Danger of US giving Saudis F35s: Golden opportunity for normalization slipping away? - analysis

[HAIDER]

Try to read my post number 4 in this thread. Jews/Israel has never once attacked KSA in recorded Jewish history. KSA went to war with Israel in 1948 and 1973. No Western supplied weapons were "not allowed" to be used against Israel or malfunctioned or anything else.

A troll post of no value.


That is your baseless claim. That is yet to be seen.

Just like how KSA would never get the Patriots, THAAD, AWACS, F-15 etc.

"KSA wasting its money as usual" by having one of the largest economies in the world, the fastest growing in the G-20, one of the largest sovereign wealth funds exceeding 1 trillion USD, highest industrial growth rate in the world (tourism too) and home to the largest infrastructure projects in the world alongside China?

Some of the highest living standards in the world etc. No taxation, free education and healthcare etc. The horror!

I suggest taking a look at this thread:

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Another troll post. The F15-SA is toothless? One of the most advanced versions of the F-15 in the world with only Israel (for obvious reasons) having better fighter jets currently in the region.

OK. What would you call Pakistan's fighter jets then?


Another genius post.

KSA had an Air Force long before Pakistan was even a country. There have been no foreign pilots in the KSA Air Force since the 1940/50's which were only trainees like with every Air Force in those days. It was never allowed by law for foreigners to even join the KSA military as ordinary foot soldiers let alone pilots!

KSA fighter pilots were training with Italy's (under Mussolini) counterparts when the British were still ruling what is modern-day Pakistan.

"The Saudi pilots training in Italy 1935"—a scene from 'Our Eagles', one of four video wall shows made for the Royal Saudi Air Force Museum.

Royal Saudi Air Force - Wikipedia

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Looking forward to an actual American opinion and not the inferiority ridden troll posts of late. It is between KSA, USA and Israel anyway so others do not matter in this topic.

My dear, US will never allow Egypt and KSA to buy any top of the line Russian system. Egypt first try to buy SU35 , then try J10CE, but US never let them.

 

[_Arabia_]

My dear, US will never allow Egypt and KSA to buy any top of the line Russian system. Egypt first try to buy SU35 , then try J10CE, but US never let them.

What has Egypt to do with KSA or Russian military systems with the topic of this thread?

Which Russian systems should KSA be buying? Have you seen their performance in Ukraine?

The few Russian systems that KSA have and use are more than enough.

I will mention them to you on top of my head since you changed the topic of this thread;

Pantsir-S1/S1M, 9M133 Kornet-EM, TOS-1A, AGS-30 and AK-103. Not that bad and pretty potent Russian systems.

Can you mention a single fighter jet that Russians have AND EXPORT which is superior to the F-35?

 

[HAIDER]

What has Egypt to do with KSA or Russian military systems with the topic of this thread?

Which Russian systems should KSA be buying? Have you seen their performance in Ukraine?

The few Russian systems that KSA have and use are more than enough.

I will mention them to you on top of my head since you changed the topic of this thread;

Pantsir-S1/S1M, 9M133 Kornet-EM, TOS-1A, AGS-30 and AK-103. Not that bad and pretty potent Russian systems.

Can you mention a single fighter jet that Russians have AND EXPORT which is superior to the F-35?

Protect Israel . Most of Russian equipment's are open source. Look at Pakistan. Pakistan air force raise the parallel defense system after learning tough lesson in 1971 arm embargo during war with India. Pakistan raise Russian-Chinese mix technology and later modified those platform according to need.

 

[_Arabia_]

Protect Israel . Most of Russian equipment's are open source. Look at Pakistan. Pakistan air force raise the parallel defense system after learning tough lesson in 1971 arm embargo during war with India. Pakistan raise Russian-Chinese mix technology and later modified those platform according to need.

What has this to do with the topic of this thread?

Go read my post number 4. In 3000 years of recorded Jewish history, not once has Israel/Jews attacked Arabia/KSA. Nor will they do so today or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.

And if they do, they will attack with the US and no regional country can do much about it. Look at your beloved Iran.

Anyway it is not difficult to attack anybody, almost every country can do that, it is a question if you can sustain such an attack, win the war/conflict etc. without the cost to yourself being too high.

Simply put, the only thing that Israel can do to KSA is destroy infrastructure, never actually invade, annex etc. any land and not without an extremely high cost for Israel itself. KSA and Israel, although no direct border, are very close to each other. KSA's missile arsenal alone can inflict enormous harm on Israel.

 

[HAIDER]

What has this to do with the topic of this thread?

Go read my post number 4. In 3000 years of recorded Jewish history, not once has Israel/Jews attacked Arabia/KSA. Nor will they do so today or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.

And if they do, they will attack with the US and no regional country can do much about it. Look at your beloved Iran.

Anyway it is not difficult to attack anybody, almost every country can do that, it is a question if you can sustain such an attack, win the war/conflict etc. without the cost to yourself being too high.

Simply put, the only thing that Israel can do to KSA is destroy infrastructure, never actually invade, annex etc. any land and not without an extremely high cost for Israel itself. KSA and Israel, although no direct border, are very close to each other. KSA's missile arsenal alone can inflict enormous harm on Israel.

I think now you polluted all your post with sectarianism or Iran etc .. I don t want to indulge such discussion. Otherwise lot to say about KSA role for decades of Palestinian massacre and lot more.

