Federal cabinet gives nod to imposition of emergency in KP; summary sent to president

[Forsvaret]

But anyways, China with no democracy...

That's right, however, their autocratic civilian rulers still got brains to run a country successfully — given the large size & population of China — unlike the autocratic military rulers of Pakistan

 

[Forsvaret]

Fauj fauj fauj.. fauj fauj fauj....

Pti pti pti.. pti pti pti.....
Both sides seem equally obsessed with each other.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

If Pakistani workers in Arab nations start bitching about the same country they work in, break the laws and spread propaganda then they deserve to get deported.
Now if those handful of Pakistani workers start complaining about Taliban regime they will get executed and hung from a tree within 24 hours.

Now if those handful of Pakistani workers start complaining about Taliban regime they will get executed and hung from a tree within 24 hours.

So basically, in Arab countries, you get deported for breaking the law, and under the Taliban, you might get killed for speaking out. And you think that proves your point?

There’s a difference between breaking the law and simply criticizing a government. If someone commits a crime, deal with the crime. But why lump everyone together?

Bhai, Pakistan ka kya scene hai phir? Wahan bhi government ke khilaf bol kar dekho. Sometimes you end up in jail, sometimes the police and agencies make life miserable for you.

So let’s not pretend this is just an Afghanistan or Arab countries issue. The problem isn’t people criticizing a government; the problem is when governments can’t tolerate criticism.

And if we’re going to defend people’s right to speak, let’s defend it everywhere, not just when it suits our argument.

 

[Forsvaret]

Offtopic but Pakistan was ahead of India and Bangladesh through the 80s. It was when the fever of 'democracy' came to Pakistan after the death of Zia ul Haq in 1988...

Will you ever be honest with yourself & finally question why the fever of 'democracy' even came to Pakistan after the death of Zia ul Haq in 1988 — if the people of Pakistan were truly happy consecutively living under the military establishment rule since 1977?

 

[flyingorca]

That's right, however, their autocratic civilian rulers still got brains to run a country successfully — given the large size & population of China — unlike the autocratic military rulers of Pakistan

Unfortunately our civilian rulers are bunch of idiots.
Anyways... as per Islam, military is not just assigned to combat duties. Historically, fauj has always been part of politics. Before the British raj, the territory of Pakistan was ruled by Muslim faujis. The Mughal empire at its peak was controlled with fauji system.

 

[flyingorca]

Pti pti pti.. pti pti pti.....
Both sides seem equally obsessed with each other.

It seems when ever I ask you a question about PTI policy your response is alwaya fauj fauj fauj. Meanwhile I always provide you with direct answer without whataboutism.

 

[Forsvaret]

Unfortunately our civilian rulers are bunch of idiots.

What "civilian rulers" in Pakistan? They are all subordinates to the real military rulers on top of them.

 

[Blain2]

The military establishment run academies can always twist & change historic facts to their liking. It's not like the first time they have done it & it won't be the last either...

So how do academies run by the military change facts?

Let me try to break down the numbers some to drive home the point about the impossibility of such a task. Pakistan Army numbers 550,000 troops.

That is 0.23% of the total population.

Of the 550,000, officer corps (the ones who get to go to the academies) numbers 28,000.

That is 0.0116% of the 240 million.

So just how can the military establishment through grooming its officer corps in the academies change historical facts? What historical facts are we talking about in any case?

If the country on the whole decides to write a narrative or shape its history a certain way, that is a societal issue. What revisionist history has the Pakistani military projected that is twisting of facts? Or is it that just because you say it, we should believe it?

Don't deal in the hyperbole here. Let's talk facts.

 

[flyingorca]

Will you ever be honest with yourself & finally question why the fever of 'democracy' even came to Pakistan after the death of Zia ul Haq in 1988 — if the people of Pakistan were truly happy consecutively living under the military establishment rule since 1977?

PMLN first came to power on ZIA fame. In alot of Nawaz speeches he constantly referred to Zia as righteous leader.

So basically, in Arab countries, you get deported for breaking the law, and under the Taliban, you might get killed for speaking out. And you think that proves your point?

There’s a difference between breaking the law and simply criticizing a government. If someone commits a crime, deal with the crime. But why lump everyone together?

