Chinese LHD / LAH Carriers - Type 075 & 076 and the future

[FHN]

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[FuturePAF]

You can't do that because it is not just one plane that comes back, Another thing is what would happen if they get shot badly and need an emergency landing or worse fire on the deck with ordnance still on the plane. That is why you have an emergency chute to drop that nasty bomb. Nobody does that why do you insist on wacky and dangerous carrier operations?

Ok ok. I misunderstood what is possible. Yes, safety comes first.

 

[Deino]

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The problem is, that guy posts anything that just looks nice and he makes no difference if it’s a concept, a model, real or fan made made-up stuff like this

 

[Michael]

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The problem is, that guy posts anything that just looks nice and he makes no difference if it’s a concept, a model, real or fan made made-up stuff like this

This guy "彩云香江" was previously active on Weibo. He downloaded a large number of original pictures posted by others, removed the watermark of the original person's pictures, and re-added his own watermark and posted it on his Weibo account. This behavior led to his notoriety on Weibo, which was reported by a large number of netizens. Eventually, Weibo permanently banned his Weibo account.
He is now active on Twitter and continues his bad behavior.

 

[yusheng]

There is a lot of discussion about 076 on Chinese social media.

My personal opinion:
076's positioning is still LAH. It has an electromagnetic ejection and .......

If time permited, i would discuss more.
first, it has a electromagnetic, do you think it will only be used occasionally? what a waster if it can not be fully applied.

secondly, what is the most difficult part of landing? control. Is it artificial control or AI one? obvious todays' landing is fully controlled by machine, man nearby moniter the procedure.

can Chinese make a such machine to accomplish such a tough task? and what is the abilities of this machine? how many G needed for a missile tracing a target and how many G needed for a plane landing nicely though plane needs more dimensional control.
i show you two news, you can make judgement.
1, Shenzhen launches 10000 drones for National Day celebration

2,Chinese research team completes superconducting terahertz communication experiment
.....has achieved terahertz wireless communication transmission of high-definition video signals, with a transmission frequency of 0.5 THz, a transmission distance of 1.2 kilometers, and a signal transmission power of only 10 microwatts.



do you know what is main tech in car auto drive? by the way, this one may be a testing and teaching one like 16.

 

[Michael]

If time permited, i would discuss more.
first, it has a electromagnetic, do you think it will only be used occasionally? what a waster if it can not be fully applied.

secondly, what is the most difficult part of landing? control. Is it artificial control or AI one? obvious todays' landing is fully controlled by machine, man nearby moniter the procedure.

can Chinese make a such machine to accomplish such a tough task? and what is the abilities of this machine? how many G needed for a missile tracing a target and how many G needed for a plane landing nicely though plane needs more dimensional control.
i show you two news, you can make judgement.
1, Shenzhen launches 10000 drones for National Day celebration
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2,Chinese research team completes superconducting terahertz communication experiment
.....has achieved terahertz wireless communication transmission of high-definition video signals, with a transmission frequency of 0.5 THz, a transmission distance of 1.2 kilometers, and a signal transmission power of only 10 microwatts.
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do you know what is main tech in car auto drive? by the way, this one may be a testing and teaching one like 16.

You don't seem to have looked at my analysis carefully, or there is something wrong with the translation.
1, I do not doubt the strength of technology, you send these content I have read. I also believe that the PLA has sufficient scientific and technological capabilities.
2. Takeoffs and landings are very dangerous things. When the take-off and landing runways are in the same straight line, it is not possible to carry out take-off and landing at the same time, either manually or automatically. It's a basic safety rule.
3. 076's runway design overlaps with the helicopter takeoff and landing area, and the runway must be cleared during fixed-wing aircraft takeoff and landing operations. This means that these helicopter takeoff and landing zones cannot be used for helicopter-related operations. It will severely limit the combat capability of helicopters.
4. The deck width of 076 allows for the installation of two catapults, but it actually has only one catapult. This doomed it to no large-scale fixed-wing operations. If large-scale fixed-wing aircraft operations are required, it is better to build 003 directly.
5. 076 is still an amphibious operation. The installation of ejection and interception systems is complementary to some special operations requirements, but is not its primary use.

