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Good news.
( Are you sure those screen shots were not from Flipkart or Amazon India)
I hope the Indian brands don't end up like the electronics consumer durables industry that was once quite robust in India.
Your brands like Murphy, Bush, Sonodyne, Texla, Uptron, Optima, BPL. have gone into the history books forever. Also relegated to the history books are your Allwynn and Kelvinator refrigerators, IFB washing machines too are history, Chinese brands rule . Ever hear of Indian manufactured toys for children. Not anymore.

As Pakistanis we can only smile 😊

That's from Big Basket, does it matter if the company origins are Indian or not, as long as they set up some plants here and provide better value, why not? Lots of Indian brands have perished and lots have come up.. it's healthier to allow the sick (enterprise) to die..
 
Yes, Indian political class(not me) "assumed" that somehow world would line up to support India but that is stupidity of our ruling class. Has anyone ever supported India? So how can India be "more isolated"? On what issue, "world" has come out to support India? We are living in Trump's world!

Now that is a classic coping! Indian channels were full of the help offered to Pakistan by multiple--yes, 'multiple' means more than one--so I wasn't wrong. India's large economy didn't help with the geopolitics against a 'basket case' economy like Pakistan. If one were not to call it a failure then what would be failure??
 
True, but America had hoped India would do things to help contain China, under the auspices of the quad; the Indians made those four agreements to support US ops. India had no intention and was stringing the US along; indeed perks without the pain. Trump called them out, and here we are today.

In his book, “No Trade is Free”, and ex-Trump aide reveals how Trump thinks of India.
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That’s why he is an Ex.

If he was good enough, he would have been there when the deal was signed.

I read many posts on this thread, by many self acclaimed financial and geopolitical experts and I realise, how myopic and delusional they were in assessing the whole situation.

Many of them resorted to finding anti-India rants on social media and tried to sell it off as truth. It was nothing but confirmation bias and wishful thinking.

Very few people were able to take a balanced view of the situation and analyse it objectively.

This brings to end one more episode where some people started celebrating a little too early and finished all the crackers before the finish line. Once again.
 
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I have repeatedly said here that Trump is a bully and like every bully, the more you give them the more they'd want. And he perhaps rightly sees India with fewer options then were available just a few months ago; and he and MAGA don't respect losers, which India must appear to them after the May 2025 conflict against Pakistan. He is going to keep asking for more and more, you know 'Do More'. Pakistanis know that all too well.
It is up to India to decide but without a strong, reliable ally like China which Pakistan has, Indian diplomatic position is vulnerable. All the UNSC P-5 must know that India is vulnerable to UNSC Resolutions over the Indus Water Treaty or even over Kashmir. India could keep obliging them by giving concessions and they could, like true hyenas, want even more. Even Russia is not the same with India and part of that is because of India's policies since the Modi regime came to power 10 years ago and part of that because Russia's dependence on China.
@Meengla , here we go.

Please read what you said earlier. Pakistan has all the cards while India has none. And you linked everything to May 25. You dint say any of what you are claiming now.

That’s why one needs to be careful while making tall claims and then denying any of it.

What changed in these months that Trump accepted better rates than many other nations in the region?
 
We are still buying substantial amount of Russian oil. It used be basically zero pre war. Now it is half of peak.
Yeah. Let the Americans make a better offer, we will happily buy from Venezuela then.

India buys from Russia solely for its own benefit. We or Russia don't owe each other anything. When Russian prices will increase to pre war levels the Indian imports will stabilise again.
 
Trump is absolutely sensing weakness in India, especially after the debacle which India faced after the May 2025 conflict. Trump can sense that Russia is either no position to help India much or just may not help out of spite. Trump knows that Britain and France would side with America in the UNSC. And no guess needed what would China do. And Trump is so effusively praising Pakistan in last some months, which has everyone scratching their heads.
I don't know why some Indians are unable to see there is a pattern in Trump's behavior. This is not just another trade talk going on!!!
One more golden piece from you. Not a word about trade.
It was all about May 25 as per you.

It may be a good idea to eat the pie, I offered you. Because there is more incriminating evidence available , right on this thread and in plenty.
 
@Meengla , here we go.
Please read what you said earlier. Pakistan has all the cards while India has none. And you linked everything to May 25. You dint say any of what you are claiming now.
That’s why one needs to be careful while making tall claims and then denying any of it.
What changed in these months that Trump accepted better rates than many other nations in the region?

Honestly read my quoted post! Where there is a talk about a trade deal in my post?? Where?! Yes, I had said that Trump will want more and more in terms of geopolitics especially in the UNSC votes as would others from India in UNSC votes, but there is no contradiction between what I said there and what this trade deal between India-America entails.
Indians have given concessions in this trade deal after a long tough negotiation process and India has gained some; from my initial understanding, India has conceded things which India tried to resist for a long time. Why are you trying to twist my words?? Or the David Oulalalalalo videos got under your skin??
 
