India is incomplete without Pakistan: Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajapayee
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El Sidd
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@PakFactor has unflinching belief that it was an emotional mistake and religion as foundation basis for a country is a deeply flawed construct. He is not an exception, there are many who share this feeling with the RSS chief.
You can do a poll of esteemed members and be enlightened.
Baibers_1260
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Good idea. I already floated this idea of a poll with a mixed reception.
See below
Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'
https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...ews-updates-and-discussion.21640/post-1115682
Baibers_1260
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I wouldn't call the RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat a "foolish individual ". In fact I am quite impressed by him.
Mohan Bhagwat heads the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a "cultural " Hindu nationalist paramilitary organization, that just celebrated its centennial. As of 2024, the RSS is one of the world's largest voluntary organizations, with an estimated 4 to 6 million members and over 73,000 daily shakhas(branches). The RSS aims to promote Hindutva (Hindu-ness) and establish a Hindu Rashtra (nation).and is the ideological foundation of the ruling Bhartiya Janta Party. India's Vishwaguru is himself an RSS member.
It's not a whacky idea but a core ideology of India's and the world's largest voluntary cultural para-military organization. The RSS,
There IS substance in the claim backed by the world's third largest armed forces supported by a $4 trillion economy. The Institute of Strategic Studies, Institute for the Study of War, and Stinson Center have all analyzed the recent revival of the Sundarji Plan, by India's Armed Forces strategic planners to attack, overrun and occupy Pakistan. The general details of the plan are well known. This video below gives a graphic account of Pakistan's hopeless position and certain defeat in the face of overwhelming odds in the war that is imminent. The destruction of Pakistan is being planned as we speak. A simultaneous amphibious assault on Karachi and a massive armored thrust through Rajasthan employing 1 million troops will cut Pakistan in half and send it into the history books forever
The video below is not a teen age Tik Tok meme upload but a serious analysis by some of the world's best think tanks. References of Indian defence analysts are given.
If you find the video long then scroll to the point 30 minutes and watch going forward, Let me know what you think.
El Sidd
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Unpopular opinion incoming:
The RSS chief is not making this statement out of the blue nor it is absurd. I won't be surprised if Modis famous ' Pakistan ne hum per hi hamla kardia ' came about from perception given by many 'intellectuals' who believe a regional response to 'extremism' in Pakistan would be welcomed and appreciated.
It's quite a prevalent opinion here on this website that State of Pakistan nurtures and create terrorists as policy.
El Sidd
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Posturing for what? It's like saying 10 million hardcore fans of mein kampf are just fans and somehow it provides purpose. I don't expect you to detail what that purpose is nor why followers are interested in it.
Vikramaditya1
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I simply talked about the reality of old city and it is a dump. It's like saying economy of Dharavi slum is good, yeah it is good but the potential is higher. Old city has a lot of potential compared to hitec city. Hyderabad new city is fairly old, at least 30 years old.Youare the one who made the comparison between Old ("poor" )City
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Baibers_1260
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Every "Old City " area in all the cities of India are dumps. There isn't a single Old City area that has been kept clean and preserved for heritage; and its not a "Muslims are dirty " thing
Budhwar Peth and Bhavani Peth in Pune is one example, as is Sonagachi in Kolkata, G.B. Road in Delhi, as is the Kodambakkam area of Chennai . There are not many Muslims in these areas, and we will not discuss the common mode of employment of female residents here. So far as Old Hyderabad is concerned it is unlikely that female residents in those areas have much to contribute to Mulla Owaisi's political fund. Enough said. Let's move back to the topic.
Baibers_1260
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Thanks for the example. My understanding is that all the foolish people are on one side of the border which is in Pakistan.
Would you call Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Rajnath Singh, Mohan Bhagwat "foolish people " . That's sacrilege !
Master Chief
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So what you're saying is...Pakistani fools make youtube videos and are lampooned routinely, while Indian fools, like Vajpayee, Bhagwat and their colourful progeny run a country of 1.5 billion?
Here is Yogi uncle:
India a ‘Hindu Rashtra’, ‘Akhand Bharat’ will come true, says Yogi Adityanath
Pakistan can amalgamate into India, said the CM while answering a question on Pakistan’s decline.
