India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Oscar]

Oh, I would have been more than happy if you had struck first and shot down all 72 jets attacking Pakistan. After all, you had their entire kill chain under your control. So why did you hesitate?
Remember, deterrence stops all-out wars, not dithering.

That is ignorance of someone who understands literal English but not the actual terms within them.

Therefore the aircraft brought down that day were all those that were actively launching something at Pakistan or deemed to meet the “ensure kill, deny own loss” requirement.

Bringing down a kill chain doesn’t mean the IAF aircraft themselves were completely ineffective but their eyes and ears were throughly degraded in capability.

Cutting off a kill chain isn’t a perpetual act -
And when it was shut off it meant PaF was free to take the shots it needed.
However, just like you there are points where you will take hits to the face and there is a point where either you will back away or go all out or even pull out a gun in panic.

It is very likely that the PAF could have shot down many more aircraft that day in pursuit - but then what if that caused more panic than usual and led to not tens but hundreds of SSM launches at Pakistan?
What if led to an even greater escalation ladder then that was seen in the next few days?

There is what I can do - and what I should do.
Children - what to think in terms of what they can do as you are suggesting
Wisdom dictates you think of what you should do.

You’ve been given all the explanations needed to answer you - agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Oscar]

تھوڑی عقل لڑاؤ

ابھی تین چار بھکتورے بین کیے تھے اسی ہفتے

اور اب تین اور ایک دم رجسٹر ہوگئے

ان بھرووں کے من نا لاگو

یہ صرف وقت ضائع اور مزے لینے آتے ھیں



بس رپورٹ کرو سیدھا اور کرتے جاو

باقی مچھر ہمیں مارنے دو

 

[iblini]

Here's a fun for you before I go to bed

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The Indian always overused these terms GaN based blah blah, hypersonic blah blah, stat of art, game changer, a radar system is much more complicated than semiconductor material, and GaN is not some magic powder from witchcraft, even my xiaomi charger is GaN.

If they just wanted sounds fancy, it's the Ga2O3, that is the real NG semiconductor material.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Is this really happening:


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USA inflation is through the roof. This isn't surprising. Desperate India will be asked to $500m for single F-35.

 

[MH.Yang]

The Indian always overused these terms GaN based blah blah, hypersonic blah blah, stat of art, game changer, a radar system is much more complicated than semiconductor material, and GaN is not some magic powder from witchcraft, even my xiaomi charger is GaN.

If they just wanted sounds fancy, it's the Ga2O3, that is the real NG semiconductor material.

Just because GaN is common in China doesn't mean it's common worldwide. For example, other than China, only the F-35, F-15EX, Jas-39E/F has GaN AESA, not even the F-22.

In China, even the JF-17b3 is using GaN AESA. Farms in China are using AESA to repel wild boars, and even cell phone chargers are using GaN.

As for Ga2O3, even in China, only the KJ-3000 is using Ga2O3.

in this situation, it is difficult for India to pursue GaN, let alone Ga2O3.

 

[Alex]

That is ignorance of someone who understands literal English but not the actual terms within them.
Therefore the aircraft brought down that day were all those that were actively launching something at Pakistan or deemed to meet the “ensure kill, deny own loss” requirement.

Thank you for the response, Oscar.
I understand the technical terms pretty well. I may not be an expert, but I have enough relevant knowledge. The statement you made above was made by Dar after the 6/7 May strikes by India. "Pakistan only targeted the Indian jets which emptied their loads on Pakistani civilian sites."

Bringing down a kill chain doesn’t mean the IAF aircraft themselves were completely ineffective but their eyes and ears were throughly degraded in capability.

Correct, this is precisely what I am asking. When their eyes and ears were degraded, i.e., their system jammed, why were they allowed to attack Pakistan instead of being killed by the PAF before they could attack?

Cutting off a kill chain isn’t a perpetual act -
And when it was shut off it meant PaF was free to take the shots it needed.
However, just like you there are points where you will take hits to the face and there is a point where either you will back away or go all out or even pull out a gun in panic.

It is very likely that the PAF could have shot down many more aircraft that day in pursuit - but then what if that caused more panic than usual and led to not tens but hundreds of SSM launches at Pakistan? What if led to an even greater escalation ladder then that was seen in the next few days?

You are confirming exactly what I am arguing. The reason behind the reluctance to destroy the enemy to the extent that it deters him from attacking you again in the foreseeable future was plainly the overthinking of the escalation ladder.
My point is simple: that is wrong thinking and a wrong plan of action. You have just moved today's problem towards tomorrow. That's not dealing with the problem; it is just avoiding it. Without thinking that it is a cotton wool ball, it is getting bigger, not reducing in size and danger.

A fighter who lets his opponent off the canvas too many times faces real danger of being knocked out himself.

You’ve been given all the explanations needed to answer you - agree to disagree and move on.

True.

