India Has Lost Air Superiority to Pakistan, No Jets Left to Fight

[Master Chief]

The evidence must be all over the internet right? Oh hey we all saw that Arma 3 footage you published had a good laugh at the "evidences". What is amiss this time is capture of a female pilot.

IAF did what they were asked to do so why fire him. " Bolnari Nur Khan base mein aage khire," you guys are great video graphers, gotta give you that. Meanwhile we had some rando air def interception and college kids howling at it. I guess his performance review went quite well since.

Genuinely not sure what you want in terms of "evidence" that wasnt posted on this thread and on others already. The videos and pictures taken by your own citizens require your urgent and meticulous review before anything else. Others are convinced, even non-Pakistanis. Feel free to cite Arma 3 or conspiracies about female pilots all you wish but none of that obviates the hard truths of the matter. These periodic lapses of memory of yours are becoming a drain on those you converse with.

Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'

Tuesday at 10:28 PM

Posting all non Pakistani sources confirming multiple iaf aircraft getting shot down by paf

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Indian express


France 24





Bloomberg



Trt global

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As for your IAF chief, please do persist with him. No complaints here.

 

[Master Chief]

Perhaps you misread. Weren't you talking about videos or clips of wild life and trains?

I cited those threads as examples of the erroneous depiction therein of the sovereignty status of Kashmir, not because I am concerned over Indian wildlife and trains. Man, this isn't like you at all. Are you off your meds??

 

[samsite84]

I am ok with you not wanting war. We don't either, no sane person should ever ask/want that. It is quite easy for us to sit here talk tough while someone else has to make the ultimate sacrifice.

That aside, I would dispute the assertion that India will "shove back so hard that there is no dispute of the outcomes". Aside from East Pakistan with a beleaguered garrison, when has India in the past 70+ years been able to "absolutely" dominate Pakistan? Never, because the capabilities on the two sides have been enhanced relative to each other.

Second, before India crosses any significant red lines, we have our doctrine established to pre-empt such outcomes and specially those that would lead to a significant destruction of military forces and loss of territory. These have been talked about by those much closer to Pakistan's security planning so I would be redundant trying to spell them out.

My sincere, and also unfortunately unimportant, hope is that both India and Pakistan realize the folly of war. Looking at what has gone on in the recent past in Russia-Ukraine and also the ME, one can only imagine the mass-scale destruction and utter carnage a full-scale war will bring. Perhaps the respective governments will realize that as loathed to the idea of talking they may be, it is still a 1000x better than trying to settle things on the battlefield.

Thank you for the sane reply and I hope sanity prevails on both sides.

I agree with your verdict on Indian not being able to absolutely dominate Pakistan is right but differ on the causes. India for the longest time has had measured response according to me. One of the biggest example in recent history is Kargil where Indian soilders didn't cross the LOC, the Navy wasn't utilized even though it would have saved a lot of resources. Some proponents might say it was to stop escalation/intervention from a third party and yes that might be partly right but a similar intervention was avoided/neglected in case of Bangladesh.

People here try to propogate current dispensation as a monster or something but the ground reality is very different. Modi landed in Pakistan impromptu, believed that PAthankot investigation will lead somewhere. When diplomacy failed (as it has for the longest time), the GoI shifted to a "limited" war.

On red lines:
We have heard a lot about red-lines e.g., Indus water, cross-border strikes by crossing IB etc. - both these red-lines have been crossed and now new ones established. Indian perspective: as long as we don't occupy Pakistan/take any territory, we have a fair right to protect our people and our interests esp. if we believe the threat is emanating from Pakistan's territory with or without the tacit approval of state. Right, wrong or indifferent - that is how an average Indian thinks...

Big picture:
This has been discussed to death on this forum, but I don't see a lasting peace until the control of Pakistan establishment (and Army) is loosened on the state. As an India, I see that the only purpose of Pakistan Army is to enrich itself at the cost of common man and it will be anything to be in prime position to do so. Fostering animosity in India is a direct result of it. Its fair to assume that Indian politicians will also use Pakistan as a shield or to distract from their performance but its hard to find any instance where a government was able to survive because they painted Pakistan bad. Even as powerful a leader as Indira Gandhi was ousted because of her dictatorial ways. Her victory against Pakistan had no bearing on the verdict.

 

[Defender]

Do you have any idea what type of joker India pm modi has become in sco meeting he said no terrorist will be allowed every one start stretching their heads during British empire they call USA freedom fighters terrorist then when USA becomes superpower he called his enemy terrorist Pakistan has his own terrorist Russia called Ukraine terrorist so which terrorist was modi was talking about. President trump was watching the tv and saw that so thought in his mind what if superpower India start going in chronological order. Usa will be first on his list so he order his forces to bomb India vessel till it slink and when India protest he said shut up you brat and go to your room

 

[RAJPUT]

And yet...

India supplied many many foreign countries with the COVID vaccine, wonder where Pakistan was. I wouldn't talk much about batti and all just that India has been giving batti non-stop since 1947

Pakistan was busy supplying oxygen tanks to the nangi awam of Bharat that was left to rot by the RSS ridden Indian Government.

Forget about batti, we have given our whole 'banh' up your dirty asses since the partition.

How do you guys not commit suicide when a 9 times smaller country keeps handing your asses to you in every skirmish despite being down the drain in every economic metric and infested with militias being funded by your RSS chaddi banyan gang of fagg***?

 

[Defender]

Why even India call 1971 as Pakistan and India war India has crooked history books in Pakistan history books and western history books it called civil war between west and east Pakistan which lasted for Nearly 9 months and maintain logistic to east Pakistan was impossible due to 3000 miles
Even with out India involved east Pakistan was lost

• The 3,000-mile supply line around India was bleeding the Pakistani treasury dry.
  
  
  
• The local population was entirely hostile, and the rural areas were already under the effective control of the Bengali resistance.
• It was only a matter of time before East Pakistan successfully broke away on its own due to sheer exhaustion on the part of the West Pakistani garrison.

There is what china history books say ussr push India to intervene in last 9 days and was unacceptable with in return into stand off between USA carrier strike groups and ussr counter measures Pakistan also blame ussr and when ussr invaded Afghanistan Pakistan settled the score cia only provide funds and weapons Pakistan military and isi has full operational control with no say of cia and Pakistan isi broke the moral of red army long before stinger missle was introduced and Pakistan broke ussr into pieces only Russia left and ussr was dead forever