India to develop with France engine for desi stealth fighter

[El Sidd]

The dam will mostly damage the future East Pakistan.

That's just forcing Pakistan into 2 water agreements with China. One over Indus, the other Brahmaputra

 

[Bigda_Jatt]

Safran is developing the NEW Generation Fighter Engine with MTU of Germany

That is where the real tech will be and no way French and Germans sharing any of it.

Dont worry a lot about us and our engine, we will run a parallel program just in case things go north, at least we try to build something, that is all that matters for developing countries like India, pakistan should also focus on having its own engine.

 

[kimjongun]

Wow, no wonder you people were winning the war on 16 dec'1971.View attachment 142614

If i talk about kaveri, it is more than sufficient for heavy drones, we will make it in the second go and yes we dont expect somebody to hand it over to us on a platter.

kaveri isnt that sufficient when it comes to long hours due to stoppage in metallurgy faced by you guys...If kaveri was that good then you would hvae used it for your loyal wingman prototype....

 

[MH.Yang]

120kN engine?

That's only a medium-thrust engine, which France should be capable of developing successfully.

The threshold for a high thrust engine is 140kN.


All high thrust engines worldwide:

USA: F135 191kN

China: WS-15 181kN

RUS: AL-41F1 177kN

USA: F119 156kN

USA: F110 142kN

China: WS-10C 141kN

 

[Bigda_Jatt]

kaveri isnt that sufficient when it comes to long hours due to stoppage in metallurgy faced by you guys...If kaveri was that good then you would hvae used it for your loyal wingman prototype....

Kaveri is going for inflight testing by end of 2025 on both IL78 and on Tejas, will be cleared for use on UCAV program in 2026.
Kaveri engine approved for inflight testing: A breakthrough in Indian aerospace Read more at: https://manufacturing.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/aerospace-defence/kaveri-engine-approved-for-inflight-testing-a-breakthrough-in-indian-aerospace/116615602

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Wow, no wonder you people were winning the war on 16 dec'1971.View attachment 142614

If i talk about kaveri, it is more than sufficient for heavy drones, we will make it in the second go and yes we dont expect somebody to hand it over to us on a platter.

yup we lost, and you caught, world's biggest surrender since WWII!



can I ask, 'world's biggest surrender since WWII'?!!!


was there ever a war in Eastern Pakistan?!!!

did i miss something here?!!!

 

[Trigger]

India to develop with France engine for desi stealth fighter
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NEW DELHI: India is now finally getting set to kick off the collaboration with France to co-develop a new powerful jet engine for its indigenous fifth-generation stealth fighter and other futuristic platforms, which will further bolster the already expansive strategic partnership between the two countries.
Defence Research and Development Organisation will soon move the cabinet committee on security for the approval of the ambitious project with French major Safran, with 100% transfer of technology, to jointly design, develop, test, qualify, certify and produce the new 120 kilonewton engines in India, senior officials told TOI.
"DRDO has cleared the proposal by Safran, which already makes a variety of helicopter engines in India, as the best option for the twin-engine fifth-generation fighter called AMCA (advanced medium combat aircraft). The project, with DRDO's lab Gas Turbine Research Establishment, would cost almost $7 billion," an official said.
Defence minister Rajnath Singh, speaking at The Economic Times World Leaders Forum Friday, also confirmed the impending project. "We have taken steps forward to build our fifth-generation fighter aircraft. We have also moved towards manufacturing the aircraft's engine in India itself. We are about to start engine manufacturing work in India with the French company Safran," Singh said.
India's inability to manufacture an aero-engine, with the requisite thrust-to-weight ratio, has for long been a major hurdle for indigenous fighter jet programmes.

The almost two-year delay in delivery of 99 GE-F404 turbofan engines by US firm General Electric, which HAL contracted for Rs 5,375 crore in Aug 2021, as well as weapons and radar integration issues, for instance, are the main reasons for the major slowdown in production of Tejas Mark-1A fighters

Hindustan Aeronautics and GE are also yet to seal the final deal for the co-production of the GE-F414 engines in the 98 kilonewton thrust class in India, with 80% of transfer of technology for around $1.5 billion, to power the planned Tejas Mark-2 variant.

