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No, but to call a frigate a „giant ship“ and to start once again a separate thread just for an overhyped news is crap.

Giant ship term is just some automatic translation by Google. The content has some facts and some reasonable speculations though.

 

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Another giant ship from China has been unveiled. It is expected to be commissioned into the navy this year, and the number of ships to be built may exceed 30.​

2024-09-20 01:27 Source: Three Golden Weapons Theory
Published in: Zhejiang Province

China has unveiled another giant ship. It is even expected to be commissioned into the navy this year, and the number of construction may exceed 30. This is the Type 054B frigate.





The Type 054B frigate is a new generation frigate of the Chinese Navy, which is further upgraded based on the previous Type 054A frigate. It is a multi-purpose frigate in active service of the Chinese Navy and is widely used for offshore defense, long-sea escort and other tasks. The Type 054B will achieve higher technological improvements and combat capabilities on this basis.


Next, let’s take a look at: the basic situation of this frigate.


Stealth design and integrated mast technology





One of the highlights of the Type 054B frigate is its more advanced stealth design. By optimizing the hull structure and reducing the radar reflection area, a smaller signal can be presented to enemy radar, making it more difficult to detect.


The enhancement of stealth capabilities is crucial to modern naval operations, especially when performing missions in high-threat environments. Stealth capabilities can gain more strategic initiative for ships.


In addition, an integrated mast design is adopted, which is a relatively rare innovation among frigate-class ships.


The integrated mast integrates radar, electronic countermeasures equipment, communication antennas and other equipment into one structure, reducing equipment exposure and further enhancing stealth. It also optimizes the ship's space utilization and electromagnetic compatibility.


This design not only improves the ship's electronic warfare and communication capabilities, but also effectively reduces maintenance costs and improves combat effectiveness.





Improvement of comprehensive combat capabilities


The Type 054B frigate has also undergone comprehensive upgrades in its weapon system. Compared with the Type 054A, the Type 054B frigate is equipped with more advanced radar systems and weapons and equipment, making it perform better in anti-submarine, anti-ship, and air defense operations.


Especially in terms of air defense systems, the missile vertical launch system of the Type 054B frigate can carry multiple types of missiles, such as anti-aircraft missiles, anti-submarine missiles and anti-ship missiles, giving it a full range of combat capabilities.


At the same time, it also has good long-range combat capabilities and sustained combat capabilities.


Its endurance and self-sustainability have been significantly improved compared to previous models, and it can perform long-term missions in the open sea. This has a great supporting role for the Chinese Navy's increasingly expanding ocean strategy.





With the global deployment of the Chinese Navy, the Type 054B frigate will play a key role in safeguarding China's maritime interests, protecting the safety of ocean waterways, and performing international missions.


The number of my country's Type 054B frigates is expected to exceed 30, which far exceeds the number of general frigates built. So, what prompted the Chinese Navy to build it on a large scale?


Reason one. The needs of ocean strategy: from offshore defense to ocean warfare





In recent years, the strategic focus of the Chinese Navy has gradually shifted from traditional "offshore defense" to "offshore operations." In this context, the Type 054B frigate, as a multi-purpose frigate, has the ability to perform a variety of ocean missions.


Its anti-submarine, air defense and anti-ship warfare capabilities enable it to operate independently or as part of a formation in an ocean environment. The Chinese Navy needs to build a large number of Type 054B frigates to form a sufficient scale to ensure continued military presence and combat capabilities in various important sea areas around the world.


Reason two. The needs of diverse missions: from escort to international cooperation



The Type 054B frigate is not only a combat ship used in traditional naval battles, it can also perform a variety of non-traditional missions.


In recent years, the Chinese navy has performed well in missions such as Gulf of Aden escort and international rescue. In the future, as China's participation in global affairs continues to increase, the demand for similar missions will continue to increase.


And it also has strong multi-task execution capabilities and can cope with different maritime security challenges.


From escort, anti-piracy to humanitarian relief, to joint military exercises with other countries, the design of the Type 054B frigate enables it to flexibly cope with various tasks. In addition, the long-range deployment capabilities and sustained combat capabilities of the Type 054B frigate are particularly suitable for performing long-term missions in complex and changeable international environments.


