Federal cabinet gives nod to imposition of emergency in KP; summary sent to president

[Cipher212]

I would not feel personally aggrieved by the inference to the contrary. The vast majority of nations who profess democratic institutions and checks and balances and rule of law simply state these things for show. In reality, they are electoral autocracies, at best. Moreover, several of these nations "impose" representative democracy on developing nations as a means of control. We are often led to believe that autocracy is easily controlled by malevolent 3rd parties from afar - that is only true if the dictator plays ball (Saddam, Gaddafi, Noriega, Chavez, Castro, Maduro....etc etc). Meanwhile, democracy can be manipulated at a fraction of the cost.

One only needs to glance over the eastern border, or at USA/UK, to understand all the above. The oligarchs reign supreme in most "democracies". India, rather amateurishly, thinks it can nation build in Pakistan by backing the same Khan they used to call Taliban Khan hardly a year or so ago. Indians posting here do make me laugh - they think we are stupid and they themselves are the Bollywood heroes that the third world needs.

Then there's the one nation that actually tells it how it is - China, giving a big red middle finger to so called representative democracy and proud of it. Ancient Greece would be equally proud. One of the few things Khan was right about (without him really realising why he was right) was that the Chinese example is the one to follow.

Even a fake democracy works better because those same autocracy have to at least keep up appearances and thus provide some performance. Thats why the democracies are doing better. For example, the US is in reality run by the military industrial complex who in turn pay the politicians, but because its not a direct corporate government (yet) there is a lot of check and balance in their system.

I don't know who counts as the 'deep-state' of UK but I'm going to guess its also corporations and certain elite and yes, they have their House of Lords but they also have a House of Commons and councils where the common riff-raff are allowed to at least discuss their issues and enact policy.

India is doing far better than us at this point. I know enough Indian people and I know how their lifestyle has rapidly changed in their 2nd/3rd tier cities that you can't even pronounce. Again, their establishment is the Gujjews and the businesses but still, because the democratic element is there, a 'counter-weight' exists.

China works because they're all Han Chinese and one party. We are Punjabi/Baloch/Sindhi/Shia/Sunni/Molvi/Liberal/Urdu-Speaker/Muhajir/whatever etc. All functional and powerful countries are democracies. No democracy is 100% free and fair but the worst democracy is better than the best dictatorship.

Also, we cannot follow China since part of how their system works is that they're completely devoid of religion and they follow a hybrid communist/capitalist structure where the government still owns a lot of things. That is too radical a change for us. Our structure is based on UK government.

 

[ghazi52]

Akhunzada named administrator for 12 districts​

Our Correspondent
October 13, 2026

Grade-20 officer Muhammad Yahya Akhunzada as administrator for 12 designated districts

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PESHAWAR: The Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa government has appointed Grade-20 officer Muhammad Yahya Akhunzada as administrator for 12 designated districts following the imposition of Governor's rule and an emergency in the province.


According to an official notification, Akhunzada will oversee administrative affairs in the 12 districts in accordance with directives issued by the federal government. His services were transferred from the federal government to Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa for the assignment.

Akhunzada will head a separate secretariat established to supervise the administration of the designated districts. He will implement instructions issued by the federal government and K-P Governor Faisal Karim Kundi regarding administrative matters in these areas.

The 12 districts include eight merged tribal districts, Mohmand, Khyber, Bajaur, Kurram, Orakzai, North Waziristan, Upper South Waziristan and Lower South Waziristan, along with four settled districts: Dera Ismail Khan, Tank, Bannu and Lakki Marwat.

 

[Cipher212]

One would expect more than just words from government officials. What matters most is taking practical steps and being proactive. So far, PTI seems to be good at making promises and using sweet words, but where are the actual results?
Can someone explain what proactive measures PTI has taken and actually implemented? What is their action plan?
I support peace talks as long as they lead to real and lasting peace. But has PTI considered that the TTP's demand is for complete autonomy from Pakistan? How does PTI plan to address this demand while protecting Pakistan's sovereignty?

PTI is just a provincial government. All they could do was strengthen the KP Police and they did that.

Baaqi fauj sambhaalti hay. Fauj controls the border, fauj controls the rangers, the interior ministry has always belonged to a fauji or someone they hand-picked. Same with defence ministry.

I gain no benefit from assigning blame from one Pakistani to another but lets get our facts straight on who was doing what.

 

[PakAl]

If PTI was responsible for terrorism then why were they allowed to rule from 2013 to 2026, and why terrorism existed from 2001 to 2013, who was responsible, Balochistan is worse than KPK but under military rule, why so many no go areas in Balochistan despite large military presence. So what is actually going on.

 

[Cipher212]

Unlike you all the civilians are not filthy.... that's a special dump of filth you belong to.

Ohh right, the ones who support Army rule are good and clean. I totally forgot. My bad boss.

Can anyone of them or their offspring become PM or President or a lawmaker in Pakistan?



india is not a democracy either. Please.



The more reason why current democracy is not suitable for Pakistan. Groom, educate, train and select future lawmakers.

Even IK would have preferred a presidential system.

- They could if the military allowed them.

- India is 100% a democracy, just not a good example of one hence they're a shithole but they are indeed a democracy. Their military is very similar to ours and never did martial law. The point is, their people are more free than us and its given net positive for their economy and life, not negative.

- To do that in the first place you will have to let the people go and have their democracy. They will have to go through the rebuilding phase as the grassroot politics return and it will take you 10-15 years to see the first leaders starting to pop up.

