Navarro, Howard Lutnick — keep floating policy ideas in public, hoping that putting them out there will somehow create facts. But a day or two later another official will go on TV, or Trump will post something on Truth Social, completely contradicting what the last official said.

So what we’re hearing about Bessent isn’t really a scoop about Trump policy, it’s almost surely an attempt by Bessent to influence policy. And there’s no reason to believe that he’s actually in charge.

Second, even if U.S. negotiators are trying to cut deals with other countries that would isolate China, they will be unlikely to succeed because Trump has lost all credibility. After all, you can’t make deals with other countries unless foreign governments believe that you will honor the agreements you make. Trump has already destroyed U.S. credibility on that front, ripping up all our existing trade agreements, then making wild changes in his own tariffs every few days.

Third, even if Trump’s promises were credible, why would a European government want to join America’s trade war with China, destroying its own supply chains? If the argument is that it’s worth paying the cost of ruined supply chains because that will protect you from Trump’s tariffs, who trusts Trump not to reimpose punitive tariffs on our supposed allies the next time he thinks they’re looking at him funny?

Fourth, the Trump administration is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

To the extent that there’s a real plan to confront China, it appears to center on reducing China’s ability to sell abroad. It’s true that this will be painful for China’s export sector. As I said, my flat statement that trade is about imports, not exports, needs some qualification because the short-term interests of exporters can’t be ignored. But China can cope with lost exports by aiding affected industries, the same way Trump funneled money to farmers hurt by his first trade war. It can also offset any loss of export jobs by stimulating domestic demand. Moreover, Xi and the Chinese Communist Party don’t face elections.

So while China can manage the loss of exports in various ways, it will be much harder for America to cope with the loss of crucial inputs produced in China.

The overall point is that even relatively sophisticated Trumpers like Bessent are still thinking in terms of Chinese access to the markets of the United States and our imagined trade war allies, when the real issue now is whether China can strangle the U.S. economy by disrupting our supply chains.

PS: I know that I’m mixing metaphors here — China has brought a gun that is strangling us by cutting our supply chains. But you get my point.

Furthermore, America’s ability to fight a trade war is severely damaged by our descent into authoritarian rule. A few months ago other advanced countries might have been inclined to take our side because of shared democratic values. Now we’ve become a country whose government claims the right to kidnap people whenever it likes and ship them to foreign gulags. Who wants to be allied with such a government? Who will trust such a government to keep its word on anything ?


Of course, the fact that the collapse of democracy will contribute to our defeat in the trade war isn’t the main reason to be horrified at where we are. Losing real GDP is bad, but it’s much less important than losing our soul. As it happens, however, we seem to be on track to do both.


 

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