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[r3alist]

You are an idiot. Round 2 and round 3 are for Russia , not India

My apologies, in fact he did not explicitly direct at India, but then again nothing to say he won't target India. Sanctions in any case are a bit pointless on Russia, the West has played its hand

Not a big deal for the fastest growing major economy in the world

See my post on poverty levels, idle boasf on a forum is one thing, what about the real humans affected

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Did you not hear trumps comments yesterday on having a round two and round three of coercion on India?



Well if the tariffs continue let's check next quarter, and the quarter after

At least make your mind up, will India stay strong and take on these tariffs?

India exports around $860 billions to the rest of the world. Tariff affects around 5% of that. Rest are in sectors like Electronics and Pharmaceutical which are exempt. But nice of you to be worried about that. India need not stay strong, we will look for a deal that works for us. We could cut import duties on Harley Davidson and imported cars, but the GST on 1500cc> cars and 350cc> bikes is at 40%. So there is that. India is never opening the milk, cheese and other farm produce where we can compete it'll cause bigger damage to Modi than continuing with Tariffs.

 

[Rationale]

My apologies, in fact he did not explicitly direct at India, but then again nothing to say he won't target India. Sanctions in any case are a bit pointless on Russia, the West has played its hand

India tariffs have failed. Phase 2 and Phase 3 will probably target China, Turkey , EU, though I am doubtful they will be implemented and are likely an empty threat

I don't think Trump has any good options to end the war unless Putin gets what he wants and agrees to it. The only other option is to keep supporting Ukraine in the war. There is a reason the war has been going on for so long.

See my post on poverty levels, idle boasf on a forum is one thing, what about the real humans affected

Yeah, people will be affected and lives disrupted and it is sad. I do empathise with them, but in geopolitical battles there is a lot of collateral damage. If India opens up its agriculture and dairy markets like most other countries have, the collateral damage will be far worse in terms of lives disrupted. One has to choose the lesser evil.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Dude you were the one talking about investors in the stock market.

Electricity consumption is just a metric of electric consumption. GDP measures the economic output of the entire economy.

Huh?

Electricity consumption is often times accurate when compared with GDP growth as it follows the same trajectory.

 

[Rationale]

Huh?

Electricity consumption is often times accurate when compared with GDP growth as it follows the same trajectory.

Sorry, i thought I was replying to one of the Pakistani members who brought up the poor performance of the stock market and was talking about electricity consumption in Pakistan.

In countries where electricity access is an issue, the correlation between electricity consumption and GDP would be less strong. It might just reflect changes in market frictions.

 

[r3alist]

India tariffs have failed. Phase 2 and Phase 3 will probably target China, Turkey , EU, though I am doubtful they will be implemented and are likely an empty threat

I don't think Trump has any good options to end the war unless Putin gets what he wants and agrees to it. The only other option is to keep supporting Ukraine in the war. There is a reason the war has been going on for so long.



Yeah, people will be affected and lives disrupted and it is sad. I do empathise with them, but in geopolitical battles there is a lot of collateral damage. If India opens up its agriculture and dairy markets like most other countries have, the collateral damage will be far worse in terms of lives disrupted. One has to choose the lesser evil.

The tariffs have just kicked in, should they persist for much longer only then can we assesse how the numbers are coming through, both for us revenue and adverse effect on India

 

[r3alist]

India exports around $860 billions to the rest of the world. Tariff affects around 5% of that. Rest are in sectors like Electronics and Pharmaceutical which are exempt. But nice of you to be worried about that. India need not stay strong, we will look for a deal that works for us. We could cut import duties on Harley Davidson and imported cars, but the GST on 1500cc> cars and 350cc> bikes is at 40%. So there is that. India is never opening the milk, cheese and other farm produce where we can compete it'll cause bigger damage to Modi than continuing with Tariffs.

The tariffs are only one lever the US has.

I would presume that if they have taken the course of effectively disregarding India's importance to their strategy, then they have future plans in the pipeline, I am sure they have assets to cause internal problems politically. There are certain military leverages such as fighter jet engine. There can be propaganda leverage. And further economic leverage

However, this seems like it's all up in the air if there is any plan.

The problem is, India has no such reciprocal leverage or importance really, outside of the Chinese strategy

China has real systematic, and economic clout so they have to respect that

 

[Vikramaditya1]

The tariffs are only one lever the US has.

I would presume that if they have taken the course of effectively disregarding India's importance to their strategy, then they have future plans in the pipeline, I am sure they have assets to cause internal problems politically. There are certain military leverages such as fighter jet engine. There can be propaganda leverage. And further economic leverage

However, this seems like it's all up in the air if there is any plan.

