‘I want to cry’: Afghan medical students in Pakistan face expulsion fear

[gamaji]

Stupidity at the highest level. Let them finish their degree and they will become your ambassador.

Ambassador? How many Afghans have become Pak's ambassador after living in Pakistan for generations? I have never seen or heard of a single Afghanistani who ever uttered a single word in Pakistan's support. On the contrary. all of them curse Pakistan, oppose anything related to Pakistan, and support (and join hands with) Pakistan's enemies to harm Pakistan. I have never seen more ungrateful people than these Afghanis including Taliban.

However, it's not a matter of hate or love. No country in world allows undocumented foreigners, be it a student, worker, or a refugee. The medical students having proper documents should be (and I am sure will be) allowed to continue their education. However, the illegal ones must be deported from Pakistan and allowed to return only with valid travel/entry documents. What is wrong with that?

Pakistan is already paying dearly with blood for the foolish past policies regarding Afghanis pursued by successive Pak governments. Terrorism, smuggling, crime, and what not came with these Afghanis. Pakistan has been sliding down to become a lawless state with the law of the land overcome by mafias just because of those policies. That down slide must be stopped and reversed by full enforcement of the law everywhere. In advanced countries, an offender cannot tell the police officer that 'uncle muaaf kar do, ab nahi karoon ga'. It becomes a matter/affair between the accused and the judge.

 

[Ag1123]

If Pakistan had no afghan refugees a tightly controlled border then even if Pakistan had decided to put boots on ground in Afghanistan with NATO which they should have and also in NWFP and wider KPK immediately in 2005, they still would have remained untouched.

Look at Turkey and their internal security situation during the height of ISIS in Syria back in 2012. Completely unaffected because the border looked like this.

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Friend, I don't want to be a bearer of bad news but some things I have to clear up.

Turkey is a secular nation, people within that vicinity have traditionally observed secular points of view in the past and current century.

The situation in the broader Middle East is "dynamic" (I was trying to find the word to describe it and that was the best I could find).

For example, many people head to Turkey in order to make their way to Europe, these borders in all honesty mean nothing.

This now brings us to the political apparatus. Why then are certain regions more prone to "destabilization" or "subterfuge" more than others? This is the political problem, and it has more or less to do with interests, race and religion than anything.

Let me point to an example that crystallizes this point of view more than any other... Yugoslavia or rather the Balkans.

That area is like a volcano, different ethnics, different religions, its a disaster waiting to happen. Bismarck said it best when he said that it would be the Balkans... "some damned foolish thing in the Balkans"... And he was right, WW1 (whatever the backstory) was triggered because of the Balkans.

Now this brings us to Pakistan. Pakistan and Afghanistan is like Asias Balkans, you have a religious mess, you have an ethnic mess, and all of this adds to political ammunition waiting to be exploited by anyone who feels aggrieved or wants influence., especially foreigners.

This is not to say that Turkey isn't prone to this, it is as a matter of fact, we've been fighting PKK much longer than anyone. But it was the Kurds who took up arms against religious fanatics. If they however embrace fanaticism like the rest of the middle east is doing, then that fence you see in the picture will mean nothing. That is the bottom line. Everything comes down to the people, and the people of Afghanistan are connected to the people of Pakistan and Iran. The only reason they can't do anything to Iran is because of different religions, but believe me if Iran and Afghanistan were both Shia and Afghanistan wanted to cause trouble in Iran, it would do so without any difficulty, that's what it really comes down to.

Hopefully this cleared up a few misconceptions.

 

[Master Chief]

Afghans were offered to join Pak federation in 47 but they rejected. They consider themselves better than subcontinent because they rule over it once.

Very very important point that many continue to ignore.

Afghans genuinely believe they are better than other browns, even though Pakistani pashtuns willingly chose to join Pakistan at its inception. Hence the vile slur of "Gul Khan".

Afghans did gladly worship the British though, much like another group of peoppe we know of in the region.

There was a time when Afghan leaders offered their womenfolk openly to the British, such was the state of acquiescence. No wonder they were immediately offended by Pakistan daring to offer proud and sustained nationhood to those Pashtuns who wanted it, without any such insult of "formalised handover of womenfolk". Kabul would never bow to Islamabad as they used to bow to London, purely because of an entrenched racial supremacist presupposition (with whites being the only race above them and worthy of their subservience, of course).

Kabul was outmanouevered by Pakistan in the 1940s and they have been a bitter little non-entity ever since then. So be it.

 

[ThunderCat]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!...................Apart from terrorism and the murder of 90,000+ Pakistanis from afghan terrorist scumbags, Pakistan gets NOTHING good from afghans and afghanistan. There should NOT be even 1 afghan in Pakistan.

Not to mention all the trouble they gave us since our independence, which is why they're in a mess today.

