Federal cabinet gives nod to imposition of emergency in KP; summary sent to president

[Forsvaret]

Governor Kundi: "Our policies will be in line with Islamabad Rawalpindi...

There I fixed it for you.

 

[ziaulislam]

And I wouldn't want a 'cardiologist' like you ever treating me! And it is not just you: I know another Pakistani-American who called it a 'genocide' when one of the Imran's march on Islamabad was crushed. He too is a medical doctor.

Gencoide definition is clear in Geneva charter
He probably meant it figuratively

 

[SteppeWolff]

Fine but why do you think a Karachiites opinion don't matter or they remain unaffected by affairs in NWFP? 20-25 percent of Karachi residents are from KPK.

We all know what racist drivel and "ghair maqami" sloganry those "original" karachittes have been throwing at people of not just Pashtun but all other ethnic groups. And it's KPK, not NWFP.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Governor Kundi: "Our policies will be in line with Islamabad, not dictated from Kabul, Jalalabad, or Kandahar."

 

[Forsvaret]

I do want people to be mindful of the main issue, which at least in my mind, is terrorism.

For how long has this terrorism been the MAIN issue in Pakistan and what has military establishment done to fix the problem after their many military operations to this date? Last time I checked, Pakistan performed the worst in global ranking of countries still affected by terrorism.

 

[SteppeWolff]

I get your point about IK and how he did not come up to your expectations (his supporters will obviously say "he wasn't allowed to by the powers that be"). However, my point is that as a political party, PTI will definitely say what all other parties say. That is par for the Pakistani politics. I don't begrudge them for it.

I do want people to be mindful of the main issue, which at least in my mind, is terrorism. For those decrying the Governor's rule, please keep in mind that GoP has taken measures like this all over Pakistan when the security situation became untenable (why it gets to that point is another debate). I specifically recall the takeover by the military/para forces in Karachi during Operation Clean-Up. The local/provincial government ceased to exist while that was going on (and it went on for over a year). In our country, nothing is done the easy way because the overall good of the country is always second to lisaniat, zaat, firqa-wariat etc.

Sir, can you enlighten me why this hybrid setup hasn't bore any fruits in Balochistan since last 2 decades? Situation so dire that TTP which once could never enter BLA areas is now there in full collusion with them? Also, the border smuggling routes which BLA, TTP and certain elements in forces all benefit from?

 

[hussain0216]

Like y'all changed Balochistan? Where the situation is getting dire by the day and some Pakistani version of Baghdad Bob will come on TV and tell you how great everything is?

And bro, per your opinion almost everyone is a moron these days

Balochistan is a reflection of its population

I've said this over and over again

You can not impose civilisation on a people not willing to embrace it

If they want to be violent, or steal or not pay taxes, take electricity or gas for free without paying bills etc etc then nothing will change them in the short term


If Islam itself couldn't make them stop killing poor labourers or teachers, then what the hell can anyone else do????


You just try to limit the fallout and try to work around them

Empower your security forces to go hunting

And hurt your enemies far far more then they can hurt you

Balochistan government is not perfect, but they are all Baloch and as long as they don't support the mindless violence then they will keep going

 

[El Sidd]

We all know what racist drivel and "ghair maqami" sloganry those "original" karachittes have been throwing at people of not just Pashtun but all other ethnic groups. And it's KPK, not NWFP.

Atleast reward them for their consistency but one simply cannot take away the reality that a Karachiite is affected by even small events in far flung corners of Pakistan. This political chaos in KPK will have an impact on Karachi.

It takes some time for nomenclature to catch on. Just like the slow gradual process from Hinduwan to Punjabian.

Everyone has to practice some form of patience.

 

[Forsvaret]

Why would you think it's better for Pakistan to bang it's chest and target trump or the U.S and invite sanctions or problems?

Learn diplomacy from Denmark.
Trump wanted to "acquire" Greenland for US strategic needs. The Danes stood their ground despite being a small country of only 6 million people. In the end, Trump backed out with only a "deal" that was no different from what US had before during Cold War era.

 

[Master Chief]

The need to critisice them comes from a place where they arrogantly tell you that an autocratic system, a system where criticism against it results in you getting disappeared and your family getting thrashed is better than everything and we should accept it for our own good and we don't know any better. When they won't themselves live a day in such a system.

Look, there is always a lot of truth in your posts regarding the inherent flaws of the current system and nobody, be they local or diaspora, can deny that. I sincerely hope and pray we can see an end to the corruption and mismanagement that has been endemic in Pakistan. Of course governance should be partly collaborative and cooperative and residents should not live in fear simply for stating their case. We can but hope that ALL parties have learned some harsh truths over the last decade or two in this regard.

I wish I had knowledge of the best solution to all of the current ills. All I can say is that needless deaths and harm have probably been averted by this single act taken by the centre. Kabul and Delhi will be fuming the most at this development.

Very oddly, the western press has not covered this on their front pages. In fact, the nothing burger cockroach protests in Delhi are getting way more coverage, along with ongoing Russian and Gulfie dramas. A bit strange tbh.

 

[Blain2]

Look you gimp

By nominating, does the buffoon actually win???

No



But is it a smart ploy, to keep his mind and mind of the U.S administration distracted on something else

So if your planning and understand the art of diplomacy you are getting a lot for very little real output


Why would you think it's better for Pakistan to bang it's chest and target trump or the U.S and invite sanctions or problems?

Thanks for this. As cartoonish as the attempt by Pakistan to nominate him was, this is the currency for the world with Trump and his buffoonery in it.

Pakistan had nothing to lose by this nomination. So master-stroke or not, it was a little bit of capital expended for keeping things on an even keel. Now, you cannot ever trust Trump and his mood swings but such is life.

 

[hussain0216]

For how long has this terrorism been the MAIN issue in Pakistan and what has military establishment done to fix the problem after their many military operations to this date? Last time I checked, Pakistan performed the worst in global ranking of countries still affected by terrorism.

The terrorism comes from the population living there

You can just try to limit it

Pakistan has done INCREDIBLY WELL, other countries in similar situations would have COLLAPSED

See Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc etc

Pakistan has been able to take a stand and fight back

Its a war

We have Hindus to the east who have been made to shut up

And we are now dealing with the Afghans in the west

The Afghans have been repeatedly defeated, the fall of the Afghan republic was a major victory for Pakistan


But the war goes beyond the Afghan state


Our enemy is the AFGHAN PEOPLE


We have started by kicking out and targeting millions of them
But this will end in a increasing amount of pain and punishment for afghans for every anti Pakistan action they take

 

[Distant_Observer]

Whatever happens atleast the grey area of accountability is no more.

The state is now responsible for KPK and lets hope for the sake of the country they deliver.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Atleast reward them for their consistency but one simply cannot take away the reality that a Karachiite is affected by even small events in far flung corners of Pakistan. This political chaos in KPK will have an impact on Karachi.

Yes. Let's reward them by me and you accepting the ghair maqami label wholeheartedly and happily.

It takes some time for nomenclature to catch on. Just like the slow gradual process from Hinduwan to Punjabian.

good one

 

[Master Chief]

Why would you think it's better for Pakistan to bang it's chest and target trump or the U.S and invite sanctions or problems?

Good post!

It is truly foolish to walk around constantly painting a target on your back for others to focus their fire on. Iran is beginning to understand this lesson. Yet some forum regulars seem to be doing their utmost to now unlearn this!