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GoMig-21
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Man, what has the world come to, fellas? Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 and AKINCI UCAV with Egyptian tail flags and Air Force roundels at EDEX? The love affair is blooming way beyond just Erdogan & Sisi. You weren't kidding about this news, SC?!
GoMig-21
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Found some pretty neat CGIs of EAF F-16s, loaded with AIM-9s and what appears to be JSOW cruise missiles lol.
EAF should be able to integrate & fire the SCALP EG from the F-16 Block 52s. Only if they had an abundant surplus of them to go around between the Vipers and the Bursts. Or get some ToT on them and build them in-country. There's a greater chance of seeing Bigfoot and hitting the lottery on the same day than Egypt producing the SCALP EG locally or integrating it onto any of the F-16s for that matter.
Wonder if the interest in the Pakistani RAAD cruise missile ever developed beyond just interest. Either way, I don't think even Pakistan was able to integrate the RAAD on any of their F-16s because that's just not something the US allows any country to do to its jets except for the zionist entity that owns every politician in this great country. Can't wait to see that aspect finally change.
For now, the EAF would need to adapt any indigenously produced CM on its MiG-29M/M2s only. Maybe the French would allow some integration on the Rafales but it would be much more difficult. We'll have to keep an eye on the EAF's request to locally assemble the Rafale like India will eventually be doing. What a feat that would be if it ever materialized. Hallawa zay el 3assal!
EAF should be able to integrate & fire the SCALP EG from the F-16 Block 52s. Only if they had an abundant surplus of them to go around between the Vipers and the Bursts. Or get some ToT on them and build them in-country. There's a greater chance of seeing Bigfoot and hitting the lottery on the same day than Egypt producing the SCALP EG locally or integrating it onto any of the F-16s for that matter.
Wonder if the interest in the Pakistani RAAD cruise missile ever developed beyond just interest. Either way, I don't think even Pakistan was able to integrate the RAAD on any of their F-16s because that's just not something the US allows any country to do to its jets except for the zionist entity that owns every politician in this great country. Can't wait to see that aspect finally change.
For now, the EAF would need to adapt any indigenously produced CM on its MiG-29M/M2s only. Maybe the French would allow some integration on the Rafales but it would be much more difficult. We'll have to keep an eye on the EAF's request to locally assemble the Rafale like India will eventually be doing. What a feat that would be if it ever materialized. Hallawa zay el 3assal!
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The US Army awarded a contract to Boeing to produce 12 new CH-47F Chinooks for the Egyptian Air Force. Through this $426 million foreign military deal, Egypt will replace its fleet of CH-47D aircraft with the modern F model, and benefit from its advanced multi-mission capabilities. As reported by Boeing on its website.
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Egypt reportedly signed a deal with Italy in 2019 to purchase (24) AW-149 multi-military role helicopters + (8) AW-189 helicopters.
GoMig-21
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Tall order, lol. One thing to request a pair of AIP subs but a whole other ballgame to request 6 nuclear powered Barracudas and for $5 billion which Navale Group wants to fill them all with an additional $1 billion worth of cruise missiles. A sub that is essentially an intercontinental ballistic submarine and Sisi wants 6 of them!
Even though this fella mentions the 62% stake the French government has in Navale Groupe, he doesn't mention that the French minister of defense is completely against this deal, sighting the region is way too volatile and this could inflame an eruption.
It sounds like Macron is at least hearing things out. You would think so after getting stiffed on the mega Australian sub deal by the US and the UK. I'm sure he's thinking of burning them by finding a way to make this work.
Problem is, Egypt is in rough economic shape ATM with a sizeable debt of $400 billion and the Houthis aren't making things easier either. With all the dealings Sisi is doing with Qatar & Hamas to end the massacre in Gaza without allowing the Palestinians to purge into Sinai might earn him some relief on that huge debt.
