Elon Musk hints Tesla FSD for China may be possible very soon

[RealNapster]

The 2 million Tesla cars on Chinese roads already do use cameras. However all uploads/downloads are from a Chinese controlled server (which BTW is probably also funneling the videos to Tesla's competitors)

They can stop the car uploads once FSD is considered acceptable. The uploads are only to train the driving software on local "rules of the road". The AI on a supercomputer uses the video to generate new software releases which are downloaded every few weeks by the car. After the software is deemed "good enough" the video/data uploads will be stopped as the car's computer handles things on its own using the last downloaded version without any internet connection needed.

Plus any security concerns with the video already taken can be handled by a third party Chinese company that could "blur out" anything not road related. Similar to what Google Maps does.

In fact I bet Elon Musk has already had that blur software written.


Nope! They made sure their FSD strategy will be autonomous with no uploading/downloading needed. It will work with no internet access to Tesla's servers..so no espionage claims will be valid. Only a generic download link to Baidu maps is needed to figure out where the streets are (car already has BeiDou GPS) and pretty much all cars in China also already have this too...so this isn't some potential showstopper.

However those other companies (ie Chinese ones) that pushed and pushed and pushed the need for LiDAR will be screwed when they attempt to have it work worldwide. LiDAR systems require uploading/downloading to work continuously to stream in/out pre-generated LiDAR maps to compare to the ones generated on-the-fly by the car. They will all have to play the grueling "yes we are uploading potentially sensitive data" game while Tesla gets a totally free pass.

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Elon Musk was WAY ahead of everybody else in thinking FSD through. He knew countries would try to throw the security risk thing at him and he headed them off by taking an incredibly hard route using just vision to get around it...a route many said was impossible without LiDAR.

Now he is in China..telling them he has his autonomous FSD system working ...and it isn't going to be a security risk.

Then he will be bouncing around to other countries of the world..and Tesla will be like Apple with the 1st release of the iPhone and have a huge headstart on everybody...and he is also thinking of taking over world taxi services too.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/05/business/elon-musk-tesla-robotaxi-august-8/index.html

Elon Musk announces Tesla will unveil a ‘robotaxi’ on August 8​

Tesla to take on Uber? EV maker shares glimpse of robo taxi app that will let you summon driverless cabs - BusinessToday

The Tesla app will allow passengers to customise their ride by setting the vehicle's climate to their preference before it arrives. Additional features include displaying wait times and the maximum capacity of the vehicle

www.businesstoday.in

Tesla to take on Uber? EV maker shares glimpse of robo taxi app that will let you summon driverless cabs​

Countries with UBER in 2023

That's a big market for Tesla. No payment overhead to a driver means much lowered cost.

I like your detailed answer

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I like your detailed answer

When FSD is enabled in China there is going to be an upheaval.

I have used it every day for the last month and it is amazing.

While I don't expect it to work perfectly on day one it will still be seen as a magic carpet ride for the close to 2 million current Tesla owners. Their chatter on social networks about it will be the best Tesla advertising.

Expect new Tesla sales to jump.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Tesla App in China now says "coming soon" for FSD.

 

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Yikes!! Partnering with Baidu? Hell no! @F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote

Musk sold out to China again just so Tesla's stock could jump a measly 10%. It's only a matter of time before China copies and steals the algorithm and eventually kicks Tesla out of China. Musk must be one of the dumbest mfs on the planet. This is how companies lose their technological edge against China, seen it happen a hundred times and they still make the same mistake.

@Hamartia Antidote You clearly know more about these things so I'm asking you if you think this is a good move by Musk? I'm not feeling it, major red flag imo!!!

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Yikes!! Partnering with Baidu? Hell no!

This is not anything new...they've been using Baidu maps for years...remember Google maps (and other Western mapping companies) aren't available in China due to security risks.

Jan 18, 2020

Tesla to change Chinese map data service provider from Tencent to Baidu

Tesla announced on Friday that Tesla's map data service provider will switch to Baidu Maps. At present, Tesla uses Tencent maps in China, and its bad

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Tesla announced on Friday that Tesla's map data service provider will switch to Baidu Maps. At present, Tesla uses Tencent maps in China, and its bad experience has been frequently criticized by users.

