Gun violence & Hate crime in the United States - Sticky

[Dalit]

Do you even know the type of material teenagers have access to these days? sites like 4chan or X, you have types of Randy fine, Laura loomer and that weirdo who was harassing Muslims in MN, i have seen so many posts regarding Mosques been some secret bases for Muslim brotherhood, or ISIS or whatnot. Which is echoed by the "Neutrals", in fact I was reading comments on CNN/ABC page, and you can see comments that are insensitive, give that mindset access to Rifles and this is what you get, we have seen that in our own country, Guns are everywhere and few people radicalized and you have a disaster at your hand, Hence I never support guns at the hands of civilians, people are crazy, a normal looking man can lose his marbles so quickly and do something like that, and this goes along every religion including radicalized Muslims who attack Jewish temples or churches, imagine if these people have no access to guns, lots of lives could be saved.

It is only going to get worse. Far right extremist propaganda is normalised. Conspiracy theories are rife. If teenagers can resort to such violence we are in a very bad place.

 

[Starlord]

Doubtful.

They would simply choose another avenue to commit their act(s) of terror.

Like what ? A knife ? a 19 year old with a knife can easily be subdued by the amount of people in any place of worship, with guns they can stay at one spot and kill poor fleeing people, have you seen video of NZ shooting? I have... and you can see that how easily he goes around killing people with guns, while even 1 partial trained person can disarm a knife wielding guy.

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Yes, I am. Why does that matter in the context of this conversation?

Regarding the Phoenix metropolitan area, one only needs to consult the crime statistics to see that things are getting worse, not better. Police-involved shootings are a near daily occurrence. Gang/drug-related violence is up. On the west side, ankle monitors are a fashion statement.

Unfortunately, I have to travel through some of those areas to get to where I am going.

That matters because it changes everything about open carry and why many choose not to do so. Maybe not phoenix but in some other areas, due to the way our society stereo types some non Caucasian, they wont be able to open carry that easily without people raising some serious alarm bell.

 

[Starlord]

do you know how easy it is to make an ied

fix the root cause , taking away guns does nothing

you seems to not understand the point? you can build a IED but the material used in that can easily alarm agencies like FBI and homeland, while guns can be bought at Walmart if you have a valid ID, how do i know ? I asked on stores and they were willing to sell me a handgun and all i need is a valid ID and 1-2 training classes (optional) . Now in America you have people who are paranoid a$$ fuq, they hate everyone and everything that doesn't look like them (cough cough white). And cherry on top is the rhetoric coming from Senators, and online pundits with millions of followers, that is far far more dangerous than one can think off, because you don't see the threat coming.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Oh, maybe driving a speeding vehicle down a crowded sidewalk. A can of gasoline and a match.

A "partially trained" person; in what? Using what? A person like that is more likely to get hurt than subdue the attacker.

 

[Starlord]

It is only going to get worse. Far right extremist propaganda is normalised. Conspiracy theories are rife. If teenagers can resort to such violence we are in a very bad place.

Yep, not long ago a incident happen in USF where Muslims were harassed, later some people were holding anti Islamic banners on one of the main roads in Temple Terrace area which has a sizeable Muslim population, now the thing is that if anyone from Muslim community will say anything then you have people (likes of which we have on PDF) will tell them to shut up or go back where you came from, or any news of attacks on Muslims often followed by people bringing ME into conversation, or say but but Christians are attacked in ME, etc. They won't openly justify the violence but will go to every length to undermine it or say yeah big deal, move on... But God forbid if shooter turned out to be brown or Muslim then all hell break loose, and suddenly its the religion, shariah, some deep conspiracy , Muslims hate America etc. Wait a couple of hours and you will see that here on this very thread.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

That matters because it changes everything about open carry and why many choose not to do so. Maybe not phoenix but in some other areas, due to the way our society stereo types some non Caucasian, they wont be able to open carry that easily without people raising some serious alarm bell.

I have a couple black friends, one also a Marine, who carry. Sometimes openly, mostly concealed.

Arizona is unique in that is is still classified as an "open range" state. That stems from the days when ranching was big business (and still is). Arizona also has "Constitutional Carry". It is written in the State Constitution that carrying of weapons is a right; no permit needed. Concealed or not. Just go for it.