If this somehow goes through, even for just 1 or 2 subs with the CMs, there shouldn't be any excuses on the Meteors from hereon lol. And how much is the aircraft carrier with 24 Rafale Ms? lmmmaaaaooooo.
Indos
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Is it true ? Pakistan second ? Very unlikely. Based on Sipri, India is number one for many years, unlikely India is behind Pakistan and Qatar.
We should be careful on information like this, every body can make it.
GoMig-21
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You make a good point. These numbers do fluctuate from year to year and this is not the military budget, but arms imports & contracts they signed. You also have to take into account financial military aid that is also added in with the respective countries. For example, Egypt gets the $1.3 Billion/year from the US which is figured into that since they have to spend it.
India might've concentrated on domestic ventures more so than importing weapons, or are still negotiating with no deal yet like with the Rafale-Ms. Not sure what Pakistan has bought, the J-10Cs? Maybe some of the Pakistani members can shed more light on that but one thing for sure is the number 1 spot is clearly correct with all the donated military aid to Ukraine.
I forget where I saw that, but I'll try and backtrack to get more info.
This link here shows India in 1st, Egypt in 6th and Pakistan in 8th but it's for the period between 2018 and 2022. Ukraine is not in there but most of the same countries are, like Japan, Qatar, Saudiya & the UAE while others like China, Australia & South Korea are mentioned. I'm sure it differs from year to year.
GoMig-21
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@Indos
I found the source of that graph. It was from Mahmoud Gamal who is usually on the money and even makes corrections as he sees them, which he did in this case and something I did miss.
So it turns out the period is from 2019 - 2023 and not just for the 2023 year. But the reference is only for Egypt's spot in 7th. The same period pertains to the rest of the countries but some of them are not in the correct spot, particularly India as you pointed out. It is in fact in 1st place. Not sure about Pakistan in 2nd, though.
The translation from his Arabic quote:
The translation from Arabic:
The Stockholm Peace Research Institute report indicates a decrease in Russian arms exports from 2019 to 2023 by 53% compared to the period from 2014 to 2018.The main reason behind this decline is due to the Russian-Ukrainian war and its consequences, in addition to the severe restrictions imposed on Russian arms exports even before the outbreak of the war, including the implementation of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).The number of countries that obtained weapons from Russia following the Ukrainian war decreased to only 12 countries in 2023, compared to about 31 countries before the war.At a time when the United States continues to maintain its first position, occupying the largest percentage of the global arms market at a rate of more than 42%.France, on the other hand, rose to second place among the five largest arms exporting countries around the world (11% of the global market). The reason for this is Russia’s fall to third place and the growth achieved by French arms exports by up to 47% in the same period. This is due to the global demand for French defense industries, mainly aviation and naval vessels, and specifically the significant increase in sales of the advanced fourth generation Rafale 4.5 fighters worldwide. India has displaced the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and risen to first place as the largest arms importing country in the world, accounting for 9.8% of total arms sales globally. This is despite the fact that India manufactures and develops a large part of its needs of weapons systems, but its military industry is still immature to rely on. Overall, at the same time, India faces many growing threats and challenges imposed on it by geopolitical reality, which prompts it to move forward in modernizing its military power in a qualitative and rapid manner. We go to the Middle East region, where arms imports to the countries of the region decreased by 12%, while some of these countries still maintain their position in the global market, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which rose to the first places in the list of countries importing weapons worldwide, while Israel’s imports increased significantly. In the same period (by a ratio of 5.1 %) , the United States and Germany accounted for the largest percentage of arms sales to Israel, which varied between thousands of different air and land munitions, air defense systems and their munitions, combat aircraft, naval vessels, and mainly submarines, while it decreased Israel's arms exports exceed 25%.Here it is worth noting that Egypt’s arms imports decreased in the same period by about 26% compared to the period from 2014 to 2018, as it fell from third place among the top 10 arms importing countries to seventh place in the