HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

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Indian Air Chief chews out HAL over Tejas.

He doesn’t have confidence in HAL. He expected 11 Mk.1A to be ready (waiting for the engines (of which 2.5 engines are needed per airframe). NOT A SINGLE MK.1A is ready. “Maza neh ara heh”.

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Here's the thing...

When Indian Military "analyst" speak about TEJAs..., Indian Members here say, "What do they know..."

Okay.

When retired Air Force Officers speak about TEJAs..., Indian Members here say, "They are Dinosaurs who don't know what is currently going on."

Okay.

Could Culki Sharma from Firstpost do a piece on the India's ACM's comments.

Could the two Idiots (Maj. Gurav whatshisface & virgin Producer) cover India's ACM's comments, rather than the Flood Lights in Gaddafi Stadium.

[MK1A bus araha hai]
[MK2 bus araha hai]
[AMCA bus araha hai]

[Tumharay bacho ki shaadi hai - barat bus arahi hai]​

 

[Justin TruDont]

Indian Air Chief chews out HAL over Tejas.

He doesn’t have confidence in HAL. He expected 11 Mk.1A to be ready (waiting for the engines (of which 2.5 engines are needed per airframe). NOT A SINGLE MK.1A is ready. “Maza neh ara heh”.

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2.5 engine needed per airframe


It's a single engine aircraft

Even With airframe life of 8000 hrs

It will require engine replacement after 20 years
We won't need more than 2 engines over It's lifespan

IAF does keep some spare engines
But the number will be equal to 15-20% of the fleet not 50%

 

[Yasser76]

‘No Confidence’: IAF Chief Scolds HAL​

'No Confidence': IAF Chief Scolds HAL - Livefist

"At the moment, I am just not confident of HAL." Words that should give Indian state-owned airframer Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) sleepless nights. And many times over given that the sayer of these words is the Chief of the Indian Air Force. "I can only tell you what our requirement…

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[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

‘No Confidence’: IAF Chief Scolds HAL​

'No Confidence': IAF Chief Scolds HAL - Livefist

"At the moment, I am just not confident of HAL." Words that should give Indian state-owned airframer Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) sleepless nights. And many times over given that the sayer of these words is the Chief of the Indian Air Force. "I can only tell you what our requirement…

www.livefistdefence.com

IAF should take over HAL .......... and manage themself.

 

[Yasser76]

IAF should take over HAL .......... and manage themself.

If they did I actually think India would be in a world class position right now. Their CAS seems very switched on

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

IAF should take over HAL .......... and manage themself.

“HAL is our company, we have all worked there. But I find that HAL is just not in mission mode,” said the IAF chief. “I was promised that when I come here in February, 11 Tejas Mk1As would be ready. And not a single one is ready.”IAF chief

As already acknowledged, now most indians are frustrated with HAL for their false commitment and delay in delivery.

 

[FuturePAF]

2.5 engine needed per airframe


It's a single engine aircraft

Even With airframe life of 8000 hrs

It will require engine replacement after 20 years
We won't need more than 2 engines over It's lifespan

IAF does keep some spare engines
But the number will be equal to 15-20% of the fleet not 50%

I’m just relaying your ACM’s words. I suspect the extra 0.5 engines are meant as spares, and if he says he needs 50%, then I’m inclined to believe him as a professional manager of his service.

 

[Yasser76]

“HAL is our company, we have all worked there. But I find that HAL is just not in mission mode,” said the IAF chief. “I was promised that when I come here in February, 11 Tejas Mk1As would be ready. And not a single one is ready.”IAF chief

As already acknowledged, now most indians are frustrated with HAL for their false commitment and delay in delivery.

You literally change your stance depending on what day and thread you are on

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

“HAL is our company, we have all worked there. But I find that HAL is just not in mission mode,” said the IAF chief. “I was promised that when I come here in February, 11 Tejas Mk1As would be ready. And not a single one is ready.”IAF chief

As already acknowledged, now most indians are frustrated with HAL for their false commitment and delay in delivery.

Dear I haven't seen the video, as I'm unable to do so at the moment. However, based on text of the article and the comments in this thread, my previous comment wasn't about engine delivery delays. HAL can't do much about those if everything except the engine is ready. My specific concern is the Indian Air Force's (IAF) expectations regarding the Tejas specifications (about which I feel and assume the IAF chief is not satisfied), and for future inductions like the Mk2 and AMCA. The question is whether HAL will be managed solely by the IAF, or if there will be some mechanism for the IAF to directly and promptly communicate and update their expectations. There's clearly a disconnect if the Mk1A doesn't meet IAF expectations (beyond just timelines), regardless of whether the issue lies with HAL or the IAF, and this needs to be resolved.

