flyingorca
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What do you mean its not the case of 2015? I thought Su30mki was Raptor of the east and mini AWAC and PAF was doomed when it arrived.
France confirms India’s interest in Rafale F5, potential first export customer
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What do you mean its not the case of 2015? I thought Su30mki was Raptor of the east and mini AWAC and PAF was doomed when it arrived.
flyingorca
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So JF17 Block 3 is superior to SU30 MKI and the mini Rafale upgraded Mirage2000?
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The Rafale is the replacement for both jaguar and mirage2000
So you point is mute
Also the cost of inducting even 120 Tejas mark two is over 15 billion dollars and will be decade away from final operational clearance with Hals track record of delays
Add to that the fact that Amca is rolling out in three years after Tejas two the timelines are too close to develope and induct both
The Indian air force have pushed Rafale after losing faith in Hal
It's not happening any more it will be killed off as test bed project mark my words
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Nice little budget planes I like it
Smokey engine with short life but it's ok for cash strapped air forces
Good bang for buck
BonPlan
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2015 ? why 2015?
Su30mki is a beast but it don't have the medium range missile needed according to its huge RCS (detected too early, weapon too short).
BonPlan
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JF17 is short legs. No in the SU30 league.
Yasser76
Elite Member
Read up buddy, the SU-30 is obsolete.
"AMRAAM Dodgers" will now have to avoid PL-15s. The JF-17C avionics suite is 2 generations ahead of SU-30
Come on Rakesh, you know all of this
BonPlan
Registered Member
actual Su-30 needs à MLU, for a new radar and specially new air to air missile.
JF-17 2 generations ahead? sure not. 1 gen is already ambitious.
Corax
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The Su30MKIs were dropped like flies along with the Rafales, even back in 2019 the Su30s never managed to get any lock or missile off against MLU F16s, which have no AESA and only armed with AMRAAMS, so against a networked AESA equipped fighter with 200km BVR missiles like the JF17 Block 3 they were easy prey, along with your Rafales.
Yasser76
Elite Member
For someone who claims to "work at Dassault" you have a lack of knowledge.
The radar and missiles of JF-17C and SU-30MKI are at least 3 decades apart. I know you will desperately defend anything Indian, but dont make yourself look even more obviously Indian Rakesh....
Yasser76
Elite Member
Enjoying this, almost as fun as when this "Frenchman" though Cabernet Sauvignon was a brand of wine and not a variety or he did not know about the largest collection of fighter planes just 100km or so from where he lives....
Ali_Baba
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Su30MKIs were shot down in 2019, and 2025 ... they are not very good at dodging anything with their big fat asses.
Honestly Rakesh ..
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Ahhh. Now I get it why china has 300 flankers and not a single Jf17 they only build the dam thing ...lol.
China has 150 flankers, none of which they rate particularly highly, not even the SU-35.Ahhh. Now I get it why china has 300 flankers and not a single Jf17 they only build the dam thing ...lol.
"- The SU-35 serves as an excellent benchmark for the Chinese military to gauge the effectiveness of their own development vs international standards.
- Su-35 is very maneuverable, possibly the most maneuverable fighter in the PLAAF
- The N035E is an excellent PESA radar. It's pretty much the best PESA radar you can practically develop.
- However, it's substantially weaker than the current generation of Chinese AESAs.
- The N035E radar has some interesting features, for example it is capable of detecting a target at extended ranges (350km) if it's only required to scan a small area (about the size of the HUD). This is not particularly useful without AWACs cueing."
中国购俄苏35性能如何：雷达探测能力仅为歼16的80%
另外，受限于俄光学器件产业水平，其OLS-35前视光电雷达（IRST）的性能也远不如歼-16同类设备；两者机载电子侦察能力各有千秋，但苏-35机载电子干扰设备在架构和工艺上较落后。如果歼-16的探测能力和电子战能力均设为10分，那么苏-35则可对应打8.5分和8分。
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I would not get super happy about Chinas induction of flankers, its clear it was as a result of necessity at the time, and not due to capability, clearly outlined above.
hussain0216
Elite Member
You need to stop thinking of it as a plane Vs plane situation
And more as a system Vs system
JF17s with AESA radars, backed by ground radars, AWACs, linked all together and a long range BVR will rip the Su-30 with it's massive RCS a new ass hole
The SU-30 will do well to stay far away
