Ex-Singapore Diplomat analysis on Pakistan with Pakistani journalists

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Nonsense thread.

"Singaporean" analysts should be cross checked for their actual origin. Many are Indian diaspora, hence have inherited the same inferiority complex that their relatives have. There is one that Al Jazeera kept wheeling out during the Iran-US war. You could see how much pain he was in when forced to utter the word "Pakistan".

Chinese origin, Malaysia origin and white singaporean citizens talk objectively

Should we not look at the contents of what is being said and evaluate it for its accuracy rather than deflect?

A lot of what he said is actually true, keep in mind he has served in Pakistan and narrated a story about it.

He lists the fact that it's a highly feudalistic society which is 100% true, feudalism being eliminated in nations is often the first step towards creating an organic middle class that allows for economic generation, better politics instead of feudals, organic nationalist sentiment and better meritocracy.

He also says the military has maintained this status quo hence calls it part of the problem but also says it holds the country together.

This is all true.

 

[RescueRanger]

Should we not look at the contents of what is being said and evaluate it for its accuracy rather than deflect?

The only one here that needs to do some introspection is you with your L takes in many threads when it comes to Pakistan and her future.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

The only one here that needs to do some introspection is you with your L takes in many threads when it comes to Pakistan and her future.

I would say the same for you respectfully. I don't run on blind optimism which is closer to wilful ignorance. Our condition is free to see for the entire world, nothing to celebrate.

My pessimism is rational, evidential and justified, can you say the same of your optimism?

 

[RescueRanger]

I would say the same for you respectfully. I don't run on blind optimism which is closer to wilful ignorance.

Come now, do get down from that horse of yours and stop judging anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you as a feckless halfwit.

Our condition is free to see for the entire world, nothing to celebrate.

Our condition is fine, we don't need a Singaporean has been to tell us what is up and what is down.

My pessimism is rational, evidential and justified, can you say the same of your optimism?

Read what you typed three more times and you will find it may have sounded better in your heard.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Should we not look at the contents of what is being said and evaluate it for its accuracy rather than deflect?

A lot of what he said is actually true, keep in mind he has served in Pakistan and narrated a story about it.

He lists the fact that it's a highly feudalistic society which is 100% true, feudalism being eliminated in nations is often the first step towards creating an organic middle class that allows for economic generation, better politics instead of feudals, organic nationalist sentiment and better meritocracy.

He also says the military has maintained this status quo hence calls it part of the problem but also says it holds the country together.

This is all true.

Though he didn't want to blame Afghanistan/India for sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan. I mean Indians can blame their birth on ISI sometimes so this is nothing.

 

[VCheng]

Come now, do get down from that horse of yours and stop judging anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you as a feckless halfwit.

Our condition is fine, we don't need a Singaporean has been to tell us what is up and what is down.

Read what you typed three more times and you will find it may have sounded better in your heard.

Some people are finding it hard to believe that the sun still rises just fine every morning after April 10, 2022.

 

[RescueRanger]

That is true. Though he didn't want to blame Afghanistan/India for sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan. I mean Indians can blame their birth on ISI sometimes so this is nothing.

No because that would too convenient. Instead we Pakistanis are constantly fed this chooran by foreign opinionators about "introspection" and out shortcomings.



I remember attending a talk by Professor Zhou Rong (Ex. Pakistan Bureau Chief - Chinese Guang Ming Daily) where he used the phrase "Validation deficit" for Pakistani Intelligentsia.

 

[RescueRanger]

Some people are finding it hard to believe that the sun still rises just fine every morning after April 10, 2022.

Hahaha this made me laugh out loud.

 

[VCheng]

I remember attending a talk by Professor Zhou Rong (Ex. Pakistan Bureau Chief - Chinese Guang Ming Daily) where he used the phrase "Validation deficit" for Pakistani Intelligentsia.

It is not even that. There is a reason I always say that Pakistan is the way it is because that is EXACTLY the way we actually want it to be, and not as we claim we want it to be. Whether it makes any sense to outsiders is irrelevant. I understand.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Come now, do get down from that horse of yours and stop judging anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you as a feckless halfwit.

Our condition is fine, we don't need a Singaporean has been to tell us what is up and what is down.

Read what you typed three more times and you will find it may have sounded better in your heard.

I respect you Ranger. And I do not at all view you in the way you've described. You are intelligent, articulate and well researched, however I do think there is more hopium in your optimism than rationality in this particular opinion.

I only ask for my pessimist stance to be seen within context and not gaslighted as unreasonable.

 

[Master Chief]

Should we not look at the contents of what is being said and evaluate it for its accuracy rather than deflect?

A lot of what he said is actually true, keep in mind he has served in Pakistan and narrated a story about it.

He lists the fact that it's a highly feudalistic society which is 100% true, feudalism being eliminated in nations is often the first step towards creating an organic middle class that allows for economic generation, better politics instead of feudals, organic nationalist sentiment and better meritocracy.

He also says the military has maintained this status quo hence calls it part of the problem but also says it holds the country together.

This is all true.

I put it to you that this analyst stands discredited due to the actual content of his works, not some baseless bias. I am happy to be corrected if wrong. Show me where in his article he has any concern for Pakistan's existential threat at her eastern border.

As far as I can gather, this is simply another Indian analyst seeking to force Pakistanis to jump to his tune, a tune that benefits Hindustan and Afghanistan, when we are perfectly capable of solving our own problems by our own mechanisms. Part of our solution involves unavoidable kinetic effort against our open enemies, for which a strong military is inevitable (has the author acknowledged this?).

I and most Pakistanis are perfectly satisfied with our hybrid system, not because we "need it to hold the country together" but rather because we need it to confront an external threat common to all Pakistanis since Pakistan's inception.

They seek our history, our land, our people, and our legacy. This is but one method they will deploy to enable that.

Let me add one other point that may have escaped you - they don't care ONE IOTA what type of government we have if it serves Indian interests. We could be running around caves like wife-beating Talibs with flowing locks of princess hair and they would love us for it if we were compliant to their needs. And lo,the Kabulite regime is their friend for this precise reason.

 

[RescueRanger]

I respect you Ranger. And I do not at all view you in the way you've described. You are intelligent, articulate and well researched, however I do think there is more hopium in your optimism than rationality in this particular opinion.

I only ask for my pessimist stance to be seen within context and not gaslighted as unreasonable.

And that is fine, it's good to be pessimistic but having worked in the state machinery - this is all by design. And despite what someone from outside thinks, it's very much "Business as Usual".

 

[Jango]

He says it's a feudalistic society and all politicians regardless of parties are useless. He says the military is part of the problem for upholding this status quo, but also holds the country together.

Looking at all the pushback in this thread, what is actually wrong with the above? Or are we just going to implement an ISPR like media ban in our critical abilities as well?

 

[RescueRanger]

Mod Note: please don't use slurs or insults against each other. Phrases such as "Youth***" cause discord and end up stinking the thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[RescueRanger]

Looking at all the pushback in this thread, what is actually wrong with the above? Or are we just going to implement an ISPR like media ban in our critical abilities as well?

I demand at least 10 Pakistan Zindabad threads on PDF per day.