Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

[RealNapster]

is it for real? i did not know that

For the J-35 part, is am speculating.

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[Deino]

I mean in all honesty if (big if I know!) there is an export customer surely it HAS to be Pakistan right? I mean if not, then some other country has done an incredibly good job of keeping a new stealth fighter purchase under the radar (if you will excuse the pun!)

No problem my friend, but IMO it is NOT Pakistan! (hopefully you will excuse the pun too!)

If I should wage a bet I would way it is a wealthy country in the ME that was trying to get the F-35 since years, was always denied and was trying to establish an plan B in case it does not ... in parallel this country was steadily deepening its connections with China also in other fields like telecommunications (via Huawei), was purchasing L-15 and is now planning to co-produce the TA-20 ... IMO this all hints towards the UAE!

 

[Yasser76]

No problem my friend, but IMO it is NOT Pakistan! (hopefully you will excuse the pun too!)

If I should wage a bet I would way it is a wealthy country in the ME that was trying to get the F-35 since years, was always denied and was trying to establish an plan B in case it does not ... in parallel this country was steadily deepening its connections with China also in other fields like telecommunications (via Huawei), was purchasing L-15 and is now planning to co-produce the TA-20 ... IMO this all hints towards the UAE!

That makes sense in a way, but I would disagree for several reasons

1) J-35 is not like L-15. This will be a very radical departure for UAE, very radical. Systems, philosophies, weapons, not to speak of integrating into their set up which is almost 100% western. They would be buying a plane unable to fit into their systems
2) US would go ape, and it seems like a strange move considering the lengths the UAE is going to in order to ingratiate themselves with Trump
3) China has been very supportive of Iran diplomatically. China will always act in its self interest but it is utterly bizarre a few weeks after UAE ws bombing Iran China would then provide a stealth strike fighter to UAE
4) UAE is literally in the middle of inducting 80 Rafales, inducting thhe J-35 at the same time may not be physically impossible, but given their manpower I would say it would needlessly stretch them

For the above reasons I would find it very difficult to think it would be the UAE.

 

[Deino]

That makes sense in a way, but I would disagree for several reasons

1) J-35 is not like L-15. This will be a very radical departure for UAE, very radical. Systems, philosophies, weapons, not to speak of integrating into their set up which is almost 100% western. They would be buying a plane unable to fit into their systems
2) US would go ape, and it seems like a strange move considering the lengths the UAE is going to in order to ingratiate themselves with Trump
3) China has been very supportive of Iran diplomatically. China will always act in its self interest but it is utterly bizarre a few weeks after UAE ws bombing Iran China would then provide a stealth strike fighter to UAE
4) UAE is literally in the middle of inducting 80 Rafales, inducting thhe J-35 at the same time may not be physically impossible, but given their manpower I would say it would needlessly stretch them

For the above reasons I would find it very difficult to think it would be the UAE.

I totally agree with you on all points, but as I said, my gut tells me there’s actually more to it this time:

1. For the first time, China has a product for which there is a market.

2. ... and with which—after extensive preparation—it is venturing into the export market. (for the J-10CE the time was not yet right a few years ago, now it likely istoo)

3. Yes, this is a bold move for both China and the UAE.

4. As for the UAE, I am prepared to say that they are taking the plunge for the first time; the time is finally right for this truly radical departure from the status quo—a step that will greatly anger "Uncle Donald" and comes at a high cost.

 

[royalharris]

That makes sense in a way, but I would disagree for several reasons

1) J-35 is not like L-15. This will be a very radical departure for UAE, very radical. Systems, philosophies, weapons, not to speak of integrating into their set up which is almost 100% western. They would be buying a plane unable to fit into their systems
2) US would go ape, and it seems like a strange move considering the lengths the UAE is going to in order to ingratiate themselves with Trump
3) China has been very supportive of Iran diplomatically. China will always act in its self interest but it is utterly bizarre a few weeks after UAE ws bombing Iran China would then provide a stealth strike fighter to UAE
4) UAE is literally in the middle of inducting 80 Rafales, inducting thhe J-35 at the same time may not be physically impossible, but given their manpower I would say it would needlessly stretch them

For the above reasons I would find it very difficult to think it would be the UAE.

I believe the UAE is a strong possibility.

1、 China and the UAE have been steadily strengthening their strategic partnership, as demonstrated by the adoption of Huawei equipment and cooperation on major infrastructure and engineering projects.
2, shortly after the outbreak of the U.S.-Iran conflict, the UAE Prime Minister led a delegation to China and met with President Xi Jinping.
3,China does not take sides in the Middle East; this is not about Iran. If the UAE were attacked instead, China would also issue an official diplomatic statement expressing its support.