Reason three. Improving regional deterrence capabilities: coping with the global competitive landscape

At present, competition in global maritime power is increasingly intensifying, especially in the Asia-Pacific region, where the naval forces of many major powers are developing rapidly.


In this context, the Chinese navy needs to have sufficient regional deterrence capabilities to deal with possible threats and challenges.


The large-scale construction of the Type 054B frigate will provide the Chinese Navy with a powerful medium-sized combat force that can respond quickly and deploy flexibly to form an effective deterrent force. These ships can not only form a powerful defense network in China's offshore waters, but also have the ability to suppress and deter potential threats in the distant seas.


Reason four. The rapid development of the shipbuilding industry: driven by both production capacity and technology


China's shipbuilding industry has developed rapidly in recent years, especially in the field of warship construction, with the capability of large-scale and rapid construction. This provides a solid industrial foundation for the mass construction of Type 054B frigates. By pooling its resources and technological advantages, China was able to complete the construction of a large number of frigates in a relatively short period of time and put them into service quickly.


In addition, the technical design of the Type 054B frigate is relatively mature, which makes mass production possible. Through continuous technological iteration and optimization, China's shipbuilding industry has accumulated rich experience, which has enabled China to build a large number of advanced ships at lower costs and higher efficiency.

This could also make a great export product with some modifications (swap VLS with the larger UVLS if possible) and improve the radar layout. It could be competitive with the US proposed variants of the Constellation class that will eventually also be on the export market.



Fan art CGI, but interesting.

https://min.news/en/military/079f084de7c05954bfbafb0fa26b5ef6.html#google_vignette

 

[yusheng]

upper is Chinese mini flat top deck ship, don't know what it's for


Phased array is like ceramic tiles, you can stick them as you want

 

[Hendarto]

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upper is Chinese mini flat top deck ship, don't know what it's for

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Phased array is like ceramic tiles, you can stick them as you want

She's out at sea for the first time:

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She's out at sea for the first time:

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I think this ship is specially for testing sea UAV, to explore and study the tactics of sea based unmanned equipments, including training crews.

 

[Vi-va]

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I think this ship is specially for testing sea UAV, to explore and study the tactics of sea based unmanned equipments, including training crews.

Disagree.
The flight deck is occupied by 3 islands, wasted. That's kind of weird if this is designed for military purpose.

I don't know why it was designed like this, but I bet it's either for Coast Guard or other civil service, such as Scientific Experiments.

按照招标文件规定，这艘船的船体长度要求为200米，甲板宽度38.8米，型深16.5米，吃水深度5米，最大航速不低于16节，经济航速不低于12节，续航力不低于5000海里，自持力40天，可以在7级海况下安全航行，并在4级海况下安全作业，最有意思的是，该船还要求设计坞舱。

首先，该船没有任何武器配置，我国大甲板军用舰艇在下水试航时，舰载武器系统普遍都已经能安装到位，具备随时开火的能力，因为海试对于军舰而言，依然存在一定的威胁，所以军舰海试必须保障最低限度的自卫能力。而这艘船明显没有任何武器装备，这可以证明该船确实是民船，并非军舰。

其次，该船的设计参数要求也明显不符合军舰的要求：该船的最大航速要求仅16节，要知道即便是两栖攻击舰，其最大航速要求普遍也在20节以上，这是为了保障部队可以快速航渡进入指定海域，并展开活动。作为一艘要起降飞机的大型舰艇，在起飞飞机时，保持逆风最高速航行，可以有效提升飞机的升力，从而保障飞机携带更多载荷。但这艘“民用航母”的最大航速仅16节，连两栖攻击舰都追不上，仅相当于辽宁号航母的一半，这显然就不正常。

 

[yusheng]

@Vi-va

first take a look at PLAN 82 as example,
The Shichang National Defense Mobilization Ship is a comprehensive training ship named after the national hero Deng Shichang. It is the only national defense mobilization ship in China with the hull number "82". The ship belongs to the Dalian Naval Academy of the Chinese Navy and is responsible for tasks such as maritime internship training for naval students, medical and aviation training, reserve personnel training, military and civilian material transportation, national defense summer camps, and friendly visits.


