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Bigda_Jatt said:
Well, because politicians and babus are same all around the world, they love money, also we want a better TOT deal unlike pakistan who focus more on countring the indian system and less on making the system inhouse. This approach suits you; however, we would like to get something out of every single procurement, some sub system for our missiles, EW, Radars, jets etc.
As far as Rafales and Scorpene submarines go, our L&T and MDL are coming up with indiginous design for 12 submarines with AIP for P76, also another 3 scorpene submarines are in talks to replace the kilo altogether, further MDL with TKIS has been selected for another 6 submarines under P75I. IN is also coming up with 6 SSN's and 5 SSBN's.
Navy has also ordered 26 Rafale M, MRCA will also conclude soon, thanks to the 3 day skirmish we had in may.
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OK, that is quite the word soup for basically saying you do not have enough money.
No harm in waiting for indegionous solutions but right now IAF is flying around in 50 year old planes and and IN is operating 40 year old subs.

Bottom line is India simply cannot afford a one on one replacement of all it's fighters with very modern ones.

You do not have enough money, like all armed forces budgets are constrained.
 
sambody said:
Like I said, wait till October. You must be really naive if you think the whole charade with at least Canada, Mexico, the EU, Japan, South Korea and other countries was not about securing favorable trade deals. Why would you think it is any different with India ? Actually, I do know the answer to that, but I have already spent far more time indulging you than I should have. Enjoy your fantasies while they last.
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Certainly, Trump has been playing hardball to a degree to exact leverage against the countries you mentioned.

But India's situation is more uncertain because of the pressure being placed upon it to alter an arrangement or a relationship with a third party. None of the countries you mentioned were under that specific pressure. So, India has to make a choice on a specific determinant that is different to all of those countries. It's poor strategic planning, whichever way you cut it. But don't get me wrong here - we really don't want to get in the way of your progress in this regard. As others have said, it is a fascinating drama that has emerged, mostly because of the Bollywood rhetoric from Modi and the BJP in general, which has, as predicted, put Delhi into a corner.
 
sambody said:
Sure, your country nominated President Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize because of the respect with which the US has always treated Pakistan, including when OBL was taken out inside Pakistan without informing your government.
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Trump was nominated exclusively to troll India, and Modi and Jayshanker took the bait rather well. How many times now have we heard Trump proudly declare his mediation in the events of May this year? Do you really need to be reminded of just how well Pakistani leaders fed this master troll with precisely the energy he needed to lambast India publicly and repeatedly?

To suggest anyone in the Pakistani establishment genuinely regards Trump to be some kind of global peacemaker would be rather naive on your part.

You see, this is exactly the mentality that I alluded to earlier. Indians are genuinely so deluded that they believe they can straddle all sides of an ideological equation by performing some magical juggling act. Your 1.5billion nation of looney tunes lap it up in the morning papers every day - saar we are democratic progressive and so are brothers of Washington and Tel Aviv but we also love Moscow, thank you, this is grand balancing act saar, Pakistan should laarn from us.
 
Master Chief said:
Trump was nominated exclusively to troll India, and Modi and Jayshanker took the bait rather well. How many times now have we heard Trump proudly declare his mediation in the events of May this year? Do you really need to be reminded of just how well Pakistani leaders fed this master troll with precisely the energy he needed to lambast India publicly and repeatedly?

To suggest anyone in the Pakistani establishment genuinely regards Trump to be some kind of global peacemaker would be rather naive on your part.

You see, this is exactly the mentality that I alluded to earlier. Indians are genuinely so deluded that they believe they can straddle all sides of an ideological equation by performing some magical juggling act. Your 1.5billion nation of looney tunes lap it up in the morning papers every day - saar we are democratic progressive and so are brothers of Washington and Tel Aviv but we also love Moscow, thank you, this is grand balancing act saar, Pakistan should laarn from us.
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The Indians haven't understood the game. They have been left bamboozled. All the analysis that I have read up until now proves our point. Indians pretend to be masters of diplomacy, but they are not. Modi has completely misread Trump and taken him for granted. As a result, the Indians are today flexing fake muscles and hoping that their courageous Modi can teach the US a lesson.
 
Dalit said:
The Indians haven't understood the game. They have been left bamboozled. All the analysis that I have read up until now proves our point. Indians pretend to be masters of diplomacy, but they are not. Modi has completely misread Trump and taken him for granted. As a result, the Indians are today flexing fake muscles and hoping that their courageous Modi can teach the US a lesson.
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Precisely this. It's shockingly amateurish. I don't know why we at pdf even try to stop our Indian barhadaree from making fools of themselves. Long may it continue.
 
