Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

[Michael]

What is this, the foreign trade version?
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CG or PS image of FC-31 and J-35A after mixing. Entertainment piece only.

 

[Dalit]

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This fighter jet has the Western intelligence community in a bind.

I was listening yesterday to Dutch news radio. Some so-called Dutch expert was invited to share his opinion on the J-35A. He claimed that J-20 was a failed fighter and the lesser of the two. He absolutely claimed this on live radio. The sheer arrogance and hate from Western countries against China is mind numbing.

China onthult J-35A: 'Nieuwe straaljager moet luchtoverwicht helpen veroveren'

De J-35A moet gaan concurreren met de straaljagers van de Verenigde Staten en de 'strijd om het luchtruim' een stuk spannender maken.

www.bnr.nl

Unfortunately you guys cannot understand Dutch. If you were able to dissect this interview you would understand my point. If these are the defence experts that Western countries rely on... These Western countries are in for an absolute rude awakening with regards to China. They don't even know it themselves yet.

 

[Michael]

This fighter jet has the Western intelligence community in a bind.

I was listening yesterday to Dutch news radio. Some so-called Dutch expert was invited to share his opinion on the J-35A. He claimed that J-20 was a failed fighter and the lesser of the two. He absolutely claimed this on live radio. The sheer arrogance and hate from Western countries against China is mind numbing.

China onthult J-35A: 'Nieuwe straaljager moet luchtoverwicht helpen veroveren'

De J-35A moet gaan concurreren met de straaljagers van de Verenigde Staten en de 'strijd om het luchtruim' een stuk spannender maken.

www.bnr.nl

Unfortunately you guys cannot understand Dutch. If you were able to dissect this interview you would understand my point. If these are the defence experts that Western countries rely on... These Western countries are in for an absolute rude awakening with regards to China. They don't even know it themselves yet.

I think that is your problem and the problem of the vast majority of military enthusiasts.

Military power is the bottom line of national security. No country will publicize its true military strength. They will not release the real data on any of their weapons. And in the international military trade, the weapon data published by the weapon manufacturers is also very different from the real data.

The so-called military experts or think-tank organizations have some special purposes for their existence. The data and analytical reports that they publish have some special purpose behind them. Even when military personnel release some data and reports to the public, they obscure many of them or use false data.

They release these data not to let you know how these weapons perform, but to adjust your views to what they want under the influence of the general climate of public opinion.

Any country does this. So, as military enthusiasts, we need to look at this issue rationally.

 

[Cipher212]

I can see India kiss Trump’s behind to get F-35 sale expedited. But they will be impressive to get a squadron of mk2 by 2035. India is even worse at building planes compared to their disaster at weapon purchase.

I still think they won't do it. No matter what happens. Buying an american fighter will be a trap for them.

 

[Dalit]

I think that is your problem and the problem of the vast majority of military enthusiasts.

Military power is the bottom line of national security. No country will publicize its true military strength. They will not release the real data on any of their weapons. And in the international military trade, the weapon data published by the weapon manufacturers is also very different from the real data.

The so-called military experts or think-tank organizations have some special purposes for their existence. The data and analytical reports that they publish have some special purpose behind them. Even when military personnel release some data and reports to the public, they obscure many of them or use false data.

They release these data not to let you know how these weapons perform, but to adjust your views to what they want under the influence of the general climate of public opinion.

Any country does this. So, as military enthusiasts, we need to look at this issue rationally.

Did you even read what I wrote? The Dutch expert claims that the J-35A is superior to J-20!! He even goes as far to claim that the J-20 is considered a failure.

This isn't some right wing news channel. This is a pretty reputable radio channel in The Netherlands.

 

[Michael]

Did you even read what I wrote? The Dutch expert claims that the J-35A is superior to J-20!! He even goes as far to claim that the J-20 is considered a failure.

This isn't some right wing news channel. This is a pretty reputable radio channel in The Netherlands.

It seems that the opposite is the case and that you are not understanding what I am saying. It could be some difference in expression or way of thinking.
What I said is actually a neutral point of view. It has nothing to do with left or right wing or whether the media is impartial or not. It is simply a reality of the situation.

From a certain point of view, the J-35A is indeed superior to the J-20. today's China is developing very fast, and there is a big time gap between the J-20 and the J-35A, so the view that the J-35A is superior to the J-20 in some aspects is valid. ------The J-20 here refers to earlier versions of the J-20, excluding the latest versions of the J-20 and J20S.

But the view that the J-20 is a failed product is too one-sided or biased on his part. Times are evolving!

 

[UKBengali]

Did you even read what I wrote? The Dutch expert claims that the J-35A is superior to J-20!! He even goes as far to claim that the J-20 is considered a failure.

This isn't some right wing news channel. This is a pretty reputable radio channel in The Netherlands.

