How Chinese engineers helped build the US semiconductor empire, 80 or 90 per cent of them have already returned to China

[AjayGhatak]

The next Jensen Huang will be staying in China or moving from Taiwan to China, rather than move to the US.

Unless western living standards fall behind a lot, no one who has lived in west as an immigrant willingly moves to likes of China. Heck, I find a lot of folks having hard time in Singapore or even Japan. Truth about all these countries is that without having deep connections with those in power you can not be successful in China. So no, the direction of immigration is going to majorly remain East (including Japan, China, SK, Singapore, Taiwan) to West and much much less West to East.

 

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. So no, the direction of immigration is going to majorly remain East (including Japan, China, SK, Singapore, Taiwan) to West and much much less West to East.

The countries in East Asia have limited spaces for their crowded populations.

 

[AjayGhatak]

The countries in East Asia have limited spaces for their crowded populations.

More reason. Why will anyone like to live in crammed quarters of HongKong or Singapore or Tokyo while they can have nice house in Austin or Seattle or San Deigo.

 

[UKBengali]

Unless western living standards fall behind a lot, no one who has lived in west as an immigrant willingly moves to likes of China. Heck, I find a lot of folks having hard time in Singapore or even Japan. Truth about all these countries is that without having deep connections with those in power you can not be successful in China. So no, the direction of immigration is going to majorly remain East (including Japan, China, SK, Singapore, Taiwan) to West and much much less West to East.

Misundertstood my point.

There will be no reverse migration but the brainpower from China/Taiwan will come to an end.

US needs Chinese brains and not the other way round.

If you look at the data very few Chinese stem graduates decide to permanently settle in US as most go back to China once they have finished their studies.

 

[AjayGhatak]

There will be no reverse migration but the brainpower from China/Taiwan will come to an end.

Look, there are already families having Chinese ancestry in west and their progeny is going to be there. And if and when China gains back Taiwan, we will see more flight of talent from Taiwan. If taiwanese were given choice they will always take USA over China.

More important, just like from India, US always takes best and brightest from China. China given its authoritative nature will always repel a significant number of talented by socially not well connected individuals who will find refuge in west. China is not the first and not unique in that regards. Before China, Japan in 70s, 80s and 90s also had same situation where they were growing fast but sending a massive number of emigrants to USA.

And then, if China stagnates (for which there are signs already), west will keep on getting top talents from China.

And then there is India too.

 

[UKBengali]

Look, there are already families having Chinese ancestry in west and their progeny is going to be there. And if and when China gains back Taiwan, we will see more flight of talent from Taiwan. If taiwanese were given choice they will always take USA over China.

I am surprised you do not understand basic statistics.

There are only a million or so Chinese-Americans but 1000 times more Chinese/Taiwanese.

The few Taiwanese that leave for US won't make much difference to the overall "brainpower" deficit that US has compared to China/Taiwan.

In effect US is screwed as Chinese brainpower is now drying up.

 

[AjayGhatak]

If you look at the data very few Chinese stem graduates decide to permanently settle in US as most go back to China once they have finished their studies.

This has more to do with messy immigration system in USA. USA is still processing GC of those who submitted their GC application in 2020. Thats a long wait. Given there are now decent opportunities in China, they leave USA.

Still US GC queue for Chinese in EB-1 is over subscribed and have moved from being current (in mid 2010s) to now 2022 vintage. It shows when it comes to top talent, USA is attracting more talent and not less. Needless to say EB-1 filters best and brightest as it is pretty hard to qualify.

 

[AjayGhatak]

There are only a million or so Chinese-Americans but 1000 times more Chinese/Taiwanese.

The few Taiwanese that leave for US won't make much difference to the overall "brainpower" deficit that US has compared to China/Taiwan.

What you do not understand is when it comes to brainpower, the top talent matters. And that US gets either from its own inland Chinese and other asians AND through EB-1 program from China which has been oversubscribed now (as compared to mid 2010s).

For skilled to highly skilled folks, US has entire world including India, Russia, Eastern Europe etc.

So no, US is not running out of man power anytime soon.