Even Apple has to use a Chinese map company on their phones

AutoNavi - Wikipedia

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...is a Chinese web mapping, navigation and location-based services provider, founded in 2001.
AutoNavi provides mapping data of China and Taiwan for Apple Maps, which was introduced with iOS 6

Musk sold out to China again just so Tesla's stock could jump a measly 10%. It's only a matter of time before China copies and steals the algorithm and eventually kicks Tesla out of China.

If FSD ends up working as well in China as it does in the US we should expect Tesla sales in China to jump

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

This is not anything new...they've been using Baidu maps for years...remember Google maps (and other Western mapping companies) aren't available in China due to security risks.

Jan 18, 2020

Tesla to change Chinese map data service provider from Tencent to Baidu

Tesla announced on Friday that Tesla's map data service provider will switch to Baidu Maps. At present, Tesla uses Tencent maps in China, and its bad

cnevpost.com

Even Apple has to use a Chinese map company on their phones

AutoNavi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If FSD ends up working as well in China as it does in the US we should expect Tesla sales in China to jump

What concerns me more is the possibility of the CCP stealing Tesla's software and algorithm. I doubt the CCP would approve Tesla's FSD otherwise. Maybe I'm overreacting but I'm seriously skeptical of China constantly snatching designs and tech because they can't come up with it themselves.

Dunno...the whole thing seems super fishy to me.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

@F-22Raptor this could be the start of even more domination in China's EV market

Tesla passes Chinese data security test that bodes well for self-driving push

The US carmaker has passed a test of its compliance with Beijing’s data security rules thanks to a watershed decision it says could pave the way for the removal of some restrictions on the use of its cars in mainland China.

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Elon Musk in China: Tesla passes data security assessment that could pave way for lifting of bars to its cars’ movements​

• The US carmaker’s Model 3 and Model Y were given the all-clear for handling of personal data, including facial recognition and the collection of cockpit data
• Tesla says it could lead to an easing of restrictions on its cars’ access to certain state-backed entities, airports and motorways

Tesla has passed a test of its compliance with Beijing’s data security rules thanks to a watershed decision it says could pave the way for the removal of some restrictions on the use of its cars in mainland China.

The American carmaker has been assessed by the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM), a government-backed industry consortium, and given the all-clear for its protection of privacy in handling of personal data, which encompass facial recognition, and the collection and processing of cockpit data.

The result of the review on Sunday evening coincides with CEO Elon Musk’s visit to Beijing where he met Chinese Premier Li Qiang to discuss Tesla’s operations in the world’s largest electric vehicle (EV) market.

Tesla said in a statement that the endorsement of its Model 3 and Model Y vehicles assembled at the Shanghai Giga factory would lead to an easing of restrictions on its cars’ access to certain state-backed entities, airports and motorways.
The CAAM assessment that began in November is voluntary, and Tesla is among the first batch of carmakers to received the endorsement, along with BYD, Li Auto, Nio, Hozon and Lotus.

“The result of the review will give Tesla car owners and other fans of its cars a lot of confidence in driving them on the streets of China,” said Chen Jinzhu, CEO of consultancy Shanghai Mingliang Auto Service. “Since the CAAM is a government-backed auto industry association, the review certainly will have an influence on relevant authorities’ policymaking.”

The endorsement also bodes well for the approval of Tesla’s Full Self-Driving (FSD) system, its autonomous driving software, in China.

During his meeting with Musk on Sunday, Premier Li said Tesla’s operations in China represented a successful example of an economic tie-up between China and the US as he encouraged more cooperation between the two countries.

Musk’s visit to Beijing aims to bring the Austin, Texas-based carmaker’s autonomous driving technology to China amid intensified competition with local competitors in an EV market that accounts for about 60 per cent of global sales, the Post reported on Sunday.

Grace Tao, Tesla’s vice-president of external relations in China, wrote a commentary piece in the official People’s Daily newspaper on Friday saying autonomous driving is a key growth driver for the country’s EV sector and arguing that the technology will hatch new business models such as robotaxis, a vision that Musk has embraced.