 

[yusheng]

first, you assume that the ship will mainly be used for helicopter, why are you so sure? maybe most planes are fixedwing UAV.
secondly, why you assume all planes must be taking off and landing at same time ? driving cars on the road is 'dangerous' too.
maybe there are some new patterns for takingoff and landing with new algorithms which is beyond your ken and i can not discuss here.
and i pointed out this ship may be still a ship for testing and teaching, we can not conclude too early.

 

[Hendarto]

first, you assume that the ship will mainly be used for helicopter, why are you so sure? maybe most planes are fixedwing UAV.
secondly, why you assume all planes must be taking off and landing at same time ? driving cars on the road is 'dangerous' too.
maybe there are some new patterns for takingoff and landing with new algorithms which is beyond your ken and i can not discuss here.
and i pointed out this ship may be still a ship for testing and teaching, we can not conclude too early.

There is an automatic landing system on aircraft carriers but rarely used It is only used in severe weather. Back in the rear of the Aircraft carrier, there is an approach radar. And plan pilot trained with the simulator to land automatically on the carrier Anyway new photo shows up

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[Michael]

first, you assume that the ship will mainly be used for helicopter, why are you so sure? maybe most planes are fixedwing UAV.
secondly, why you assume all planes must be taking off and landing at same time ? driving cars on the road is 'dangerous' too.
maybe there are some new patterns for takingoff and landing with new algorithms which is beyond your ken and i can not discuss here.
and i pointed out this ship may be still a ship for testing and teaching, we can not conclude too early.

We can't lose our minds because of love.

If its main task is to use fixed-wing aircraft, then it needs at least two catapults. Even if it mainly uses UAVs, it needs at least 1 standard catapult + 1 small size catapult. Judging by the current deck situation, it allows the installation of two catapults. But in practice only one catapult was installed. This suggests that its main task is not a fixed-wing aircraft, but a helicopter.
At present, the mainstream aircraft carriers are designed with inclined decks, so that they can be prepared for take-off operations during landing operations, and there is no need to empty all runways. Only the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier has a straight-through runway design, as its only fixed-wing carrier-based aircraft is the F35B. China does not have aircraft of the STOVL scheme. The 076 has a straight-through runway design that does not allow it to take off and land a large number of fixed-wing aircraft.

Although China has developed rapidly in the field of military industry in recent years, there are still some areas that are underdeveloped, and we still need to continue to work hard. For example, there are no carrier-based special armed helicopters. WZ-10 and WZ-19 are not suitable for modification to a carrier-based version. The latest WZ-21 is still being tested. The Ka-52 also did not enter the arsenal of the PLA Navy. The three 075s we have equipped are still using transport-type carrier-based helicopters. The PLA Navy currently uses carrier-based versions of the Z8, Z9, Z20 and their improved carrier-based versions.

The Chinese military industry is a very serious field, and there are very strict regulations for the use of any new technology. Don't use civilian technology to directly assume military technology. "步子大了容易扯到蛋 If the steps are big, it's easy to pull the eggs."

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Whether it is a LAH or an aircraft carrier, their essence is a mobile sea base prepared for ocean-going operations. In addition to being equipped with aircraft, they also need to be equipped with a corresponding maintenance system.
This means that the more models they have, the larger the maintenance system. The J15 and J15D share most of the maintenance systems. In the future, the 003 will be equipped with fixed-wing transport aircraft and fixed-wing anti-submarine aircraft, etc., which will use platforms of the same family as the KJ-600.
At present, China's UAV does not have a platform to achieve family development, and it still needs time to develop. UAVs such as the GJ-11 and WZ-7 are not weapon systems of a family platform.

Weapons systems that require deployment for temporary special and emergency missions do not carry a maintenance system. This is very different from standard deployments.