The problem is, India has no such reciprocal leverage or importance really, outside of the Chinese strategy

China has real systematic, and economic clout so they have to respect that

Their assets are as good as India allows it. Do you think when a country like the US overtly turn hostile their assets won't invite higher scrutiny? Even back in the 60s Indian communists were arrested and send to camps. American Dallas will face the same fate if anti Americanism is spreading. Which is quite easy to ignite given the leftist aversion to the Americans.

India can simply put taxes and shut out American corporations. Remember corporations like Google, Amazon, Walmart, and other firms make big money out of Indian consumers. Government can simply make their life difficult. That's why the companies say Apple are doing whatever it can to curry favour Trump admin.

 

[Rationale]

The tariffs have just kicked in, should they persist for much longer only then can we assesse how the numbers are coming through, both for us revenue and adverse effect on India

Well, the discussion was in the context of Phase 2 and Phase 3 on Russia. Tariffs on India for Russian oil was Phase 1. The aim of these tariffs was to get India to stop buying Russian oil and put pressure on Russia. Since India refused to do that and Trump now has to look at Phase 2 and 3, the 25% extra tariffs on India have definitely failed in terms of achieving the final desired outcome - which was to get Russia to stop fighting.

 

[Rationale]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/04/politics/ukraine-war-trump-security-guarantees?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc&recs_exp=up-next-article-end&tenant_id=related.en

It is interesting that Trump is pushing the Europeans to put economic pressure on China but not on India.

 

[r3alist]

Well, the discussion was in the context of Phase 2 and Phase 3 on Russia. Tariffs on India for Russian oil was Phase 1. The aim of these tariffs was to get India to stop buying Russian oil and put pressure on Russia. Since India refused to do that and Trump now has to look at Phase 2 and 3, the 25% extra tariffs on India have definitely failed in terms of achieving the final desired outcome - which was to get Russia to stop fighting.

You are correct for now, but let's see the cumulative effect.

Also if you hope things to change post trump, it could be another republican who continues this.
What this will come down to for India is not necessarily trade but access to military technology.

the Americans simply cannot envisage a scenario where India can meaningfully work with China whilst simultaneously having a land dispute, and a different vision of Asia not led by China


India is already talking about having a multi-pole Asia

So I believe USA and china will take turns in extracting concessions from India

 

[Rationale]

the Americans simply cannot envisage a scenario where India can meaningfully work with China whilst simultaneously having a land dispute, and a different vision of Asia not led by China

That is just ridiculous. Many countries, including America herself and all her treaty allies work meaningfully with China while having a very different vision of Asia. Most of America's allies in Asia have territorial disputes with China and greater exposure to the Chinese economy than India does.

 

[r3alist]

That is just ridiculous. Many countries, including America herself and all her treaty allies work meaningfully with China while having a very different vision of Asia. Most of America's allies in Asia have territorial disputes with China and greater exposure to the Chinese economy than India does.

This is like saying I understand all science but really only know biology

This is how your insistence only talking about the economy and trade sounds.

How would India propose to manage its differences to China without either accepting China's leadership of Asia or having good enough weapons to take China on?

If you think you can continue to play the middle ground with both USA and China that time is gone. If you want to choose a particular side your conditions will be harsher because no one will trust Indian convictions

 

[Rationale]

This is like saying I understand all science but really only know biology

This is how your insistence only talking about the economy and trade sounds.

How would India propose to manage its differences to China without either accepting China's leadership of Asia or having good enough weapons to take China on?

If you think you can continue to play the middle ground with both USA and China that time is gone. If you want to choose a particular side your conditions will be harsher because no one will trust Indian convictions

India has enough nukes and delivery systems to deter China from taking Indian territory and India has no designs on Chinese territory. Preserving the independence of Taiwan or territorial disputes of other so -called American allies is not a strategic imperative for India. Pakistan is too weak to launch and win a war against India. Other neighbors of India are militarily irrelevant. Unless China becomes unnecessarily belligerent towards India, there is no reason for India to get involved in an arms race and the Chinese are too smart and pragmatic to threaten India to an extent that it is forced to join America's military alliance.

 

[El Sidd]

India has enough nukes and delivery systems to deter China from taking Indian territory and India has no designs on Chinese territory. Preserving the independence of Taiwan or territorial disputes of other so -called American allies is not a strategic imperative for India. Pakistan is too weak to launch and win a war against India. Other neighbors of India are militarily irrelevant. Unless China becomes unnecessarily belligerent towards India, there is no reason for India to get involved in an arms race and the Chinese are too smart and pragmatic to threaten India to an extent that it is forced to join America's military alliance.

How do you explain Dalai Lama and Tibet? Not to mention BrahMos deliveries in the Pacific and threatening the Malaca straits by hawkish Indian officials?