Chinese Naval Platform & PLAN discussions

@Vi-va

How long does it take to build a 076? This one is 18 months. Not to mention the cost.

Many coast guard ships are combat ships, so it's not surprising to use warship hulls.

Using the structures and functions of the ship's hull to analyze its purpose, consider whether a "through deck" is necessary for maritime police? Does the coast guard have many drones and unmanned ships that need a mother ship?

Why is the bidding so urgent? The navy always has crews trained first and equipped later. 076 is coming, personnel must have basic training first. This is the basic principle of China's military construction.

Perhaps I should have used the 83 (not 82) ship as an example in the previous post. For China today, building a 10000 ton ship is easy and affordable, there is no need to worry about or investigate the purpose of a single ship.

Maybe my analysis is wrong, wait for future information.
 
@Vi-va

How long does it take to build a 076? This one is 18 months. Not to mention the cost.

Many coast guard ships are combat ships, so it's not surprising to use warship hulls.

Using the structures and functions of the ship's hull to analyze its purpose, consider whether a "through deck" is necessary for maritime police? Does the coast guard have many drones and unmanned ships that need a mother ship?

Why is the bidding so urgent? The navy always has crews trained first and equipped later. 076 is coming, personnel must have basic training first. This is the basic principle of China's military construction.

Perhaps I should have used the 83 (not 82) ship as an example in the previous post. For China today, building a 10000 ton ship is easy and affordable, there is no need to worry about or investigate the purpose of a single ship.

Maybe my analysis is wrong, wait for future information.
Type 076 has a CATOBAR system of electromagnetic catapult and arresting gears for operating light fixed-wing aircraft, likely unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAV).

This one obviously doesn't have it. If you want to use this one to train crews, at least get a CATOBAR system installed first.
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@Vi-va
maybe they have a CATOBAR simulator, who konws, and if you are Chinese, you will understand what i mean in the picture:
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and you are wise man, you can find some by yourself, good luck.
 
China may possess a second-rate Navy in terms of quality. But their number one status in terms of size is all that matters. This was a lesson the Americans once knew well and applied with devastating effects on their enemies. We’ve forgotten that reality.

by Brandon J. Weichert

December 2, 2024

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Remember this, frankly, tired old mantra: quantity has a quality of its own. This was something that the Americans once understood. During the Second World War, the United States used its massive advantages as a large industrial power to become the “Arsenal of Democracy.”

We supplied the weapons and equipment needed to keep the overall Allied war effort going, even before the Americans officially entered the war on the side of the Allies after the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, America supplied vital weapons and wartime equipment to the embattled militaries of Britain and the Soviet Union, indeed, the only reason the Soviets were able to overwhelm the Nazis was thanks to the gallant efforts of the U.S. Merchant Marines who ensured that critical U.S. military supplies reached the Red Army.

U.S. Manufacturing is Broken

The United States cannot accomplish a similar task today. Its defense industry is a shambles and has been for decades. Indeed, unless radical reforms are implemented on day one of the new Trump administration, the defense industrial base will continue its slide into absolute obsolescence. Meanwhile, America’s greatest strategic rival, the People’s Republic of China, and even to a lesser degree, the Russian Federation, have spent the last few decades turning themselves into what I like to call the “Arsenals of Autocracy.”

One decisive advantage that China’s “Arsenal of Autocracy” has granted Beijing over Washington is in the arena of shipbuilding. As I recently reported in these pages, the Chinese shipbuilding capacity is officially 232 times greater than that of U.S. shipyards. Because of this tragic reality, China now possesses the world’s largest navy.

This is a serious inflection point in the history of America’s modern navy. Not since before WWII has the American Navy found itself in a similar position. Unlike at that point in history, the U.S. Navy today, from an industrial standpoint, is a spent force whereas back in the WWII era, America had latent industrial capacities that were being activated by the increased demand of the war.

The interesting part of U.S. military technology during WWII, the last major war that the Americans decisively won, is that not all the systems employed by the Americans were the most technologically advanced.

For example, German Wehrmacht Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) were infinitely technologically superior to the U.S.-supplied Sherman MBTs. Yet, the American systems completely overwhelmed their Nazi rivals simply through sheer numbers. The lack of complexity made the Shermans a more desirable platform because they were much easier to quickly assemble by factory workers back home in the United States.

Quantity is All That Matters

American submarines, too, during that war were far less impressive than those of their German Kriegsmarine enemies. Indeed, by the time the Nazis surrendered to the Allies in 1945, according to Proceedings magazine, “Germany surrendered to the Allies a submarine fleet so advanced that no practical defense against it existed at the time.”