period from 2018 to 2023. The institute’s report stated that Egypt is By strengthening its military power by possessing “long-range military capabilities,” to enable it to deal with the growing threats surrounding it, most notably the Renaissance Dam crisis with Ethiopia, the security and military tensions in Sudan, and maritime disputes in the Eastern Mediterranean region.While Qatar increased its arms imports in the period from 2019-2023 by 396% compared to the period from 2014 to 2018, making it currently the third largest arms importing country in the world with a percentage of 7.6% of the global market, and we recently witnessed the amount of military deals. The massive agreement concluded by Qatar, which brought together Rafale, Typhoon, and F-15QA fighter aircraft, various missile and defense systems, and naval vessels, mainly from Italy, including an amphibious landing and support ship (LPD), corvettes, and traffic and coastal patrol vessels. We go to European arms imports, which increased by 94% in the period from 2019-2023 compared to the period from 2014-2018, capturing about 21% of global market sales. The main reason is due to several European countries changing their strategy towards rearmament and raising their military spending to reach more. Of 2% of its total GDP, with the aim of raising its efficiency and modernizing its military capabilities in the wake of the war in Ukraine and the growing Russian threats. Speaking of the Russian-Ukrainian war, Ukraine occupied fourth place as the largest country that witnessed arms sales and transfers to it, as 31 countries provided Ukraine with direct military support, in the form of aid, the cost of which Ukraine does not bear, but which in return is borne by the supporting countries, most notably the United States, which provided More than $40 billion in military aid alone, other than European countries, led by France, Britain, and Germany.
I found the source of that graph. It was from Mahmoud Gamal who is usually on the money and even makes corrections as he sees them, which he did in this case and something I did miss.
So it turns out the period is from 2019 - 2023 and not just for the 2023 year. But the reference is only for Egypt's spot in 7th. The same period pertains to the rest of the countries but some of them are not in the correct spot, particularly India as you pointed out. It is in fact in 1st place. Not sure about Pakistan in 2nd, though.
The translation from his Arabic quote:
Then there's this regarding the shift of top arms exports which has an effect on the imports of many countries, specifically those who dealt with Russia and now can't because of CAATSA. It's mentioned in this tweet. It also mentions India in 1st place which I bolded, so you are on the right track. That graph might have correct positions, but it also seems to have incorrect ones. That's why it's good to discuss these things and not just shy away from posting them. We can always get down to the truth so it's not such a bad thing.
The translation from Arabic:
The Stockholm Peace Research Institute report indicates a decrease in Russian arms exports from 2019 to 2023 by 53% compared to the period from 2014 to 2018.The main reason behind this decline is due to the Russian-Ukrainian war and its consequences, in addition to the severe restrictions imposed on Russian arms exports even before the outbreak of the war, including the implementation of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).The number of countries that obtained weapons from Russia following the Ukrainian war decreased to only 12 countries in 2023, compared to about 31 countries before the war.At a time when the United States continues to maintain its first position, occupying the largest percentage of the global arms market at a rate of more than 42%.France, on the other hand, rose to second place among the five largest arms exporting countries around the world (11% of the global market). The reason for this is Russia’s fall to third place and the growth achieved by French arms exports by up to 47% in the same period. This is due to the global demand for French defense industries, mainly aviation and naval vessels, and specifically the significant increase in sales of the advanced fourth generation Rafale 4.5 fighters worldwide. India has displaced the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and risen to first place as the largest arms importing country in the world, accounting for 9.8% of total arms sales globally. This is despite the fact that India manufactures and develops a large part of its needs of weapons systems, but its military industry is still immature to rely on. Overall, at the same time, India faces many growing threats and challenges imposed on it by geopolitical reality, which prompts it to move forward in modernizing its military power in a qualitative and rapid manner. We go to the Middle East region, where arms imports to the countries of the region decreased by 12%, while some of these countries still maintain their position in the global market, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which