Bhai, Pakistan ka kya scene hai phir? Wahan bhi government ke khilaf bol kar dekho. Sometimes you end up in jail, sometimes the police and agencies make life miserable for you.

So let’s not pretend this is just an Afghanistan or Arab countries issue. The problem isn’t people criticizing a government; the problem is when governments can’t tolerate criticism.

And if we’re going to defend people’s right to speak, let’s defend it everywhere, not just when it suits our argument.

If Afghanistan and Iran allows Pakistani workers to openly criticize Taliban and IRGC regime then you can complain about Pakistan kicking out afghans. The rule should apply both ways not just on Pakistan.

 

[flyingorca]

So how do academies run by the military change facts?

Let me try to break down the numbers some to drive home the point about the impossibility of such a task. Pakistan Army numbers 550,000 troops.

That is 0.23% of the total population.

Of the 550,000, officer corps (the ones who get to go to the academies) numbers 28,000.

That is 0.0116% of the 240 million.

So just how can the military establishment through grooming its officer corps in the academies change historical facts? What historical facts are we talking about in any case?

If the country on the whole decides to write a narrative or shape its history a certain way, that is a societal issue. What revisionist history has the Pakistani military projected that is twisting of facts? Or is it that just because you say it, we should believe it?

These brainrott cultists have no knowledge of their own other then what the pick from Paj33t propaganda on X and Instagram.
For example, they will start a trend on Pakistan army falsely claim 65 victory and then these brainrott imrandos will gather like flys on shi and start spreading this as distorted history. Just anything anti fauj is automatically facts for them.

 

[flyingorca]

What "civilian rulers" in Pakistan? They are all subordinates to the real military rulers on top of them.

I mean PTI civilian leaders that they have in line but currently hiding in USA and Lundon.

 

[Forsvaret]

So just how can the military establishment through grooming its officer corps in the academies change historical facts? What historical facts are we talking about in any case?

Like the historical facts regarding how Pakistan came into existence through people's mandate (the general elections of 1945-1947) — how Pakistan lost its Eastern Wing in 1971 when the people's mandate wasn't respected by military establishment of that time — how Pakistan's civilians continue to lack their right to self-determination because there exists a hidden state (military establishment) ABOVE the visible one...

 

[Forsvaret]

I mean PTI civilian leaders that they have in line but currently hiding in USA and Lundon.

They're "hiding" there only because current military establishment wouldn't stop sending them to prison over & over again if they were still residing in Pakistan.

PMLN first came to power on ZIA fame. In alot of Nawaz speeches he constantly referred to Zia as righteous leader.

So who was the actual national leader here? Military man Zia or civilian man Nawaz? Or were they both simply scratching each others' backs to stay in power indefinitely?

 

[flyingorca]

Like the historical facts regarding how Pakistan came into existence through people's mandate (the general elections of 1945-1947) — how Pakistan lost its Eastern Wing in 1971 when the people's mandate wasn't respected by military establishment of that time — how Pakistan's civilians continue to lack their right to self-determination because there exists a hidden state (military establishment) ABOVE the visible one...

Yes I agree, Fauj should have made it clear from the beginning that British Raj created both Pakistan and India. And they should have also highlighted the fact that minority language Urdu was enforced on majority Bangalis. And East Pakistan mess would have been avoided if East was not merged with west since they were geographically divided with India right in the middle. For context, Azerbaijan is closer to Pakistan then Bangladesh is. Our so called founding abus made a mistake of not catching this blunder on time but instead went with it anyways. Its like you build your house with kitchen in one corner of neighborhood, bathroom in another and livingroom across from the street and call it perfect planning saaar.

 

[flyingorca]

They're "hiding" there only because current military establishment wouldn't stop sending them to prison over & over again if they were still residing in Pakistan.


So who was the actual national leader here? Military man Zia or civilian man Nawaz? Or were they both simply scratching each others' backs to stay in power indefinitely?

But but I thought Amreeka PTI say dartha hai because PTI is the leader of Muslim ummah

I am just proving a point that Zia was still in popularity even after his death thats why Nawaz used used his name in his speeches.