 

[Alex]

I dispute your 2 outcomes. The first is false. No nuclear site was struck (which I will remind you was one of your earlier claims). You have watered this down now to our nuclear deterrence being "busted". You yourself backtracked on your previous claim. Nothing more to add from me. Y

Master Chief, whatever I wrote, I always quoted the sources accurately.
For above, hear this from Pakistan's own YouTuber. It is not Indian propaganda, as many are alleging.

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Please ask this gentleman the source of his claims. I also read the article that Sipri has confirmed Indian attacks on Pakistan's nuclear installations. I can dig out that article too, if you insist. As I remember it, it was an American website, not Indian.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Just because GaN is common in China doesn't mean it's common worldwide. For example, other than China, only the F-35, F-15EX, Jas-39E/F has GaN AESA, not even the F-22.

In China, even the JF-17b3 is using GaN AESA. Farms in China are using AESA to repel wild boars, and even cell phone chargers are using GaN.

As for Ga2O3, even in China, only the KJ-3000 is using Ga2O3.

in this situation, it is difficult for India to pursue GaN, let alone Ga2O3.

Is JF-17 B3 a GaN based AESA? Any direct evidence for this?

 

[MH.Yang]

Is JF-17 B3 a GaN based AESA? Any direct evidence for this?

The KLJ-7A of the JF-16b3 is GaN.

The PL-15E under the wing of the JF-17b3 is evidence of this.

 

[MastanKhan]

Is JF-17 B3 a GaN based AESA? Any direct evidence for this?

Hi,

You are asking a deino type qeustion---.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Pak didnt use BM's those videos prove absolutely nothing.

Pak used Rockets, these are like the C team for a response. India used Brahmos, Scalp, Rocks, are they not Indian A game weapons?

Indian couldn't use a-2-a missiles, it wasn't due to the lack of not trying but their aircraft were grounded for a few days and then stayed way back beyond the envelope of PL15.

What else in your inventory would reach at least Sirsa if not an SRBM? As I said, most of your missiles are for nuke delivery which is why you only had rockets to fire. India fired no rockets or SRBMs. Air-to-air missiles weren't fired because there was no air combat, PAF just fired upon our jets in desperation for a war trophy. If they could shoot down our planes that easily they would've done that on 7th on the strike package or on 10th. They couldn't.

BrahMos/SCALP are the only air launched cruise missiles in IAF.

You say it so casually like its a walk in the park to knock out advance fighter jets.

Those fighter jets were knocked out for carrying out terror raids in Pak and killing 50 innocent civilians. Its a shame team restraint was in charge and more planes were not knocked out.

I am talking about the jets that went down, if PAF had the capability they would've defended itself from Indian strikes, instead of attacking aircrafts performing CAP over places far away from the attacks. The shear number of PL-15s fired is good example.

Two months later you people are still trying to cope, Dassault CEO said this, some US pilot said that, India used decoys and all other nonsense and now the comedy of PAF attacked some aircraft merely on CAP.
Tell me this, why did IAF go on forced leave for two days, why was India forced to use BrahMos as a last resort, even then Pakistan merely used its FATAH rocket systems and Artillery, Pakistan never felt the need to use it's inventory of missiles like Babur, why.... because after shooting down every frontline aircraft in IAF inventory within first 24 hours and forcing IAF to be grounded, in response to Indian desparation to rely on it's missiles, Pakistani rockets and Artillery was sufficient to make India run for a ceasefire.

Didn't you create a thread over some US Pilots opinions few days back? Cope? Your people are still posting random videos of "strikes on Indian bases" instead of giving satellite imagery.

BrahMos was used on first day, and it wasn't the only thing which was used, Rampage, SCALP, Crystal Maze, HAMMER and all were used. As I said, pakistan's missiles are largely meant as nuke carriers, leaving behind fewer conventional options. A rocket is never going to make anyone run for ceasefire, especially since they have large CEPs. India didn't use MBRLs either due to it being an area weapon.

 

[arjunk]

What else in your inventory would reach at least Sirsa if not an SRBM? As I said, most of your missiles are for nuke delivery which is why you only had rockets to fire. India fired no rockets or SRBMs. Air-to-air missiles weren't fired because there was no air combat,

Fatah is merely rocket artillery. By your logic even a small arms bullet can be called a ballistic missile.

PAF just fired upon our jets in desperation for a war trophy

Nigga what? Pass me the copium, and give me your supplier's number.

. If they could shoot down our planes that easily they would've done that on 7th on the strike package or on 10th. They couldn't.

When you fly 200-300km inside the border at treetop altitude, pop up to lob a long range missile, and then scramble back into hiding? These are tactics that Iran would use against USAF lmao.

 

[ThrustVector998]

PAF just fired upon our jets in desperation for a war trophy.

And got atleast 4 of those

 

[iblini]

Air-to-air missiles weren't fired because there was no air combat, PAF just fired upon our jets in desperation for a war trophy.

you are truly something else, a special one.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

The akash is nothing more that a cheap indian copy of the 2K12 Kub (SA-6 Gainful) 1960s Soviet era SAM system with a few modern components.

well it has a new paint job and an indian name to boot