Indeed, as Navy Lt. Cmdr. A.N. Glennon wrote in Proceedings back in 1961, “no Navy—including the United States Navy—had submarines that even came close to matching the potency of Germany’s U-Boats until the navies of the victorious Allies radically modernized their submarine forces.”

What killed the Germans throughout the war, as well as the Japanese, and certainly, the Italians, was the fact that the Allies, thanks mainly to the United States, could simply outproduce the platforms of the Axis Powers. Even though many of those German and Japanese systems were significantly more advanced.

Today, the Americans find themselves in the position of the Axis Powers, particularly when it comes to the U.S. Navy. Almost every ship in the U.S. Navy is technically more advanced and complex than those belonging to its potential rivals in either China or Russia, although China is rapidly catching up in terms of capabilities.

But America’s shipyards are a shambles. The U.S. shipyard crisis is preventing a requisite number of submarines, aircraft carriers, and other important warships from being produced at the quantity that is needed to deter China.

Those who disagree with my assessment will point to the fact that China’s Navy is relatively untested in combat. Indeed, they are. So, too, was the U.S. Navy heading into the Second World War. And, like the Americans in WWII, the Chinese have simpler systems in greater quantities that can simply overwhelm the handful of more advanced American warships and submarines, in much the same way the Americans were able to swarm their Axis-Power enemies in the last great war.

If America Doesn’t Repair the Damage, It Will Never Win a Major War

And America has yet to take any meaningful steps to truly ameliorate the ongoing, decades-long shipyard crisis, at a time when China’s shipyards are producing increasingly advanced warships like sausages. When the shooting war between China and America erupts in the Indo-Pacific, U.S. forces will be overwhelmed by the sheer number of lesser advanced, though more numerous, Chinese ships.

China may possess a second-rate Navy in terms of quality. But their number one status in terms of size is all that matters. This was a lesson the Americans once knew well and applied with devastating effects on their enemies. We’ve forgotten that reality.
 
Largest navy that only fires water cannons at Philippines coastguard.....

What a nonsense thread title..... China has a Largest navy that's why it will destroy American navy......

That Largest navy comes nowhere close to technical superiority, combat training and combat experience of American navy.....
 
China may possess a second-rate Navy in terms of quality. But their number one status in terms of size is all that matters. This was a lesson the Americans once knew well and applied with devastating effects on their enemies. We’ve forgotten that reality.

by Brandon J. Weichert

December 2, 2024

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Remember this, frankly, tired old mantra: quantity has a quality of its own. This was something that the Americans once understood. During the Second World War, the United States used its massive advantages as a large industrial power to become the “Arsenal of Democracy.”

We supplied the weapons and equipment needed to keep the overall Allied war effort going, even before the Americans officially entered the war on the side of the Allies after the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, America supplied vital weapons and wartime equipment to the embattled militaries of Britain and the Soviet Union, indeed, the only reason the Soviets were able to overwhelm the Nazis was thanks to the gallant efforts of the U.S. Merchant Marines who ensured that critical U.S. military supplies reached the Red Army.

U.S. Manufacturing is Broken

The United States cannot accomplish a similar task today. Its defense industry is a shambles and has been for decades. Indeed, unless radical reforms are implemented on day one of the new Trump administration, the defense industrial base will continue its slide into absolute obsolescence. Meanwhile, America’s greatest strategic rival, the People’s Republic of China, and even to a lesser degree, the Russian Federation, have spent the last few decades turning themselves into what I like to call the “Arsenals of Autocracy.”

One decisive advantage that China’s “Arsenal of Autocracy” has granted Beijing over Washington is in the arena of shipbuilding. As I recently reported in these pages, the Chinese shipbuilding capacity is officially 232 times greater than that of U.S. shipyards. Because of this tragic reality, China now possesses the world’s largest navy.

This is a serious inflection point in the history of America’s modern navy. Not since before WWII has the American Navy found itself in a similar position. Unlike at that point in history, the U.S. Navy today, from an industrial standpoint, is a spent force whereas back in the WWII era, America had latent industrial capacities that were being activated by the increased demand of the war.

The interesting part of U.S. military technology during WWII, the last major war that the Americans decisively won, is that not all the systems employed by the Americans were the most technologically advanced.

For example, German Wehrmacht Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) were infinitely technologically superior to the U.S.-supplied Sherman MBTs. Yet, the American systems completely overwhelmed their Nazi rivals simply through sheer numbers. The lack of complexity made the Shermans a more desirable platform because they were much easier to quickly assemble by factory workers back home in the United States.

