India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

Master Chief said:
Fascinating and nuanced insights. It is certainly plausible.

However, the status quo is also not to Pakistan's benefit.

The question is, what outcome is worse: slow and calibrated malevolence from our eastern neighbour designed to cause death and destruction, or a large scale war which also brings death and destruction?
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The Pakistani government gained significant benefits from its decision to shoot down only some of the Indian fighter jets.

First, we need to understand the underlying principles of the world order: this world order is controlled by a small number of major powers. Even when these powers compete with each other, they share common interests and a tacit understanding to maintain stability and balance in the world order and prevent a new world war. This is also the reason for the creation of the United Nations and the P5's mutual tolerance of veto power.

By exercising restraint during this war, the Pakistani government demonstrated its willingness and ability to maintain order and balance in the region. It also demonstrated that Pakistan is a stable and predictable government, a strong government capable of restraining military behavior and populism. Such a government and country possesses immense geopolitical value, and this is the real reason for the dramatic shift in the US's attitude toward Pakistan.

I can predict that Pakistan's status in many international organizations, including but not limited to the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the World Health Organization, etc., will be greatly enhanced in the future. The actual benefits Pakistan will gain will far exceed shooting down a few Indian fighter jets.
 
Air Commodore (retd) Khalid Chishti:
On 10 may 2025, 34 Indian targets were hit, 16 Indian Airbases were attacked and Barnala Command & Control Centre is still inoperable nearly 4 months after Pakistan put it out of action.

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Master Chief said:
Fascinating and nuanced insights. It is certainly plausible.

However, the status quo is also not to Pakistan's benefit.

The question is, what outcome is worse: slow and calibrated malevolence from our eastern neighbour designed to cause death and destruction, or a large scale war which also brings death and destruction?
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One thing is getting clearer: the West is on the decline; hence, the USA has revoked the 19th century Monroe Doctrine. It basically means save your a$$ first in the Western Hemispher. And, give a STFU to the European ever squabbling "ladies". As for Pak, buy the precious time while bundling up your energy....

As for Bharat, her weakness is getting exposed with each passing day. Don't disturb her...
 
Pakistan Space Agency said:
On 10 may 2025, 34 Indian targets were hit, 16 Indian Airbases were attacked and Barnala Command & Control Centre is still inoperable nearly 4 months after Pakistan put it out of action.
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Great claim and amazing feat indeed, if supported with some credible proof. Not one satellite picture has been produced to support any of this.
I am pretty sure that Col Sophia’s press conference would be uploaded as an answer, very conveniently omitting the part where she says that there was no significant damage or loss of life.

It is really funny to see one side claiming all the damage to the other side, with no proof of BDA, but, claiming no damage to anything on its own side, attacked with pin point precision.
 
Goenitz said:
so late
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Decoys for S-400 can't produce radiation to lock on.....


What a dumb nation.
 
BonPlan said:
IAF is so disapointed with Rafale that they recommand to purchase 114 more.

www.opex360.com

La force aérienne indienne recommande d'acquérir 114 Rafale de plus - Zone Militaire

En 2018, après avoir fait l'acquisition de 36 chasseurs-bombardiers Rafale auprès de Dassault Aviation, l'Inde lança le programme MRFA pour se procurer
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Or "Giving Dassault a big contract to keep losses under wraps"

See? You can spin this news anyway you want.

Bottom line is Rafale is only real choice for IAF now...
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Great claim and amazing feat indeed, if supported with some credible proof. Not one satellite picture has been produced to support any of this.
I am pretty sure that Col Sophia’s press conference would be uploaded as an answer, very conveniently omitting the part where she says that there was no significant damage or loss of life.

It is really funny to see one side claiming all the damage to the other side, with no proof of BDA, but, claiming no damage to anything on its own side, attacked with pin point precision.
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She actually accepted ‘limited’ damage to equipment & personnel, so even if ‘limited’ is accepted, how does that happen without anything being hit?
As usual you accuse others of saying something that they never said - nobody on this forum has said that ‘all the damage’ was in India only - then you present arguments to say why the narrative you actually invented is false. On the contrary it’s only coping Indians like u making such ridiculous claims that all the damage was in Pakistan only and nothing at all was hit in India.
Now one area where damage was surely only in India was all the top of the line IAF jets that got shot down including Ra-fail. That pain must be so hard to live with & it shows.
 
BonPlan said:
IAF is so disapointed with Rafale that they recommand to purchase 114 more.

www.opex360.com

La force aérienne indienne recommande d'acquérir 114 Rafale de plus - Zone Militaire

En 2018, après avoir fait l'acquisition de 36 chasseurs-bombardiers Rafale auprès de Dassault Aviation, l'Inde lança le programme MRFA pour se procurer
www.opex360.com www.opex360.com
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The Ra-fail, failed of that there is no doubt. Not because it’s a bad jet but because it was soundly defeated by superior tactics. Buying more of them doesn’t change that. Just reflects the fact that in the short term at least India has no better options.
 
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