Modified from the container ship "Huayuankou" belonging to COSCO, it has a length of 120.8m, a height of 40m, a draft of 4.8m, a standard displacement of 9105t, and a full displacement of over 10000 tons. It is powered by two diesel engines, dual axis propulsion, with an economic speed of 16 knots and a maximum of 19.3 knots, a range of 8000 nautical miles, and a self-sustaining capacity of 30 days and nights.




If you are familiar with the history and relevant theories of the Chinese military, you can see that it is normal to transform a civilian ship into a navy one. You should not judge it with military requirements. This ship is jokingly called 038. As a comprehensive training ship, its ability to explore and use unmanned combat systems is sufficient. It has elevators and a dock, so the deck building has become a teaching building and dormitory, and it also has wide space to test different UAV. We don't know how unmanned naval battles will evolve in the future, but this ship may provide some clues.

 

[Vi-va]

@Vi-va

first take a look at PLAN 82 as example,
The Shichang National Defense Mobilization Ship is a comprehensive training ship named after the national hero Deng Shichang. It is the only national defense mobilization ship in China with the hull number "82". The ship belongs to the Dalian Naval Academy of the Chinese Navy and is responsible for tasks such as maritime internship training for naval students, medical and aviation training, reserve personnel training, military and civilian material transportation, national defense summer camps, and friendly visits.

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Modified from the container ship "Huayuankou" belonging to COSCO, it has a length of 120.8m, a height of 40m, a draft of 4.8m, a standard displacement of 9105t, and a full displacement of over 10000 tons. It is powered by two diesel engines, dual axis propulsion, with an economic speed of 16 knots and a maximum of 19.3 knots, a range of 8000 nautical miles, and a self-sustaining capacity of 30 days and nights.

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If you are familiar with the history and relevant theories of the Chinese military, you can see that it is normal to transform a civilian ship into a navy one. You should not judge it with military requirements. This ship is jokingly called 038. As a comprehensive training ship, its ability to explore and use unmanned combat systems is sufficient. It has elevators and a dock, so the deck building has become a teaching building and dormitory, and it also has wide space to test different UAV. We don't know how unmanned naval battles will evolve in the future, but this ship may provide some clues.

Thanks a lot for your info, it is very comprehensive.

I don't know why China build this ship, we can wait and see.

Btw, China today has excessive ship building capacity, so our situation is quite different from that in 1996.


世昌号国防动员舰（“邓世昌”舰 ），是以民族英雄邓世昌名字命名的综合训练舰，是中国唯一的一艘国防动员舰，全长120多米，宽18米，最大排水量超过9000吨。从1996年12月28日服役以来，先后完成了海上实习训练、医疗救护训练、国防动员训练、战备物资运输、科学实验、出国访问、抢险救灾等任务。

世昌号国防动员舰

世昌号国防动员舰（“邓世昌”舰），是以民族英雄邓世昌名字命名的综合训练舰，是中国唯一的一艘国防动员舰，全长120多米，宽18米，最大排水量超过9000吨。从1996年12月28日服役以来，先后完成了海上实习训练、医疗救护训练、国防动员训练、战备物资运输、科学实验、出国访问、抢险救灾等任务。截至2024年7月，世昌号国防动员舰总航程达40多万海里。

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[yusheng]

@Vi-va

China has many auxiliary ships, and you can classify the 038 as an auxiliary ship. The Chinese Navy's warships starting with "8" mainly include supply ships, minesweepers, experimental ships, survey ships, electronic reconnaissance ships, rescue ships, and other types, such as the 81 and 83 ships.

Another factor is that unmanned combat equipment is developing too fast, and the 076 has its specific application direction. Therefore, this ship has emerged, and it is definitely multi-purpose. It is a principle of military construction to let people wait for equipment rather than letting equipment wait for people.