Quantity is All That Matters

American submarines, too, during that war were far less impressive than those of their German Kriegsmarine enemies. Indeed, by the time the Nazis surrendered to the Allies in 1945, according to Proceedings magazine, “Germany surrendered to the Allies a submarine fleet so advanced that no practical defense against it existed at the time.”

Indeed, as Navy Lt. Cmdr. A.N. Glennon wrote in Proceedings back in 1961, “no Navy—including the United States Navy—had submarines that even came close to matching the potency of Germany’s U-Boats until the navies of the victorious Allies radically modernized their submarine forces.”

What killed the Germans throughout the war, as well as the Japanese, and certainly, the Italians, was the fact that the Allies, thanks mainly to the United States, could simply outproduce the platforms of the Axis Powers. Even though many of those German and Japanese systems were significantly more advanced.

Today, the Americans find themselves in the position of the Axis Powers, particularly when it comes to the U.S. Navy. Almost every ship in the U.S. Navy is technically more advanced and complex than those belonging to its potential rivals in either China or Russia, although China is rapidly catching up in terms of capabilities.

But America’s shipyards are a shambles. The U.S. shipyard crisis is preventing a requisite number of submarines, aircraft carriers, and other important warships from being produced at the quantity that is needed to deter China.

Those who disagree with my assessment will point to the fact that China’s Navy is relatively untested in combat. Indeed, they are. So, too, was the U.S. Navy heading into the Second World War. And, like the Americans in WWII, the Chinese have simpler systems in greater quantities that can simply overwhelm the handful of more advanced American warships and submarines, in much the same way the Americans were able to swarm their Axis-Power enemies in the last great war.

If America Doesn’t Repair the Damage, It Will Never Win a Major War

And America has yet to take any meaningful steps to truly ameliorate the ongoing, decades-long shipyard crisis, at a time when China’s shipyards are producing increasingly advanced warships like sausages. When the shooting war between China and America erupts in the Indo-Pacific, U.S. forces will be overwhelmed by the sheer number of lesser advanced, though more numerous, Chinese ships.

China may possess a second-rate Navy in terms of quality. But their number one status in terms of size is all that matters. This was a lesson the Americans once knew well and applied with devastating effects on their enemies. We’ve forgotten that reality.
What USN holds is quality.

Technology perspective, still they are far ahead
 
If not now, will be soon in the future

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What USN holds is quality.

Technology perspective, still they are far ahead
Nah, China will mostly fight on the seas close to their shores so their ASBMs fired from land can overwhelm the USN without the PLAN having to fight alone.

Technology-wise, China is more advanced in Hypersonic Missiles than AmeriKKKa. This century is the Asian Century, and a White Men-dominated USA will decline and Whites will finally fade to insignificance just like the Dark Ages of Europe again...
 
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Statistics of Chinese Navy Amphibious Warfare Boats

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from 教头1927
 
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Speed the video to 1.2x :)
 

Considered the best in the world, 3 China type 055 destroyers trained in various sea regions

March 5, 2025

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BEIJING – Three 055 -type destroyers owned by the Navy of the Chinese Liberation Navy (PLA) recently conducted separate exercises in the Yellow Sea, South Pacific, and the South China Sea.

Experts call the type 055 as the best destroyer in the world in terms of comprehensive capabilities.

Some of these class ships offer tactical flexibility for the PLA Navy in maintaining national sovereignty, security and interests.

“The Nanchang type 055 large destroyer affiliated with one detachment of the Navy Navy Destroyer of the North PLA Theater recently conducted multi-charsus combat exercises with high intensity in the yellow sea independently,” said the PLA Navy in a social media upload on its official wechat account on Sunday (2/3/2025).

According to the PLA Navy, Nanchang did direct shooting exercises that included sea attacks, air defense, anti-submarine warfare, and nuclear defense during the exercise.

Nanchang is not the only 055 type of large destroyer that recently did the exercise.

According to the Australian Defense Department website on Sunday, the PLA Navy Task Force consisting of large -destructive ships type 055 Zunyi, Fregate type 054A Hengyang, and the re -charging ship 903 Weishanhu operates around 570 nautical miles in Southeast Perth.

The China Central Television (CCTV) report recently confirmed Zunyi and two other ships recently carried out combat exercises that featured several courses including refilling at sea and shooting with sharp bullets in the Pacific Ocean.

In other exercises, which were held in the South China Sea, several ships including the Supply Ships of Chaganhu and Qinghahu recently carried out comprehensive combat support exercises, CCTV reported on Tuesday.

Reports showed the third type 055 large -destructive vessel, Yan’an, participated in the exercise, receiving re -filling from one of the supplies.
 

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