For example, IK's first ever federal government was like 80% hand-picked lotay from PPP and PMLN. People rightly criticise this but they forget that PTI student leaders were still in their 20s at this point. Even Sohail Afridi was a kid. It takes time to build up.

It's like you are sick and you need to take medicine but you're holding off because it will initially cause your fever to go even higher. Because we're scared of that, we say koi nahi, martial law lag jaye baar baar, khair hay.

If IK would have preferred presidential system that is fine by me too, but wo bhi civilian system hi hui na. Fauj would have still interfered and put their Yes-Man on it.

 

[iron shrapnel]

PTI is just a provincial government. All they could do was strengthen the KP Police and they did that.

Baaqi fauj sambhaalti hay. Fauj controls the border, fauj controls the rangers, the interior ministry has always belonged to a fauji or someone they hand-picked. Same with defence ministry.

I gain no benefit from assigning blame from one Pakistani to another but lets get our facts straight on who was doing what.

Narrative wise PTI took head on confrontation with Establishment.
Used every opportunity to malign their relationship with the state.

Refused help where offered by federation to keep the orphan look.

Reh gae baat KP police ki,
Equipment handed over to KP police ends up in hands of terrorists before it even reaches specific units.
No sympathy for the Personnel and no narrative in supporting them.

Vehicle orders placed are used as political point scoring. ( They could have bought equipment from private contractors as well ).

I can't blame PTI for everything wrong in KPK. But they have been no saints.

 

[PakAl]

Narrative wise PTI took head on confrontation with Establishment.
Used every opportunity to malign their relationship with the state.

Refused help where offered by federation to keep the orphan look.

Reh gae baat KP police ki,
Equipment handed over to KP police ends up in hands of terrorists before it even reaches specific units.
No sympathy for the Personnel and no narrative in supporting them.

Vehicle orders placed are used as political point scoring. ( They could have bought equipment from private contractors as well ).

I can't blame PTI for everything wrong in KPK. But they have been no saints.

If PTI government actually handed over police weapons to terrorists, what benefit did the PTI government get. The police, peace committes, civilians were targetted by the same terrorists, so PTI were shooting their own foot.

 

[Watandar]

Pakistan was never a democracy. Even if a political party wins all seats and forms a government after an election, Pakistan will still not be a democracy. Pakistanis are not mature enough for democracy, it is not suited for our country. It provides opportunities to the BA fail feudal lords, wealthy elite of Pakistan only. I am advocate of groom train and select the governors rather than elect. Military establishment has always been supported by these politicians and judges.

Pakistan was created by its people, under civilian leadership. The founders, the people and the civilian leadership have chosen time and again for the country to be a federation under a democratic form of government. The colonial army, bureucracy and judiciary played NO role in the creation of Pakistan. There is nothing more to debate on this topic.

You have a contemptous view of the people of Pakistan , which I don't share and you ignore the deliberate derailment of Constitutionalism and democracy by the army. How are people supposed to build a good system when the army is constantly sabotaging it ?

There are no perfect civilians who can build you a perfect democracy on day 1. That is an absurd expectation meant to facilitate autocrats. The Bengalis, who kicked out the autocrats in 1971, are doing much better than Pakistan today in health, education, literacy, economy, polity.

Another discredited idea you seem to be recycling is "technocrat rule". We have seen many technocratic setups flop in the country, just like the dictators, because they lack support from the people and waste their entire tenure seeking legitimacy, something an elected politician already possesses.

 

[Cipher212]

Narrative wise PTI took head on confrontation with Establishment.
Used every opportunity to malign their relationship with the state.

Refused help where offered by federation to keep the orphan look.

Reh gae baat KP police ki,
Equipment handed over to KP police ends up in hands of terrorists before it even reaches specific units.
No sympathy for the Personnel and no narrative in supporting them.

Vehicle orders placed are used as political point scoring. ( They could have bought equipment from private contractors as well ).

I can't blame PTI for everything wrong in KPK. But they have been no saints.

Federation is not doing any of this to 'help' KPK or save it from terrorism. That's like saying USA invades countries to spread freedom and democracy. It's just the cover story.

Come out of this 'malign State' mindset. State-shate kuch nahi hota. Army is not the state they are our naukars, nobody forced them to enlist they are doing a job. If they are feeling stress from their job then take early retirement and someone else can come and serve. Hammay bando ki kammi nahi hay.

We are the state. 22 crore ki awaam aap ka state hay. If I was in PTI place I wouldn't want to work with the establishment either. Why should I work with the people who ruined Pakistan.

And yes, vehicle orders were used as political point scoring just now by the federal government. They withheld the vehicles from KP until right after they enacted governer Raj.

They were even withholding provincial funds from PTI. Sad state of affairs.

 

[Owaiz]

Pakistan was created by its people, under civilian leadership. The founders, the people and the civilian leadership have chosen time and again for the country to be a federation under a democratic form of government. There is nothing more to debate on this topic.

You have a contemptous view of the people of Pakistan , which I don't share and you ignore the deliberate derailment of Constitutionalism and democracy by the army. How are people supposed to build a good system when the army is constantly sabotaging it ?

There are no perfect politicians who can build you a perfect democracy on day 1. That is an absurd expectation meant to facilitate autocrats.

Yes, why are people of Bangladesh and India, which came from the same British Raj, mature enough for democracy and those from Pakistan are not. In 1947, West Pakistan had a headstart and was endowed with more resources, yet it was squandered. Neither of these countries is anywhere close perfect, but their people are , in general, economically better off and enjoy more political and legal rights than those in Pakistan. Even Afghan men, arguably, lives under a more just system.