 

[Vi-va]

@Vi-va

China has many auxiliary ships, and you can classify the 038 as an auxiliary ship. The Chinese Navy's warships starting with "8" mainly include supply ships, minesweepers, experimental ships, survey ships, electronic reconnaissance ships, rescue ships, and other types, such as the 81 and 83 ships.

Another factor is that unmanned combat equipment is developing too fast, and the 076 has its specific application direction. Therefore, this ship has emerged, and it is definitely multi-purpose. It is a principle of military construction to let people wait for equipment rather than letting equipment wait for people.

could be, but it's weird to me. I still believe it's built either for Coast Guard or other civil service, such as Scientific Experiments.

不过笔者认为，这艘“大平板”是军用船只的可能性很小。原因是海军已经有吨位更大、综合性能也更加出色的075和076两型两栖攻击舰，并且造价也不贵，建造时间也缩短到了极致。

075型两栖攻击舰从切割第一块钢板到海试的平均耗时只有1年零3个月多一点，只有同吨位的美国级两栖攻击舰耗时的44%，造价也只有后者的几分之一。

无论是从“降低造价”，还是从“缩短建造时间”方面考虑，继续批量建造075就可以了，完全没必要再建造一款万吨级的缩小版两栖攻击舰。事实上我们也是这样做的，第4艘075已经开始进行海试，最快将在明年初服役。


至于会不会是海军用来进行各类新型无人机试验的平台。还是那句话，试验部署在两栖攻击舰的有人和无人航空器，直接在4万吨级的075和5万吨级的076上试验不香吗？完全没有必要去建造一艘吨位小了六成多（相比较075）的新船作为实验平台。

据此笔者认为这艘大平台大概率不是为海军建造的。其实分析这艘船的尺寸数据和外观特征就能够发现，这艘大平板其实就是2022年网络上曝光的，招标用于海事调查和其他测试/研究活动的“大型特种甲板作业”船。

从这份招标文书上可以看到，招标建造的这艘大型特种甲板作业船长200米，船宽为38.8米（1甲板处），飞行甲板宽25米，排水量15000吨。采用柴电混合推进，最高航速不低于16节，经济航速不低于12节，续航力不低于5000海里，自持力为40天。

船型设计上采用了球鼻艏，方形船尾，贯通式直甲板有舷台和双岛上层建筑，主船体首部预留有机库空间，船尾预留坞舱。这意味着该船不仅能够起降垂直起降的有人/无人航空器，还具备长期部署航空器，以及携带小型船艇的能力。

简而言之，该船具备和传统两栖攻击舰一样的空中和海面投送能力。

这种大平板，海事调查和其他测试/研究活动用肯定能用得到，但是此类民用活动一般用个两三架直升机就顶天了，而且直升机起降也都是一架一架来，完全没有必要像两栖攻击舰那样同时起降。因此，包括我国在内的所有国家的科研船只都采用正常的船型，没有一艘采用“贯通式直甲板”这种让人误会的船型。

其实把所有的可能性排除后，剩下的那个可能性即便是再不合理，它也有可能是最终的答案。笔者认为，这艘大平板大概率就是海警的远洋综合支援执法母舰。这其实官方是有暗示的，中国船舶708所在今年8月8号发布了一篇关于“海警装备技术展”的报道文章。其中就提到了其展出了为海警设计的“远洋综合支援执法母舰、海警综合补给舰、无人潜航器”等多型“军转警”的海警装备。




事实上，海警新造海警船直接沿用海军现役主力舰艇的船体早已不是什么新闻。不然，海警版054A和海警版052D是从哪里来的？所以再来个海警版的076也完全能够理解。

海警版076要来了？1.5万吨的双舰岛全通甲板试验平台现身，会是海警执法母舰吗？

近日，广船在建的一艘万吨级“大平板”引发外媒关注。美国军事媒体《战区》还专门发文进行了解析，从“轻型航母”到“两栖攻击舰”到“无人机母舰”，再到“民用的海洋调查/科考试验平台”，每种可能性都进行了分析。 有意思的是，分析到最后《战区》都不自信了，无法不确定这艘大平板的真实身份到底是啥，只能用笼统的“某种定制的军事训练和…

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