076 also needs to carry air-cushion landing craft, amphibious combat vehicles, and the maintenance system of the Marine Corps. It doesn't leave as much space for the Flying Wing as we thought.

 

[yusheng]

 

[Michael]

076 Latest satellite aerial view. Presumably taken during China's National Day.
The island of the 076 seems to be getting painted already?

 

[FuturePAF]

You don't seem to have looked at my analysis carefully, or there is something wrong with the translation.
1, I do not doubt the strength of technology, you send these content I have read. I also believe that the PLA has sufficient scientific and technological capabilities.
2. Takeoffs and landings are very dangerous things. When the take-off and landing runways are in the same straight line, it is not possible to carry out take-off and landing at the same time, either manually or automatically. It's a basic safety rule.
3. 076's runway design overlaps with the helicopter takeoff and landing area, and the runway must be cleared during fixed-wing aircraft takeoff and landing operations. This means that these helicopter takeoff and landing zones cannot be used for helicopter-related operations. It will severely limit the combat capability of helicopters.
4. The deck width of 076 allows for the installation of two catapults, but it actually has only one catapult. This doomed it to no large-scale fixed-wing operations. If large-scale fixed-wing aircraft operations are required, it is better to build 003 directly.
5. 076 is still an amphibious operation. The installation of ejection and interception systems is complementary to some special operations requirements, but is not its primary use.

As to your 4th point. Would a two catapult design like catapult 3 and 4 (on the port side) work for the type 076? If one catapult is in use and other operations, landings and helicopters ops aren’t being done, then two catapults shouldn’t be much more of a hassle. Actually two catapults should allow launches to be done faster and allow the ship to switch back to landings or helicopters ops faster.

 

[Michael]

As to your 4th point. Would a two catapult design like catapult 3 and 4 (on the port side) work for the type 076? If one catapult is in use and other operations, landings and helicopters ops aren’t being done, then two catapults shouldn’t be much more of a hassle. Actually two catapults should allow launches to be done faster and allow the ship to switch back to landings or helicopters ops faster.

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If the 076 is positioned as a predominantly fixed-wing UAV, then it should have at least two parallel catapults. A standard size catapult and a smaller one; or two standard size catapults. And, its deck needs to be extended outward to increase the deck area for parking the ready aircraft.
The fixed-wing dominated deck layout means that the takeoff and landing runways need to be completely cleared. At the same time, the two runways need to be laid out in a “Y” shape so that they do not interfere with each other.
Is this the deck of a standard aircraft carrier? It's also no longer a 076 ......

So it's unlikely that the 076 will be primarily a fixed wing UAV. It's still mainly helicopters, with a balance of fixed-wing aircraft taking off and landing for special and emergency missions.

 

[FuturePAF]

If the 076 is positioned as a predominantly fixed-wing UAV, then it should have at least two parallel catapults. A standard size catapult and a smaller one; or two standard size catapults. And, its deck needs to be extended outward to increase the deck area for parking the ready aircraft.
The fixed-wing dominated deck layout means that the takeoff and landing runways need to be completely cleared. At the same time, the two runways need to be laid out in a “Y” shape so that they do not interfere with each other.
Is this the deck of a standard aircraft carrier? It's also no longer a 076 ......

So it's unlikely that the 076 will be primarily a fixed wing UAV. It's still mainly helicopters, with a balance of fixed-wing aircraft taking off and landing for special and emergency missions.

The catapult, on this ship, may primarily be for limited ops. Perhaps this is an evolutionary design, and we may see a two catapult arrangement on the second type 076, because having one catapult creates one point of failure should anything go wrong with that one catapult.

 

[Michael]

The catapult, on this ship, may primarily be for limited ops. Perhaps this is an evolutionary design, and we may see a two catapult arrangement on the second type 076, because having one catapult creates one point of failure should anything go wrong with that one catapult.

Very unlikely at this time. Perhaps a dedicated UAV mothership will be redesigned subsequently.

If we see 001 start deploying UAV at scale, that means it's coming. But no sign of that has been seen yet.