China’s naval supremacy: A new reality for the U.S.

[FHN]

Don't people learn about ospreys accidents those tilt rotors are not safe to fly. And they are expensive to maintain. China goal is to take over Taiwan there are many ways to transport troops lol china has plenty of cargo ships and commercial vessels. Y-20 is a better transport option. Im sorry but tilt rotor don't make much sense at all. Unless u wanna use them somewhere far far away adventure like Iraq Syria Lebanon lol doing some sort of operation against Osama bin laden type . Come on now

 

[FuturePAF]

Don't people learn about ospreys accidents those tilt rotors are not safe to fly. And they are expensive to maintain. China goal is to take over Taiwan there are many ways to transport troops lol china has plenty of cargo ships and commercial vessels. Y-20 is a better transport option. Im sorry but tilt rotor don't make much sense at all. Unless u wanna use them somewhere far far away adventure like Iraq Syria Lebanon lol

Tilt rotors are niche platforms. In china’s case, far away (Indian Ocean), and not for transport but special missions from “small” flight decks; such as destroyers. A tilt rotor can higher, faster, and stay up for longer. A capability almost to the level of a carrier based AEW, and giving the PLAN supremacy, as the thread title claims.

P.s. it could be that the PLAN will just build more Type 076, and send them with each major surface task force. Basing fixed wing AEW on them. PLAN doctrine, especially in far seas, will therefore have a prominent role for the Type 076, the way the USN doctrine is based around the carriers. In the US, its is said the president asks “where are the carriers?”. It could be in the future the Chinese leader will ask “where are the Type 076s?”, should the PLAN be called upon to support Chinese interests abroad.

This is probably the more likely scenario, as the type 076 is nearly finished its build and the fixed wing AEW is flying.

 

[FHN]

Tilt rotors are niche platforms. In china’s case, far away (Indian Ocean), and not for transport but special missions from “small” flight decks; such as destroyers. A tilt rotor can higher, faster, and stay up for longer.

Ok but the type 055 can carry 2 helicopter hangers. Not one but two bro u can't trade for a tilt rotor. I will take 2 helicopters than a tilt rotor anyday. I see your case tho but PLAN wants to stick with one platform

 

[FuturePAF]

Considering the progress on Emals technology for the PLAN, any possibility China would go back and install a single EMALS on each of its two ski jump carriers so the ship can carry fixed wing awacs? Launching most everything else by ski jump; but reserving the Emals for heavy strike missions by J-15s as well as special mission aircraft like the AWACS.

 

[FHN]

Considering the progress on Emals technology for the PLAN, any possibility China would go back and install a single EMALS on each of its two ski jump carriers so the ship can carry fixed wing awacs?

Impossible but china will build more type 076 tho lol we will see at least 4-8 of this type

 

[FuturePAF]

Ok but the type 055 can carry 2 helicopter hangers. Not one but two bro u can't trade for a tilt rotor. I will take 2 helicopters than a tilt rotor anyday. I see your case tho but PLAN wants to stick with one platform

I went through and thought again on the topic, it seems more likely, IMHO, China will just build more Type 076 and focus around large surface action groups rather than a few heavy destroyers based task groups.

 

[FHN]

I went through and thought again on the topic, it seems more likely, IMHO, China will just build more Type 076 and focus around large surface action groups rather than a few heavy destroyers based task groups.

That's what we are seeing right now technology is maturing more and more large platforms will be built.

 

[huanghong]

Considering the progress on Emals technology for the PLAN, any possibility China would go back and install a single EMALS on each of its two ski jump carriers so the ship can carry fixed wing awacs? Launching most everything else by ski jump; but reserving the Emals for heavy strike missions by J-15s as well as special mission aircraft like the AWACS.

It is a bit ironic. According to the current situation of 076, compared with CV-16 and CV-17, 076 may have the ability to take off aircraft with larger loads, and the length of the catapult is enough to match the fully loaded J-35, J-15 and KJ-600.
The problem of 076 is that the take-off and landing efficiency is low, and it cannot take off and land aircraft at the same time.
Perhaps 076 and CV-16 and CV-17 will be mixed, and CV-16 and CV-17 will provide light-loaded air combat configuration aircraft to perform air defense tasks such as interception and CAP.
076 provides early warning aircraft warning, and heavy-loaded aircraft perform ground and ship attack tasks, so that the overall efficiency will be better.
Of course, 076 also has the ability to launch unmanned attack aircraft such as GJ-11, which has a much lower RCS and longer range than manned fighters.
Yes, I think 076 may focus on attack, whether it is ground or ship, and entrust air defense tasks to regular aircraft carriers.
Of course, if it is a low-intensity conflict, then 076 can take on air defense tasks by itself.

 

[huanghong]

Impossible but china will build more type 076 tho lol we will see at least 4-8 of this type

Yes, the most surprising thing about 076 is the construction speed.
The construction of cv-16 and cv-17 takes about 70 months, while the construction of 076 may only take about 30 months
More importantly, Hudong Shipyard and Huangpu Shipyard, which are capable of building 076, are not involved in the construction of aircraft carriers.
The construction of 076 will not interfere with the construction of aircraft carriers.