rose to the first places in the list of countries importing weapons worldwide, while Israel’s imports increased significantly. In the same period (by a ratio of 5.1 %) , the United States and Germany accounted for the largest percentage of arms sales to Israel, which varied between thousands of different air and land munitions, air defense systems and their munitions, combat aircraft, naval vessels, and mainly submarines, while it decreased Israel's arms exports exceed 25%.Here it is worth noting that Egypt’s arms imports decreased in the same period by about 26% compared to the period from 2014 to 2018, as it fell from third place among the top 10 arms importing countries to seventh place in the period from 2018 to 2023. The institute’s report stated that Egypt is By strengthening its military power by possessing “long-range military capabilities,” to enable it to deal with the growing threats surrounding it, most notably the Renaissance Dam crisis with Ethiopia, the security and military tensions in Sudan, and maritime disputes in the Eastern Mediterranean region.While Qatar increased its arms imports in the period from 2019-2023 by 396% compared to the period from 2014 to 2018, making it currently the third largest arms importing country in the world with a percentage of 7.6% of the global market, and we recently witnessed the amount of military deals. The massive agreement concluded by Qatar, which brought together Rafale, Typhoon, and F-15QA fighter aircraft, various missile and defense systems, and naval vessels, mainly from Italy, including an amphibious landing and support ship (LPD), corvettes, and traffic and coastal patrol vessels. We go to European arms imports, which increased by 94% in the period from 2019-2023 compared to the period from 2014-2018, capturing about 21% of global market sales. The main reason is due to several European countries changing their strategy towards rearmament and raising their military spending to reach more. Of 2% of its total GDP, with the aim of raising its efficiency and modernizing its military capabilities in the wake of the war in Ukraine and the growing Russian threats. Speaking of the Russian-Ukrainian war, Ukraine occupied fourth place as the largest country that witnessed arms sales and transfers to it, as 31 countries provided Ukraine with direct military support, in the form of aid, the cost of which Ukraine does not bear, but which in return is borne by the supporting countries, most notably the United States, which provided More than $40 billion in military aid alone, other than European countries, led by France, Britain, and Germany.
GoMig-21
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This is crazy, bro! I can't figure out the way he danced around the topic if they're proceeding with the entire Italian mega deal that was offered in what, 2021-2022 I think it was...? or just the 24 Typhoons out of that package? It sounds like just the jets for now, right?
It gets even more complicated when he mentioned the package included the 4 to 6 Bergamini FREMM frigates of which the EN has already acquired 2. So they already dipped into the package complicating the whole thing haha.
Then there's the 20 Aermacchi M-346 trainers, the 20 OPV patrol ships and the military satellite. That's a huge package and hard to tell if they're cherry-picking the Typhoons for now since they already cherry-picked the 2 Bergaminis out of the package or are they going for the gusto and filling the whole order? He did say we should expect the EAF to receive 24 Typhoons sometime soon so at least we know that much, but he still drives me crazy.
They probably would've fulfilled the entire deal originally in 2022 if the Julio Regeni case wasn't floating over everyone's head causing friction and grinding at the Italian government from the Italian people. Most don't know this, but that was the major obstacle to this mega deal not materializing the first time it was announced and is now being revisited.
Not sure what an Italian, university of Cambridge PHD student was doing in Egypt studying its labor union laws?! Pretty bizarre but maybe it was research for his PHD degree, and he was at the wrong place and the wrong time. My guess is he stuck his nose into places it didn't belong and suffered the unfortunate consequences. Still doesn't justify the guy getting murdered. They said he was captured by Egyptian security services probably at the behest of Al Mukhabarat and we all know those guys don't **** around and you want to avoid them at all cost lol. But apparently they found his body bruised & battered showing undeniable signs of torture. His family made a huge deal out of his death in the Italian press (and who can blame them?) and that is the crux of the delay and complication to this mega Italian arms deal.
So according to this article published in September of 2022, the EAF is insisting on not only a NON-DOWNGRADED EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON, BUT ALSO THE METEOR BVR MISSILE must also be part of the weapons package deal for the aircraft.