In the US, Tesla charges US$8,000 to buy its FSD software, or US$99 a month for a subscription.

“This is a watershed moment for Musk as well as Beijing at a time that Tesla has faced massive domestic EV competition in China along with softer demand,” Wedbush Securities said in a research note on Sunday evening. “While the long-term valuation story at Tesla hinges on FSD and autonomous, a key missing piece in that puzzle is Tesla making FSD available in China which now appears on the doorstep.”

Bloomberg reported on Monday that the US carmaker would strengthen its partnership with Baidu, a Chinese search engine and artificial intelligence firm, to clear another key hurdle to introducing its FSD system to the mainland market.
Tesla will be able to deploy its autonomous driving services on the basis of “lane-level navigation” and mapping provided by the Beijing-based internet giant, Bloomberg’s report said, citing unidentified sources.

Since the inauguration of the Shanghai-based Gigafactory 3 at the end of 2019, Tesla has had several run-ins with regulators and customers regarding the quality of its cars and safety in China.
In April of 2021 the company faced a social media backlash from Chinese customers after a woman in a T-shirt emblazoned with the words “brake malfunction” and a Tesla logo jumped on top of a Tesla car on display at the Shanghai Auto Show, to draw attention to a crash involving her Model 3 she blamed on the company.

Tesla later released the data log of the specific Model 3 to the owner, bowing to pressure from the market regulator.

The US carmaker did not attend the Shanghai car show last year and is absent from the Auto China Show in Beijing that started last Thursday because of worries about similar incidents, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

Beijing has restricted the use of Teslas by military staff and employees of key state-owned companies because of security concerns since 2021. The Chinese-made Model 3s and Model Ys are also barred from accessing some areas, such as airports.

China is now the second-largest market for Tesla, with 603,664 deliveries last year, trailing only the US where the company handed 654,888 cars to American customers last year, up by a quarter from 2022.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

What concerns me more is the possibility of the CCP stealing Tesla's software and algorithm. I doubt the CCP would approve Tesla's FSD otherwise. Maybe I'm overreacting but I'm seriously skeptical of China constantly snatching designs and tech because they can't come up with it themselves.

Dunno...the whole thing seems super fishy to me.

The AI is on a Dojo supercomputer in the US. People can steal the software by ripping apart a US Tesla.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

The AI is on a Dojo supercomputer in the US. People can steal the software by ripping apart a US Tesla.

I hope Tesla protects its AI, database, and algorithm. If China can't get their hands on those three things, then it's a good deal, though I'll always be suspicious of the CCP which basically steals everything it can.

I'd like to know what conditions Musk had to agree to for Tesla's FSD to gain access to the Chinese market now.

 

[sutton9999]

China wants to help Telsa a bit if possible, EV situation isn't good in US.
Elon is kind of "CPC guy" and "our guy" and ungrateful goy nonetheless.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

China wants to help Telsa a bit if possible, EV situation isn't good in US.
Elon is kind of "CPC guy" and "our guy" and ungrateful goy nonetheless.

The EV situation is great in the US..for Tesla.

https://insideevs.com/news/716123/tesla-model-y-one-third/

One-Third Of U.S. EV Sales In Q1 2024 Were Tesla Model Ys​

not bad in Europe either..even with the flood of cheap Chinese cars.

Tesla Model Y crowned the best-selling car in Europe for March

The electric SUV has proven a popular choice among buyers beating the likes of previous best-sellers such as the Volkswagen Golf and Dacia Sandero

www.irishnews.com

Tesla Model Y crowned the best-selling car in Europe for March​

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I hope Tesla protects its AI, database, and algorithm. If China can't get their hands on those three things, then it's a good deal, though I'll always be suspicious of the CCP which basically steals everything it can.

I'd like to know what conditions Musk had to agree to for Tesla's FSD to gain access to the Chinese market now.

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Elon Musk hints Tesla FSD for China may be possible very soon

Chinese made Tesla are at number 3 place behind Volkswagen and far far behind BYD. Don't try to manipulate the narrative. I'm not manipulating anything. I only posted a shot of the top selling car models in China and you had a complete seething freak out. Grrrr!!!! Don't post such facts...