 

[_Arabia_]

I think now you polluted all your post with sectarianism or Iran etc .. I don t want to indulge such discussion. Otherwise lot to say about KSA role for decades of Palestinian massacre and lot more.

You are hallucinating. Nowhere have I mentioned sects even for a single time in this thread. The usual complexes from this lot.

You are the one going off-topic and writing outright nonsense several posts in a row.

I just told you what Israel and the US did to your favorite regime in the region this summer .

 

[HAIDER]

You are hallucinating. Nowhere have I mentioned sects even for a single time in this thread.

You are the one going off-topic and writing outright nonsense several posts in a row.

I just told you what Israel and the US did to your favorite regime in the region this summer .

read your post against and try realize why Saudi are way behind even after having trillions of Assets in western banks. ....lolllll
My favorite regime is Saudis

 

[_Arabia_]

read your post against and try realize why Saudi are way behind even after having trillions of Assets in western banks. ....lolllll

More nonsense from the usual troll. Way behind, by having one of the largest economies in the world, fastest growing G-20 member state, fastest growing industrial output in the world, second largest infrastructure projects in the world after China and USA?

KSA is LIGHTYEARS ahead of most countries. You have no clue as usual.

Maybe go wonder why millions of your compatriots are desperate to go to KSA and why we host the largest community in the world.

KSA does not have "trillions of assets" in the West, more unsubstantiated nonsense lies as usual.

Are you done trolling in this thread or is the prospect of KSA getting the best fighter jet out there (F-35) that outsiders (non-Americans) can buy, causing you a breakdown?

Get used to it, KSA is only going to advance/grow stronger on every front by each month. We had a US president (Biden - most powerful position in the world) talking about turning KSA into a pariah, how did that go? Nonsense/trolling from nobodies on an online forum, does not compare so carry on!

 

[Aziqbal]

American F35 Lot 17 Block 4 won't have GaN ASEA radars until 2028

that's the APG-85 with range of 220km+

Chinese J35 will have GaN- SiC radars by 2028 range of 300km+

why buy American junk when Chinese are ahead ?

to score political points ?

we know that policy is a big failure just look at Qatar

 

[_Arabia_]

American F35 Lot 17 Block 4 won't have GaN ASEA radars until 2028

that's the APG-85 with range of 220km+

Chinese J35 will have GaN- SiC radars by 2028 range of 300km+

why buy American junk when Chinese are ahead ?

to score political points ?

we know that policy is a big failure just look at Qatar

LOL. F-35 (with a specific superior version to the standard version for KSA like the F-15SA most likely as per the rumors) is now junk?

Can we stop mention not proven Chinese systems that are yet to be tested in battle?

And in which world is the Shenyang J-35 superior to F-35?

What policy is a failure? And why are you comparing tiny Qatar (around 200 times smaller than KSA) with KSA?

Last time I checked nobody is attacking/invading KSA, despite having the 3rd biggest natural resources in the world



and KSA remains an incredibly stable and prosperous nation, so it seems that this "policy" (whatever that is referring to) is working very well for us.

 

[HAIDER]

American F35 Lot 17 Block 4 won't have GaN ASEA radars until 2028

that's the APG-85 with range of 220km+

Chinese J35 will have GaN- SiC radars by 2028 range of 300km+

why buy American junk when Chinese are ahead ?

to score political points ?

we know that policy is a big failure just look at Qatar

Western banks and govt only allowed to finance Western products. Like Egypt IMF stopped them to buy SU35. If they want to buy something at choice and will, first they need to build fully independent financial system without any foreign influence and which is not possible for any 3rd world Muslim countries. Read the case of BCCI, you will get all your answers.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Looking forward to an actual American opinion and not the inferiority ridden troll posts of late. It is between KSA, USA and Israel anyway so others do not matter in this topic.

Suggest then everyone keep the troll posts to a minimum. Awards for such can vary.

Not calling you out specifically. Just as a friendly PSA to those who just can't seem to help themselves.

 

[_Arabia_]

Suggest then everyone keep the troll posts to a minimum. Awards for such can vary.

Not calling you out specifically. Just as a friendly PSA to those who just can't seem to help themselves.

Zero trolling from my part. Instead we have a few users here whose post have zero value, off-topic in nature and in general full of ignorance.

Any way, I am more interested in the opinions of Americans in terms of what I wrote earlier in this thread and the topic itself.

 

[_Arabia_]

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For all we know this could have been signed back in May this year already before going public now pending final approval.

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Which could explain Lockheed Martin setting up its regional headquarters in KSA.

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In addition to very recent joint KSA-USA military exercises in California of all places.

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"The mixed exercise maneuvers "Quincy-1" have commenced between the Saudi Arabian army and its American counterpart at Fort Irwin Military Base (California), to enhance operational readiness, exchange expertise, and integrate in executing joint operations in diverse combat environments."

I think that something is brewing, too many coincidences, too much noise, but final/official news will likely first emerge after MbS visits Abu Ivanka in 9-10 days time.

I would not even put it past that KSA-Israel could sign some kind of peace deal/KSA recognizing Israel for the first time if certain key conditions (1 of which is a Palestinian state or irreversible steps toward a Palestinian statehood in the short term) are met as unlikely as that is with the current regime in power in Israel. I don't believe that will occur at all but given how strange the world is nowadays, nothing can be ruled out completely.

Find it hard to believe that the Israeli lobby would accept KSA of all countries getting the F-35 "without a fight" given their control/high influence of US foreign policy.

 

[_Arabia_]

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