 

[FuturePAF]

It is a bit ironic. According to the current situation of 076, compared with CV-16 and CV-17, 076 may have the ability to take off aircraft with larger loads, and the length of the catapult is enough to match the fully loaded J-35, J-15 and KJ-600.
The problem of 076 is that the take-off and landing efficiency is low, and it cannot take off and land aircraft at the same time.
Perhaps 076 and CV-16 and CV-17 will be mixed, and CV-16 and CV-17 will provide light-loaded air combat configuration aircraft to perform air defense tasks such as interception and CAP.
076 provides early warning aircraft warning, and heavy-loaded aircraft perform ground and ship attack tasks, so that the overall efficiency will be better.
Of course, 076 also has the ability to launch unmanned attack aircraft such as GJ-11, which has a much lower RCS and longer range than manned fighters.
Yes, I think 076 may focus on attack, whether it is ground or ship, and entrust air defense tasks to regular aircraft carriers.
Of course, if it is a low-intensity conflict, then 076 can take on air defense tasks by itself.

Do you think CV-16 and/or CV-17 will be retrofitted with an Emals, or will this be a learning experience, such that in the future, a new derivative of the Type 076 will be build with an angled flight deck and long enough to fit enough fighters to be used as a light fighter.

For now it’s possible we could see CV-16 and CV-17 always operate with a Type 076 to give it that fixed wing AEW and enough strike UAVs to compliment the ski jump carriers 30-40 fighters. A possibly strategy for freighter defense in the Indian Ocean, on of these task groups always on or ready for deployment. Leaving the super carriers for near Chinese waters or the Pacific Ocean.

I know CV-17 is a new build, but what do you estimate the lifespan of CV-16 will be?

 

[FHN]

Do you think CV-16 and/or CV-17 will be retrofitted with an Emals, or will this be a learning experience, such that in the future, a new derivative of the Type 076 will be build with an angled flight deck and long enough to fit enough fighters to be used as a light fighter.

For now it’s possible we could see CV-16 and CV-17 always operate with a Type 076 to give it that fixed wing AEW and enough strike UAVs to compliment the ski jump carriers 30-40 fighters. A possibly strategy for freighter defense in the Indian Ocean, on of these task groups always on or ready for deployment. Leaving the super carriers for near Chinese waters or the Pacific Ocean.

I know CV-17 is a new build, but what do you estimate the lifespan of CV-16 will be?

Until 2040 most Likely when china has enough carriers at sea. In 2020 US Navy forecasted china to have 6 operational carriers by 2040. I wouldn't be surprised if china decides to build 2-3 carriers simultaneously once nuclear carrier is matured enough. If china were to build 4 more carriers from here to 2040 then it makes sense to decommission liaoning.

 

[FuturePAF]

Until 2040 most Likely when china has enough carriers at sea. In 2020 US Navy forecasted china to have 6 operational carriers by 2040. I wouldn't be surprised if china decides to build 2-3 carriers simultaneously once nuclear carrier is matured enough. If china were to build 4 more carriers from here to 2040 then it makes sense to decommission liaoning.

It does look like China would be going the “CVE” route. If you see the following documentary, the missions these smaller ships carried out: ASW, freighter escort, close air support to marines, the first Type 076 could be considered China CVE-01, and just the right fit for the ambitious but overly ambitious doctrine of SLOCs defense and ASW around Taiwan.

 

[FHN]

It does look like China would be going the “CVE” route. If you see the following documentary, the missions these smaller ships carried out: ASW, freighter escort, close air support to marines, the first Type 076 could be considered China CVE-01, and just the right fit for the ambitious but overly ambitious doctrine of SLOCs defense and ASW around Taiwan.

Csis does a bit of an overview of type 076 https://www.csis.org/analysis/chinas-massive-next-generation-amphibious-assault-ship-takes-shape#:~:text=Once operational, the Type 076,control for broader amphibious forces.

 

[huanghong]

Do you think CV-16 and/or CV-17 will be retrofitted with an Emals, or will this be a learning experience, such that in the future, a new derivative of the Type 076 will be build with an angled flight deck and long enough to fit enough fighters to be used as a light fighter.

For now it’s possible we could see CV-16 and CV-17 always operate with a Type 076 to give it that fixed wing AEW and enough strike UAVs to compliment the ski jump carriers 30-40 fighters. A possibly strategy for freighter defense in the Indian Ocean, on of these task groups always on or ready for deployment. Leaving the super carriers for near Chinese waters or the Pacific Ocean.

I know CV-17 is a new build, but what do you estimate the lifespan of CV-16 will be?

In my opinion, considering that CV-16 is an old ship that was started in 1985, it is reasonable that the remaining service life is about 15 years.
As for the angled deck, referring to the angled deck length of CV-17, which is about 310 meters in length。
if you want to land and land heavy aircraft, it is very difficult to set up an angled deck on the 260-meter 076.
It will also reduce the rear parking space, so it is a reasonable move not to set up an angled deck.