I on the other hand do hold concealed carry permits for Arizona along with one additional state. I also go through regular training. No, that training does not always include shooting. It's about knowing the law. That is something the "constitutional carry" types don't understand or believe in.

I know the areas that I travel in this state well. What is acceptable in my area (open carry) is often viewed with suspicion in PHX. Therefore, when I'm down there, concealed it is.

 

[hasssanali8998]

ou can build a IED but the material used in that can easily alarm agencies like FBI

nope
only if you are retarded enough to serach "how to make a bomb" on google

theres a entire yt channel on making explosives from things found in local stores , u make that put it in a metal container with nails ,fuses voila u have a ied

 

[hasssanali8998]

theres a entire yt channel on making explosives from things found in local stores , u make that put it in a metal container with nails ,fuses voila u have a ied

i have legit found isis recipe videos on the internet , not tthat hard

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

These were teenagers. That is extremely disturbing. It would be important to learn how these teenagers got radicalised. You don't just pick up a gun and start shooting at a place of worship.

Look up the Columbine incident. It was two teenagers who weren't getting enough attention from mommy and daddy. And, when they started to act and dress differently, mommy and daddy simply didn't care.

Or, look up Sandy Hook. Or the Parkland school shooting.

 

[Starlord]

Oh, maybe driving a speeding vehicle down a crowded sidewalk. A can of gasoline and a match.

A "partially trained" person; in what? Using what? A person like that is more likely to get hurt than subdue the attacker.

Vehicles are not used as weapons, its a the innovation of those who can't get guns to inflict violence, many of such incidents of people ramming cars into crowds do so because they are unable to hold on to firearms for XYZ purpose, but some do. Those incidents of ramming into crowd are as bad as they are now imagine the guy with a AR-15 type gun, which will make the incident even more terrible than it already is, Cars are single purpose tools, while Guns can be of dual use, people use it for defense but others use it for violence, and more guns means more crazies roaming around with guns, and in this Day when online brain washing is rampant, yeah i don't even wanna think that how many crazy violent radicalized people are just waiting for the right opportunity to do something horrible, in fact many case young guys use their parents firearms to commit crimes or acts of violence.

Partially trained means someone who has self defense training, you have retired police officers or ex-military etc, even if a knife attack manage to hurt the person trying to subdue, it gives others enough times to run, while Guns can shoot you from a good distance.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

i have legit found isis recipe vidoes on the internet , not tthat hard

Years ago, it was "normal" to find a couple of vendors set up at gunshows selling "how to" books. I made it a point to steer well clear of them.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Years ago, it was "normal" to find a couple of vendors set up at gunshows selling "how to" books. I made it a point to steer well clear of them.

"vendors"

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Vehicles are not used as weapons, its a the innovation of those who can't get guns to inflict violence, many of such incidents of people ramming cars into crowds do so because they are unable to hold on to firearms for XYZ purpose, but some do. Those incidents of ramming into crowd are as bad as they are now imagine the guy with a AR-15 type gun, which will make the incident even more terrible than it already is, Cars are single purpose tools, while Guns can be of dual use, people use it for defense but others use it for violence, and more guns means more crazies roaming around with guns, and in this Day when online brain washing is rampant, yeah i don't even wanna think that how many crazy violent radicalized people are just waiting for the right opportunity to do something horrible, in fact many case young guys use their parents firearms to commit crimes or acts of violence.

Partially trained means someone who has self defense training, you have retired police officers or ex-military etc, even if a knife attack manage to hurt the person trying to subdue, it gives others enough times to run, while Guns can shoot you from a good distance.

You know there is a thread here discussing a vehicle attack in London, right?

Police officers and military types are not partially trained. I've a lot of cop friends. They all attend regular sessions of hand-2-hand training.

 

[Starlord]

nope
only if you are retarded enough to serach "how to make a bomb" on google

theres a entire yt channel on making explosives from things found in local stores , u make that put it in a metal container with nails ,fuses voila u have a ied

Lol its not that simple, specially in America. someone with law enforcement background will tell you, but FBI and Homeland security is good at what they do, we are not talking about Pakistan here where people will buy a suicide jacket in North Wazirstan, and people will ask what's that for? its America, your actions are recorded and monitored. Now in these kind of cases people get under the radar because of their skin color, name and nationality, but as Muslim or brown you as much as buy something can be potentially use as explosive you are busted or at least now on their radar (which is good).