 

[Jammer]

Do give your gyaan to someone else. The Tejas trainer has been used to give back seat joy rides to a bunch of people, including the following:

- Singaporean Def Min Ng Eng Hen
- USAF Chief of Staff David Goldfein
- French Chief of Staff Andre Lanata
- Luftwaffe Chief of Staff Ingo Gerhartz
- Spanish Air Force Chief of Staff Francisco Carbo
- Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh
- Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi
- Multiple Indian Air Chief Marshals (Arup Raha, RK Bhadauria, VR Chaudhari, AP Singh)

They are all aware of the risks of flying in a fighter and especially a single engine one. The Tejas' safety record inspires confidence, so whatever else you want to attribute it to (not selling, so trying hard to market or whatever) it doesn't matter. They are not forced into the cockpit. They know what they're doing.

It's like trying to teach calculus to a kitchen stool and that too not a sharp one. Carry on young blood.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Dear I haven't seen the video, as I'm unable to do so at the moment. However, based on text of the article and the comments in this thread, my previous comment wasn't about engine delivery delays. HAL can't do much about those if everything except the engine is ready. My specific concern is the Indian Air Force's (IAF) expectations regarding the Tejas specifications (about which I feel and assume the IAF chief is not satisfied), and for future inductions like the Mk2 and AMCA. The question is whether HAL will be managed solely by the IAF, or if there will be some mechanism for the IAF to directly and promptly communicate and update their expectations. There's clearly a disconnect if the Mk1A doesn't meet IAF expectations (beyond just timelines), regardless of whether the issue lies with HAL or the IAF, and this needs to be resolved.

He said and explain - expections about delivery of aircrafts on timeliness

He was angry because hal mk1 represented by hal with wrongly mentiong mk1a

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You literally change your stance depending on what day and thread you are on

I don't - I have been already criticising hal on different threads for their work culture and delays..

But never criticized the aircraft because on technology perspective because stant is very clear when we talk about South Asia perspective

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

He said and explain - expections about delivery of aircrafts on timeliness

He was angry because hal mk1 represented by hal with wrongly mentiong mk1a

He was angry because hal mk1 represented by hal with wrongly mentiong mk1a

Doesn't this tell you a lot?

Timelines can be considered an uncontrolled factor affecting the HAL program's completion. However, if there's a discrepancy between the capabilities promised to the IAF and what they receive in the Mk 1A, it's a serious issue, and if true, it's practically criminal. Capabilities cannot be compromised.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

He was angry because hal mk1 represented by hal with wrongly mentiong mk1a

Doesn't this tell you a lot?

Timelines can be considered an uncontrolled factor affecting the HAL program's completion. However, if there's a discrepancy between the capabilities promised to the IAF and what they receive in the Mk 1A, it's a serious issue, and if true, it's practically criminal. Capabilities cannot be compromised.

Not sure if you are following the actual reasons for the delays. Thanks.

I’m also not sure what you’re trying to prove by ignoring the reaons of delays and focusing only on "technology," which is irrelevant to the actual cause of the delays.

No one questions the technology, but as said, everyone is frustrated with delays of delivery.

and to add—MK1a is just completed the testing within 2-3 years once Mk1 was inducted, i dont see much delay between Mk1 and Mk1a

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Not sure if you are following the actual reasons for the delays. Thanks.

I’m also not sure what you’re trying to prove by ignoring the reaons of delays and focusing only on "technology," which is irrelevant to the actual cause of the delays.

No one questions the technology, but as said, everyone is frustrated with delays of delivery.

and to add—MK1a is just completed the testing within 2-3 years once Mk1 was inducted, i dont see much delay between Mk1 and Mk1a

First, my apologies if I have failed to convey my thoughts.

What I'm trying to convey is that while engine delay exists, that's not what I'm discussing (because it's already been discussed to death in this forum). My points of discussion are the following comments from the IAF Chief:

-Mazaa nahi aa raha hai,
-Tejas Mk1A jets showcased at the Aero India 2025 show are not Mk1A jets
-The aircraft that you flew, calling it Mk1A. It is not Mk1A.
-It cannot happen just by change of one software or by looks.
-When the weapons come and the capability comes, then it’s a Mk1A

These comment gives the impression that the IAF chief thinks the MK1A is no different from the MK1 in terms of capability, and that HAL only made cosmetic changes and renamed the MK1 to MK1A.

If that's true, then it's a serious matter, and HAL shouldn't be let off the hook for this lack of improved capability.