 

[Michael]

how so . there is nothing here

Well, truely "identified" or only "a customer is likely confirmed, but we don't know who!"??

Why do you always tease us!?

I'm very sorry. I should have explained it to you.
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In China, all high-ranking officials and technical personnel handling classified information are prohibited from holding passports privately. Ordinary people must surrender their private passports to the relevant authorities upon assuming their positions.

If these personnel need to travel abroad (for official or private reasons), they must first apply to the relevant authorities and obtain permission before their private passports are returned. They must then surrender them again upon returning to China.

This is a legally mandated provision in China and is strictly enforced by relevant law enforcement agencies.
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In this SAC video, a leader presents a passport to a young technician.

This is a common artistic expression used by Chinese state media. It implies that the young technician is about to travel abroad to provide technical support services to clients.

I mean in all honesty if (big if I know!) there is an export customer surely it HAS to be Pakistan right? I mean if not, then some other country has done an incredibly good job of keeping a new stealth fighter purchase under the radar (if you will excuse the pun!)

I can't provide any evidence. If I had to judge based on personal feeling, I think the first client might not have been from Pakistan. But this is just my personal feeling. Please do not overinterpret.

 

[Trailer23]

Whatever became of the Taihang Engine.

Even Janes reported it back 2022.

It would have been nice if such an Engine Design be for the J-35.

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[Deino]

I'm very sorry. I should have explained it to you.
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In China, all high-ranking officials and technical personnel handling classified information are prohibited from holding passports privately. Ordinary people must surrender their private passports to the relevant authorities upon assuming their positions.

If these personnel need to travel abroad (for official or private reasons), they must first apply to the relevant authorities and obtain permission before their private passports are returned. They must then surrender them again upon returning to China.

This is a legally mandated provision in China and is strictly enforced by relevant law enforcement agencies.
=================================================
In this SAC video, a leader presents a passport to a young technician.

This is a common artistic expression used by Chinese state media. It implies that the young technician is about to travel abroad to provide technical support services to clients.

I can't provide any evidence. If I had to judge based on personal feeling, I think the first client might not have been from Pakistan. But this is just my personal feeling. Please do not overinterpret.

Thanks, since it confirms my thought, a customer is likely confirmed, even if its identity not yet!

 

[ChillVein]

J-35A

 

[Yasser76]

I totally agree with you on all points, but as I said, my gut tells me there’s actually more to it this time:

1. For the first time, China has a product for which there is a market.

2. ... and with which—after extensive preparation—it is venturing into the export market. (for the J-10CE the time was not yet right a few years ago, now it likely istoo)

3. Yes, this is a bold move for both China and the UAE.

4. As for the UAE, I am prepared to say that they are taking the plunge for the first time; the time is finally right for this truly radical departure from the status quo—a step that will greatly anger "Uncle Donald" and comes at a high cost.

Accept your point of view but strongly disagree, this would radically change the whole dynamic of Gulf security, and the US intelligence would have wind of this by now.

It would also cut off UAE from the kit they have from the US

 

[Yasser76]

I believe the UAE is a strong possibility.

1、 China and the UAE have been steadily strengthening their strategic partnership, as demonstrated by the adoption of Huawei equipment and cooperation on major infrastructure and engineering projects.
2, shortly after the outbreak of the U.S.-Iran conflict, the UAE Prime Minister led a delegation to China and met with President Xi Jinping.
3,China does not take sides in the Middle East; this is not about Iran. If the UAE were attacked instead, China would also issue an official diplomatic statement expressing its support.

not really, Huawei is doing what they do in UAE around the world.
Yes, China has it's interests and it actually has it's "sides".

 

[Yasser76]

I'm very sorry. I should have explained it to you.
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In China, all high-ranking officials and technical personnel handling classified information are prohibited from holding passports privately. Ordinary people must surrender their private passports to the relevant authorities upon assuming their positions.

If these personnel need to travel abroad (for official or private reasons), they must first apply to the relevant authorities and obtain permission before their private passports are returned. They must then surrender them again upon returning to China.

This is a legally mandated provision in China and is strictly enforced by relevant law enforcement agencies.
=================================================
In this SAC video, a leader presents a passport to a young technician.

This is a common artistic expression used by Chinese state media. It implies that the young technician is about to travel abroad to provide technical support services to clients.

I can't provide any evidence. If I had to judge based on personal feeling, I think the first client might not have been from Pakistan. But this is just my personal feeling. Please do not overinterpret.

I think, if anything, Indonesia, Thailand, KSA and Qatar would be more prime candidates if it was not Pakistan

 

[Oscar]

I think, if anything, Indonesia, Thailand, KSA and Qatar would be more prime candidates if it was not Pakistan

If it is UAE - you can nearly GUARANTEE that India & US will have access to everything they need to know about the aircraft.