Please get back to me when Hamid Gul becomes Chief Minister of a Pakistani state.
" ‘Akhand Bharat’ will transform into reality, and it will be in the interest of Pakistan to amalgamate into India. “Pakistan is not a reality in the spiritual world. If something is not reality, it is fortunate that they survived for so long. It is in their interest to quickly amalgamate into India,” said the CM while answering a question on Pakistan’s decline. “Akhand Bharat is a reality, it will happen,” he said. "
It must be tough being some sort of Shashi Tharoor Temu version holding up masks for the saffronists and littering this thread with your "reassurances", while your nation's leadership openly repeats exactly what Pakistani members here are claiming.
Baibers_1260
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The masks have always been been there. This New York Times report dated September 1960 is quite interesting:
NEHRU ASKS FOR UNITY WITH PAKISTANIS; Indian Prime Minister Is Hailed as He Visits Lahore -- Bids Two Nations 'Pull Together for Peace',
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Says the man who oversaw the massacre of 250,000 in Jammu within 20 days. A feat unrivaled even in Bosnia )LAHORE, Pakistan, Sept. 22 -Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru made a fervent appeal today for Indian - Pakistani unity in the face of what he called grave dangers to world peace. "We can pull our weight to- gether for peace," he declared in a speech here, "but it is necessary that we walk to- gether." The Indian Prime Minister spoke at a civic reception here in the 300-year-old Shalimar Garden.
It followed a rousing welcome by the people of Lahore, the biggest Mr. Nehru has received since he came to Pakistan Monday. His speech gave a hint that his talks with President Mohammed Ayub Khan of Pakistan had gone well. He thanked Field Marshal Ayub for the "love and friendship and hospi- tality" that had been shown to him by the Pakistanis. Mr. Nehru is in Pakistan for a five-day visit intended to im- prove relations between the two countries.
On Monday he and President Ayub signed four agreements ending the thirteen- year dispute on the use of waters of the Indus River sys- tem and providing for new agricultural and hydroelectric power development in the border regions. Since then Mr. Nehru and President Ayub have conferred on other matters in dispute, in- cluding trade, commerce and financial questions arising from the division of assets when the Indian subcontinent was par- titioned in 1947.
Some big and complicated problems between India and Pakistan remain, while other problems have been solved, Mr. Nehru said. But he added that in a world of tremendous sci- entific advances "our problems are small."
Prime Minister Nehru re- called the suffering in both countries in the violence that followed the 1947 partition. "When wounds are made by friends or relatives, they go deeper and take a long time to cure," he said. "But no matter how deep the wounds, in the end we have to go the same path together."
He cited the common struggle in India and Pakistan against poverty. He said both countries had progressed but had to go faster in the face of world problems. "Both India and Pakistan have to walk together, helping each other," the Prime Minister declared. Mr. Nehru referred briefly to his trip to New York next week to attend the United Nations General Assembly. He declared: "I will not be able to perform miracles there but the call is so firm that I cannot refuse. In whatever way I can serve I will."
peagle
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Isn't it that Pakistan is incomplete without India?
Since India came out of Pakistan and our Indus Valley civilisation. Just because a son grows bigger doesn't make him the father.
peagle
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If it reinforces an aft forgotten fact, then why not.
There's a sickness across the border which they try very hard to conceal, and Pakistanis have a habit of forgetting by the next morning.
When Tejas went down in Dubai, I read the comments, the typical Pakistan rubbish ohhh the poor man died and so on, even I was conflicted for couple of days, before realising that we are still technically at war, it's a ceasefire after naked Indian aggression.
We don't know what role he played in killing of Pakistani children, or what role he could have played, yet here was the majority feeling sympathetic towards a killer of Pakistani children.
So, if it requires Rehashing of old stories to remind everyone, then why not indeed.
Vikramaditya1
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There are plenty of old cities that look nice and clean, I simply pointed out Owaisi is not such an important figure in Hyderabad. Most people see his party as a B Team of BJP. As for the rest you probably have some weird thing for redlight regions, you keep repeating it from time to time lol!
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