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi is committed to acquiring the Eurofighter Typhoon from Italy to further diversify and modernize the Egyptian Air Force (EAF), despite the recent procurement of Rafale jets. The Typhoon sale is part of a $12 billion arms mega-deal between Italy and Egypt, which also includes warships. While pursuing the deal, Cairo is anxiously trying to prevent the U.S. from sabotaging the Typhoon talks to maintain Israel's Qualitative Military Edge (QME). Egypt wants an “un-downgraded” Typhoon and the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM).
So that's good to know that not only is Egypt fighting the US' ridiculous insistence on all advanced weapons to Egypt be downgraded in order to protect the zionist, but fighting for the inclusion of the Meteor. This is good.
So it should basically look like this:
Not a fan of the dark-colored radome, but if that's the way it needs to be for the Captor-E AESA radar to properly beam in & out, so be it. Ain't gonna complain about form over such a critical function. Let's hope the CAPTOR-E is now standard with the EFT2000 which begs the question, would these be Tranche-3 or 4 Typhoons? What do you think, SC?
The other cool thing he mentioned is that it will be the first time an air force will deploy two different delta/canard platforms simultaneously. Between the Rafale and the Typhoon, there's some serious technological power. Even both aircraft have incredibly advance EW & defensive suites in the Rafale's SPECTRA and the Typhoon's Praetorian DASS. And being that both of these aircraft have such advanced avionics technology, it would be great to see the EAF step it up and start taking advantage of all this technology such as the EFT's JHMCS. Let's see the lucky guys who end up flying these machines use these things.
The new Typhoon integrated helmet is insane. If they're getting all these goodies, might as well use them to their full potential, right?
This is pretty much the new thing beyond helmet mounted cuing system where it's actually Helmet Mounted Symbology System. Just like the F-35 helmet, it basically allows the pilot to see right through the body of the aircraft, giving him a vital advantage when it comes to split-second decision-making. EAF Rafale pilots should have these too. If you're going to spend $12 billion of such a massive weapons package, why not divert some of those tremendous funds to something that will allow the users to extract full capabilities of those weapons? Seems like a no-brainer to me. The EAF MiG-29 pilots get to use the monocle with their helmets to better assist in firing the R-73 during high boresight shots.
How the HMSS works: Pilot can now look at multiple targets, lock-on to them, and then, by voice-command, prioritize them.
Cockpit ergonomics look good, Maybe the ejection chord is a bit too small lol. Putting it in that position forced them to make it small but eeesh, can a gloved hand even make 4 fingers into that loop?
The SC
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Marker..your preferred youtuber also confirmed at least the Typhoon deal! I've posted his video in the Middle East section under the Egyptian strategic projects..This is crazy, bro! I can't figure out the way he danced around the topic if they're proceeding with the entire Italian mega deal that was offered in what, 2021-2022 I think it was...? or just the 24 Typhoons out of that package? It sounds like just the jets for now, right?
It gets even more complicated when he mentioned the package included the 4 to 6 Bergamini FREMM frigates of which the EN has already acquired 2. So they already dipped into the package complicating the whole thing haha.
Then there's the 20 Aermacchi M-346 trainers, the 20 OPV patrol ships and the military satellite. That's a huge package and hard to tell if they're cherry-picking the Typhoons for now since they already cherry-picked the 2 Bergaminis out of the package or are they going for the gusto and filling the whole order? He did say we should expect the EAF to receive 24 Typhoons sometime soon so at least we know that much, but he still drives me crazy.
They probably would've fulfilled the entire deal originally in 2022 if the Julio Regeni case wasn't floating over everyone's head causing friction and grinding at the Italian government from the Italian people. Most don't know this, but that was the major obstacle to this mega deal not materializing the first time it was announced and is now being revisited.