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[Get Ya Wig Split]

The 2 million Tesla cars on Chinese roads already do use cameras. However all uploads/downloads are from a Chinese controlled server (which BTW is probably also funneling the videos to Tesla's competitors)

They can stop the car uploads once FSD is considered acceptable. The uploads are only to train the driving software on local "rules of the road". The AI on a supercomputer uses the video to generate new software releases which are downloaded every few weeks by the car. After the software is deemed "good enough" the video/data uploads will be stopped as the car's computer handles things on its own using the last downloaded version without any internet connection needed.

Plus any security concerns with the video already taken can be handled by a third party Chinese company that could "blur out" anything not road related. Similar to what Google Maps does.

In fact I bet Elon Musk has already had that blur software written.


Nope! They made sure their FSD strategy will be autonomous with no uploading/downloading needed. It will work with no internet access to Tesla's servers..so no espionage claims will be valid. Only a generic download link to Baidu maps is needed to figure out where the streets are (car already has BeiDou GPS) and pretty much all cars in China also already have this too...so this isn't some potential showstopper.

However those other companies (ie Chinese ones) that pushed and pushed and pushed the need for LiDAR will be screwed when they attempt to have it work worldwide. LiDAR systems require uploading/downloading to work continuously to stream in/out pre-generated LiDAR maps to compare to the ones generated on-the-fly by the car. They will all have to play the grueling "yes we are uploading potentially sensitive data" game while Tesla gets a totally free pass.

View attachment 36825
Elon Musk was WAY ahead of everybody else in thinking FSD through. He knew countries would try to throw the security risk thing at him and he headed them off by taking an incredibly hard route using just vision to get around it...a route many said was impossible without LiDAR.

Now he is in China..telling them he has his autonomous FSD system working ...and it isn't going to be a security risk.

Then he will be bouncing around to other countries of the world..and Tesla will be like Apple with the 1st release of the iPhone and have a huge headstart on everybody...and he is also thinking of taking over world taxi services too.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/05/business/elon-musk-tesla-robotaxi-august-8/index.html

Elon Musk announces Tesla will unveil a ‘robotaxi’ on August 8​

Tesla to take on Uber? EV maker shares glimpse of robo taxi app that will let you summon driverless cabs - BusinessToday

The Tesla app will allow passengers to customise their ride by setting the vehicle's climate to their preference before it arrives. Additional features include displaying wait times and the maximum capacity of the vehicle

www.businesstoday.in

Tesla to take on Uber? EV maker shares glimpse of robo taxi app that will let you summon driverless cabs​

Countries with UBER in 2023

That's a big market for Tesla. No payment overhead to a driver means much lowered cost.

Props for breaking it down


If that's the deal then we're in the clear. Here's hoping Tesla kicks off those robo-taxis pronto.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Props

If that's the deal then we're in the clear. Here's hoping Tesla kicks off those robo-taxis pronto.

Already talking about FSD in Europe...Tesla on its way to World domination.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-demoes-FSD-12-to-European-regulators-with-a-Cherry-Red-Model-Y-on-German-roads.831849.0.html

Tesla demoes FSD 12 to European regulators with a Cherry Red Model Y on German roads​

A Senior Advisor to the Swedish Transport Administration has been showcased Tesla's FSD 12 driver-assist software, and found it to be an "impressive smooth and natural driving."

After almost 10 years of development we can finally see this...a momentous occasion...all thanks to AI:

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Tesla FSD V12 in Germany​

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I like your detailed answer

Elon Musk has carefully planned things out and played his elaborate multi-year chessgame well:

Tesla passes data security tests in China, restrictions further lifted

U.S. automaker Tesla passed four data security tests in China, it was revealed on Sunday. The news was announced in statements issued on the websites of China Association of Automobile Manufacturers and the National Computer Network Emergency Response

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Tesla passes data security tests in China, restrictions further lifted​

Chinese digital newspaper The Paper cited Tesla's response to the news, saying that it helps lift all the bans in the country on Tesla vehicles' parking and driving, for example, in government buildings, airports, on highways, etc.