"The project for jet engine with Safran will have full IP (intellectual property) ownership & licencing control by India. It will create an entire ecosystem for the manufacture of aero-engines in India, with complete supply chain development," an official said.

This comes after the defence ministry in May finally approved a new "programme execution model" for prototype development of the 25-tonne AMCA, with greater private sector participation.

As per existing timelines, the AMCA with the requisite thrust-to-weight ratio, advanced sensor fusion and stealth features like an internal weapons bay and "serpentine air-intake" will be ready for production only by 2035.

IAF plans to induct seven squadrons (126 jets) of the expensive AMCA, with the first two squadrons powered by the American GE-F414 engines and the next five with 120 kilonewton engines.

can't wait for AMCA to fly in 2035 when pakistan would have a fleet of stealth fighters and is looking to acquire 6th gens

 

[Musings]

The sh.it started from here..
Post in thread 'India to develop with France engine for desi stealth fighter' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...ne-for-desi-stealth-fighter.26234/post-896071

And you want me to sirve through and see who started it? Just report and not respond to crap yaar

 

[Guynextdoor]

kaveri isnt that sufficient when it comes to long hours due to stoppage in metallurgy faced by you guys...If kaveri was that good then you would hvae used it for your loyal wingman prototype....

while it will definitely power several IAF platforms,

does it have to be sufficient? Single crystal blades developed for Kaveri are going to be used for 5000 HTS- engines . And a dozen other applications. Money spent returned 2000 times.

 

[KingQamaR]

The same french Safran promised you a joint engine for Tehas jet that never came about. India then went running to US for GE engines.

 

[FuturePAF]

This actually looks tangible.

Definitely tangible, as the two major European engine manufacturers make nearly cutting edge engines (based on their commercial divisions), with the two American engine manufacturers still comfortably ahead.

India will probably get drawn into the French 5/6th gen fighter soon enough, due the poor development of their domestic program, as they have with the Rafale.

Hopefully the WS-19, WS-15 and TF-35000 engines advance to catch up enough to give PAF a competitive power plant. These engine or their derivatives could form the bases of export approved engines for the PAF.

 

[FuturePAF]

The same french Safran promised you a joint engine for Tehas jet that never came about. India then went running to US for GE engines.

France knows India is desperate and will string them along as long as possible and have them paying through the nose while sharing as little tech as possible. French engine development is subsidized by commercial side of its aerospace industry. For France, aerospace is one of their Crown Jewels. They won’t give away the keys to the kingdom easily.

 

[Yasser76]

Wow, no wonder you people were winning the war on 16 dec'1971.View attachment 142614

If i talk about kaveri, it is more than sufficient for heavy drones, we will make it in the second go and yes we dont expect somebody to hand it over to us on a platter.

Over 50 years ago. Want to mention recent events of that too painful?

 

[KingQamaR]

France knows India is desperate and will string them along as long as possible and have them paying through the nose while sharing as little tech as possible. French engine development is subsidized by commercial side of its aerospace industry. For France, aerospace is one of their Crown Jewels. They won’t give away the keys to the kingdom easily.

French are smart negotiators in their military and trade deals they do with everyone ask the U.K. post Brexit lol. . Rafale deal included Safran joint engine which was supposed to be developed jointly by french company and India it never happened Paris basically took money and walked away from the project. Indians should now be questioning their Gov “ not again”

 

[Quwa]

Should Pakistan and China start a project of their own inside Pakistan?

Pakistan should develop its own turbofan, but this won't materialize for several decades at any level. Moreover, it's not the need of the hour compared to one other type of engine, but it should be started nonetheless.

That said, the types of engines Pakistan should rapidly master, not just in terms of design and development, but as importantly, mass-production, is engines for cruise missiles and drones. Basically, miniature turbojets and turbofans.

These are simpler to pursue (compared to a full-sized fighter-grade engine) and will necessitate far more scale than a RD-93 or GE F404 type system as Pakistan would need thousands through the lifecycle for drones or missiles.