Not sure what an Italian, university of Cambridge PHD student was doing in Egypt studying its labor union laws?! Pretty bizarre but maybe it was research for his PHD degree, and he was at the wrong place and the wrong time. My guess is he stuck his nose into places it didn't belong and suffered the unfortunate consequences. Still doesn't justify the guy getting murdered. They said he was captured by Egyptian security services probably at the behest of Al Mukhabarat and we all know those guys don't **** around and you want to avoid them at all cost lol. But apparently they found his body bruised & battered showing undeniable signs of torture. His family made a huge deal out of his death in the Italian press (and who can blame them?) and that is the crux of the delay and complication to this mega Italian arms deal.
So according to this article published in September of 2022, the EAF is insisting on not only a NON-DOWNGRADED EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON, BUT ALSO THE METEOR BVR MISSILE must also be part of the weapons package deal for the aircraft.
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi is committed to acquiring the Eurofighter Typhoon from Italy to further diversify and modernize the Egyptian Air Force (EAF), despite the recent procurement of Rafale jets. The Typhoon sale is part of a $12 billion arms mega-deal between Italy and Egypt, which also includes warships. While pursuing the deal, Cairo is anxiously trying to prevent the U.S. from sabotaging the Typhoon talks to maintain Israel's Qualitative Military Edge (QME). Egypt wants an “un-downgraded” Typhoon and the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM).
So that's good to know that not only is Egypt fighting the US' ridiculous insistence on all advanced weapons to Egypt be downgraded in order to protect the zionist, but fighting for the inclusion of the Meteor. This is good.
So it should basically look like this:
View attachment 29597
Not a fan of the dark-colored radome, but if that's the way it needs to be for the Captor-E AESA radar to properly beam in & out, so be it. Ain't gonna complain about form over such a critical function. Let's hope the CAPTOR-E is now standard with the EFT2000 which begs the question, would these be Tranche-3 or 4 Typhoons? What do you think, SC?
The other cool thing he mentioned is that it will be the first time an air force will deploy two different delta/canard platforms simultaneously. Between the Rafale and the Typhoon, there's some serious technological power. Even both aircraft have incredibly advance EW & defensive suites in the Rafale's SPECTRA and the Typhoon's Praetorian DASS. And being that both of these aircraft have such advanced avionics technology, it would be great to see the EAF step it up and start taking advantage of all this technology such as the EFT's JHMCS. Let's see the lucky guys who end up flying these machines use these things.
The new Typhoon integrated helmet is insane. If they're getting all these goodies, might as well use them to their full potential, right?
View attachment 29607
This is pretty much the new thing beyond helmet mounted cuing system where it's actually Helmet Mounted Symbology System. Just like the F-35 helmet, it basically allows the pilot to see right through the body of the aircraft, giving him a vital advantage when it comes to split-second decision-making. EAF Rafale pilots should have these too. If you're going to spend $12 billion of such a massive weapons package, why not divert some of those tremendous funds to something that will allow the users to extract full capabilities of those weapons? Seems like a no-brainer to me. The EAF MiG-29 pilots get to use the monocle with their helmets to better assist in firing the R-73 during high boresight shots.
How the HMSS works: Pilot can now look at multiple targets, lock-on to them, and then, by voice-command, prioritize them.
View attachment 29611
Cockpit ergonomics look good, Maybe the ejection chord is a bit too small lol. Putting it in that position forced them to make it small but eeesh, can a gloved hand even make 4 fingers into that loop?
View attachment 29620
You know that deal got very close to be signed last year pending the signature of the Italian prime minister.. and now there was a strategic comprehensive relationship signed with Europe..including Italy!!!.. and an MOU with Ficantieri shipyards for transfer of technology and manufacturing ships in Alexandria shipyards.. that might confirm the 20 some OPVs and maybe even the Berghamini (a logical step after the Gowind-2500 and MEKO-200)..
The Tranch of of the typhoon.. to be honest Bro..I can't say more than Leonardo:
https://aircraft.leonardo.com/en/products/eurofighter-typhoon
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