In essence purely for air supremacy within its range envelope it could be!

I would not be surprised if the J-35A had lower RCS than J-20.

The two planes complement each other and the roles are not exactly the same.

 

[Michael]

In essence purely for air supremacy within its range envelope it could be!
I would not be surprised if the J-35A had lower RCS than J-20.
The two planes complement each other and the roles are not exactly the same.

PLAAF has positioned the J-20 to seize air power. Its only mission is to clear target airspace and ensure that other fighters do not face a greater threat when they come to clear the ground.
In the Chinese context, we call it “踹门(kicking the door)”. When it opens the door, its job is done, and the other fighters will do the sweeping.

The J-35 series is derived from the FC-31, which was originally positioned as an export-oriented 5th generation fighter. Multi-mission capability is one of its essential elements. Therefore, its basic platform design is more inclined to the balance of various indexes, and then by adjusting the carried avionics system to adapt to various versions for different purposes.

PLAAF version of J-35​

As the J-20 has taken on the task of seizing air power, the PLAAF version of the J35A should focus more on ground-strike capability.​

PLAN version of J-35​

It should be equivalent to the PLAN's J-20, focusing on capturing air power and forming a combined strike capability with the J-15T.​

Foreign trade version of J-35​

In most cases, it should be multi-functional fighter with balanced indicators. Of course, if the customer has special needs, it can be adjusted individually according to the customer's needs.​

So a simple evaluation of who is better or worse between the J-20 and the J-35 is not appropriate. If their RCS metrics are evaluated separately, the J-35A's stealth capability is certainly superior to that of earlier versions of the J-20, judging from the official descriptions. but the newest version of the J20 is not suitable for engaging in comparisons.

 

[Alter_Ego]

The J-20 and the US F-22 Raptor are similar in design except for canards that are present in J-20, and the Chengdu J-10 also known as the "Vigorous Dragon" is similar to the US F-16.

J-20 design is aerodynamically very different from F-22. Only the angular surface design is similar due to radar deflection theory.

PLAAF version of J-35As the J-20 has taken on the task of seizing air power, the PLAAF version of the J35A should focus more on ground-strike capability.

Would that be difficult for a aircraft that carries munition inside its belly and not on external hardpoints?

 

[Michael]

Would that be difficult for a aircraft that carries munition inside its belly and not on external hardpoints?

In fact, I have always believed that the J-35 is not a good fit for the PLAAF. however, the PLAAF has indeed publicly announced the existence of the J-35A.

So, I think there are two main points to focus on.
1, PLAAF announced that it will equip the J-35A in order to help the J-35 series export better. History has shown that it is difficult to export any weapon that PLA does not equip itself.AVIC will export the J-35 series overseas in the future as its fist product, and it will be more convincing for PLAAF to equip J-35A first.
2, PLAAF will buy a certain number of J-35A for small and medium scale special operations, but will not be equipped on a large scale (up to about 100 aircraft).

 

[Deino]

In fact, I have always believed that the J-35 is not a good fit for the PLAAF. however, the PLAAF has indeed publicly announced the existence of the J-35A.

So, I think there are two main points to focus on.
1, PLAAF announced that it will equip the J-35A in order to help the J-35 series export better. History has shown that it is difficult to export any weapon that PLA does not equip itself.AVIC will export the J-35 series overseas in the future as its fist product, and it will be more convincing for PLAAF to equip J-35A first.
2, PLAAF will buy a certain number of J-35A for small and medium scale special operations, but will not be equipped on a large scale (up to about 100 aircraft).

Yes, to be introduced as the "Fourth Musketeer" if I understand it correctly

 

[guangdongt]

Regarding the maneuverability of the J35A, an Air Force spokesperson relayed the experience of test pilots
Very good handling performance, flexible maneuverability, and high comfort

 

[Michael]

Yes, to be introduced as the "Fourth Musketeer" if I understand it correctly

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The J20+J16+J10C is known in China as the “三剑客 Three Musketeers” of the PLAAF. Now the J-35A has been added, so it's called the “四剑客 Four Musketeers”.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

I don't know if it has been discussed here before, but I've noticed a difference in wingspan b/w J-35 & A-35A. The naval J-35 has larger wings compared to the land-based version. Is there any pictorial comparison of the two?

 

[Michael]

I don't know if it has been discussed here before, but I've noticed a difference in wingspan b/w J-35 & A-35A. The naval J-35 has larger wings compared to the land-based version. Is there any pictorial comparison of the two?

There are no more real pictures of the J-35 Navy version.
Currently there are only photos of the model and some very low definition passerby photos.
We are unable to make an accurate comparison.

Maybe @guangdongt could bring a tape measure to the field to measure the J-35 and J-35A models. LOL