 

[ThunderCat]

Afghans were offered to join Pak federation in 47 but they rejected. They consider themselves better than subcontinent because they rule over it once.

Pak establishment thought Afgan would blend in because cultural similarities but they got that shit wrong. Dead wrong.

Technically they didn't, considering the Afghan state came into being in the mid 1800s.

All those empires came from present-day Afghanistan. Like our Sikh Empire, which was from today's Pakistani Punjab.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Ambassador? How many Afghans have become Pak's ambassador after living in Pakistan for generations? I have never seen or heard of a single Afghanistani who ever uttered a single word in Pakistan's support. On the contrary. all of them curse Pakistan, oppose anything related to Pakistan, and support (and join hands with) Pakistan's enemies to harm Pakistan. I have never seen more ungrateful people than these Afghanis including Taliban.

However, it's not a matter of hate or love. No country in world allows undocumented foreigners, be it a student, worker, or a refugee. The medical students having proper documents should be (and I am sure will be) allowed to continue their education. However, the illegal ones must be deported from Pakistan and allowed to return only with valid travel/entry documents. What is wrong with that?

Pakistan is already paying dearly with blood for the foolish past policies regarding Afghanis pursued by successive Pak governments. Terrorism, smuggling, crime, and what not came with these Afghanis. Pakistan has been sliding down to become a lawless state with the law of the land overcome by mafias just because of those policies. That down slide must be stopped and reversed by full enforcement of the law everywhere. In advanced countries, an offender cannot tell the police officer that 'uncle muaaf kar do, ab nahi karoon ga'. It becomes a matter/affair between the accused and the judge.

The claim that “all Afghans are ungrateful and anti‑Pakistan” is factually incorrect, historically incomplete, and unfair to millions of Afghans who have lived peacefully, contributed economically, and maintained positive ties with Pakistan. Security concerns are real, but they don’t justify blanket judgments about an entire people.

Recently, I was invited by Afghani brother for Dinner and Pakistani retired Major sahab was also there.

 

[Watandar]

Punishing innocent civilians because they are Afghans and because of frustrations with terrorism is not the right way. Field Marshall expelled millions of innocent refugees just to pressure the Taliban, did it work ? Nopes.

Field Marshall and his genius colleagues should have thought about whether handing over a country to a terrorist militia was the right policy. When that lunatic policy predictably failed then why target refugees ???

And for those claiming Pakistani "hospitality", these Afghan refugees live on the margins of society and are treated like animals by the police and govt agencies and constantly harassed by the general public. You should look at how unfairly they are treated in fee paying hospitals even when they are paying patients like everyone else. They face similar discrimination in educational institutes.

 

[HRK]

I think it happens in every country. You can find the troublemakers and expel them. But I am sure the majority are decent people. Like Afghans in Iran. Or any immigrant in any country.

It's not about individuals or isolated incidents but a common traits of Afghans in Pakistan. They are racist of worst class and even call pukhtoons of Pakistan with racial slurs.

So it's not something they should cry about if they don't even consider Pakistan as a legitimate state then they should f.u.c.k off to their own country or wherever they find suitable.

We should not allow our nation to be the hostage of their victimhood mentality.

Pakistan is not legally bind to provide them facilities and resources which are scarce even for its own nation

 

[HRK]

Stupidity at the highest level. Let them finish their degree and they will become your ambassador.

Remember Karzai ??? Or Amar Ullah Saleh ??? Or many others .

At one point in time in Afhan history over 90% of Afghan cabinet in including President had Pakistani CNIC which they acquired during their stay in Pakistan.

 

[HRK]

Punishing innocent civilians because they are Afghans and because of frustrations with terrorism is not the right way. Field Marshall expelled millions of innocent refugees just to pressure the Taliban, did it work ? Nopes.

Field Marshall and his genius colleagues should have thought about whether handing over a country to a terrorist militia was the right policy. When that lunatic policy predictably failed then why target refugees ???

And for those claiming Pakistani "hospitality", these Afghan refugees live on the margins of society and are treated like animals by the police and govt agencies and constantly harassed by the general public. You should look at how unfairly they are treated in fee paying hospitals even when they are paying patients like everyone else. They face similar discrimination in educational institutes.

Oh brother have you not noticed the harassment by LEAs towards weak & poorer Sarikies, Baloch or Sindhis from interior Sindh or even in Punjab ???

Don't you see the discrimination against them in public facilities???

Why some special love for Afghan Nationals.

 

[Watandar]

Oh brother have you not noticed the harassment by LEAs towards weak & poorer Sarikies, Baloch or Sindhis from interior Sindh or even in Punjab ???

Don't you see the discrimination against them in public facilities???

Why some special love for Afghan Nationals.

It's not special love, it's about justice. Treat everyone fairly, even law abiding foreigners who are only in your country because their own is fractured by war. I am against punishing innocent civilians for the crimes of others.