Dalit said:
The Indians haven't understood the game. They have been left bamboozled. All the analysis that I have read up until now proves our point. Indians pretend to be masters of diplomacy, but they are not. Modi has completely misread Trump and taken him for granted. As a result, the Indians are today flexing fake muscles and hoping that their courageous Modi can teach the US a lesson.
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Yup, diplomatic and strategic options are narrowing.

Russia is good for legacy medium level military kit at good prices and France some good high end kit at very high end prices

None of those two are major players in both AI and 6th Gen. Only China and US, they are the only game in town. You are either closely allied with them or not. Anyone in the middle like Brazil, India, South Africa etc Gonna get eaten up.

Turks, who I genuinely admire, are also suffering. Not fully in US camp not fully in China camp. So in terms of trade deal and access to very high end weapons, they are having problems. Although credit to them, their indegionous solutions seem to be making progress, however will not be the very cutting edge.

India's geography is also hampering it's strategic relevance, mountains to the north, sea to the south, jungle to the east and hostile Pakistan to the west.

20 years ago, papers like the Economist where championing this as "India's Century" and wrote of how it would take over China at some point. That illusion is now shattered.

I think India will no play a role in the new Cold War that Japan did in the old Cold War. Good economy, buyer and seller to the West, but strategically and militarily irrelevent
 
Yasser76 said:
Not debating that, point is US will not release anything very high end. Russia is not making anything in class of F-35/J-20

India's high end options rest with AMCA. Good luck.
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Neither Russia was making anything close to Apache or p8i etc.
India only wants local options.
 
drkrn86 said:
Neither Russia was making anything close to Apache or p8i etc.
India only wants local options.
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with 1 billion population, mostly living under sub sahran conditions

'wanting' to have local options (for a country like yours) is like a dry well with a liquid water!

breached trust, ethics and morality .... and tech. advances, cannot go in the one sentence!

Most of the Indians living abroad and working for tech. companies were 'found' to be stealing secrets!

some Indian guy was caught selling stealth tech secrets and what not, list goes on...
 
Master Chief said:
Certainly, Trump has been playing hardball to a degree to exact leverage against the countries you mentioned.

But India's situation is more uncertain because of the pressure being placed upon it to alter an arrangement or a relationship with a third party. None of the countries you mentioned were under that specific pressure. So, India has to make a choice on a specific determinant that is different to all of those countries. It's poor strategic planning, whichever way you cut it. But don't get me wrong here - we really don't want to get in the way of your progress in this regard. As others have said, it is a fascinating drama that has emerged, mostly because of the Bollywood rhetoric from Modi and the BJP in general, which has, as predicted, put Delhi into a corner.
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That is a fair point, except that China is the only country buying comparable amounts of Russian crude. It is true that no Russian oil related additional tariff for China has been announced yet ( though it has been threatened), but one must bear in mind that there are some important differences in the two situations:
1. After the initial round of retaliatory tariffs going up to 150%, the US and China have reached a deal to freeze the tariffs at a certain level, which is favorable to the US by around 20 percentage points, while they continue to negotiate an actual deal. In India's case no such intermediate arrangement has been reached and India is tariffing many US products at much higher than even 50%.
2. Important Indian exports like pharmaceuticals and iPhones are exempt from all tariffs. This is also true for China, but China is facing very high sectoral tariffs( over and above country specific tariffs) on important exports sectors like steel, aluminum and vehicles. Indian exports in sectors that have sector specific tariffs are relatively low.
3. Most importantly, China has the rare earths card and can retaliate meaningfully in the short term. India doesn't have any such aces and is simply more susceptible to be being used as a tool to put pressure on Russia.

If the Russia tariffs are actually imposed ( and not just announced ) only on India and persist even after a bilateral deal is reached, it would certainly be a big setback for India and indicate that all the theater was more than just negotiating tactics , but it is too early to conclude that is the case. The whole thing still has months to play out, as Secretary Bessent himself has indicated in multiple interviews.
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
with 1 billion population, mostly living under sub sahran conditions

'wanting' to have local options (for a country like yours) is like a dry well with a liquid water!

breached trust, ethics and morality .... and tech. advances, cannot go in the one sentence!

Most of the Indians living abroad and working for tech. companies were 'found' to be stealing secrets!

some Indian guy was caught selling stealth tech secrets and what not, list goes on...
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Is this the lowest you can stoop to. Come on, you can do better.
Alas, it doesn't make a difference.
 
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