One more golden piece from you. Not a word about trade.
It was all about May 25 as per you.
It may be a good idea to eat the pie, I offered you. Because there is more incriminating evidence available , right on this thread and in plenty.

I already responded just above.
 
Exactly! I saw ignorant noonies in this forum jumping up and down saying that India is isolated and this and that.. Its the other way around infact. India made mother of all deals with EU and now with US at better rates then failed military rulers & their corrupt puppets here.

The illegal regime in Pakistan for last 4 years has completely destroyed a nation state. No constitution, no media freedom, election system destroyed where public mandate is trampled under boots, no independent judiciary, worst terrorism, resentment of public at highest levels, worst quality of life for ordinary pakistanis, PKR literally destroyed, economy wrecked, and priorities is that assembly in busy making laws to hide their illegal wealths. Internationally most evil role, joining hands with axis of zionists and destroyers every, illegal PM is really a joke on international level by singing rhymes in praises of Trump, He do same for retired and self proclaimed Field marshal. Nominated noble peace prize to Trump who was saying to get rid of Palestinians and make Gaza a beach front property. Who kidnaps a president to steal another country's oil. How on earth that sorta man deserves peace prize!?. This illegal regime is a total humiliation. That is why greedy and power hungry Generals were always the worst enemy & traitors of this nation. Every day our jawans are losing lives because of the worst policies & extreme incompetence of these Generals. ISPR is reduced to a mafia and a political thug, just check at his disgusting language.

This failed and illegal regime had nothing to show as their success, The only success (air battle) was due to last govt. In 4 day skirmish with india our only success (air battle) was possible due to last legitimate govt's procurement of J-10Cs/ pl-15s. These cowards couldn't even do retaliatory strikes at major indian cities which india was doing openly by firing brahmos. This illegal and pathetic govt in 4 long years has not even procured a single big ticket weapon system. Complete failure in every dimension.

@Pakistan Space Agency Tag your noonie friends to this post who support this corrupt regime.


Muneera regime is complete and utter failure at all levels. Here is another problem which should be obvious yet hardly anyone talk about it --> apart from all you mentioned, these rats in GHQ think that geopolitics and geoeconomics can be dealt with grovelling and TC. The only skill they are actually master at, being where they are in their ranks within Army hierarchy.

I have mentioned this before, Tucker was interviewing this chap who happen to be Putin right hand. Proper deep state guy. Even though interview was about something else, but he mentioned rather alarming point that world will eventually have four big powers at the big table, US , Russia, China and guess who? India! And you see how India is making deals with EU, America, they already have Russia onboard. God forbid if they manage to bag China as well, you in Pakistan are done!

People are losing their shite about some JFs exports. How that going to add to the growth of the economy and benefit at grassroot level among the masses? All the proceeds will be recycled back in the military complex, and thats how it should be.

These GHQ rats have pinned us down in dealing with rag tags in east, and now Baluchistan is in proper mess. IK told them, what is their plan? He offered them that he will leave if they can come up with something substantial. He is on record. Yet they brought in Nawaz and Zardari clan! I am of the view that till these people are not cut to their size, stuffed back into their barracks, and send to the border and beyond to do all the fighting, Pakistan will keep on sliding backward.
 
Let me elaborate on this a little.

Modi and Trump have announced the deal yesterday. But Trump is Trump and a Trump.

He might wake up tomorrow and not like Modi’s stance on some issue somewhere and announce 500% tariff. Hasn’t he done the same with his allies from the West. Canada is one big example of Trump’s morning sickness induced rebukes.

Thats why this deal isn’t start or end of any love affair. It is just a pit stop, where new tyres have been installed and petrol topped up.

Hence, it is not a moment of celebration but a moment of relief, that too a temporary one.

The deal stay if India buy $500bn of goods by 2030.

$50bn extra per year to reduce trade deficit to zero. Good for USA. Bad for India other trading partners like Russia etc and for Indians themselves who are forced to buy expensive oil on a gun point.

Once India shows its willing to buy oil, cereals, milk etc from USA to reduce trade deficit, even if democrat president win next time this deal will stay.
 
That is the fundamental problem with Pakistan. The "real" decision makers are GHQ and they only understand the world in the context of "giving" orders for things to happen, and then assume they can grow and manage an economy and society on that basis alone. That is why Pakistan has this "nonsense" of "targets" for tax revenue collection rather than policy formation to increase documentation of the economy and effective taxation policies.

GHQ fail to understand that the world of investors where the "money is", do not like engaging with Generals, they do not like engaging with puppet crooks on the "uncle" network who collaborate with GHQ to sit in the "chair", who are not empowered to make any decisions as they will have to relay questions back to GHQ. The global world of investors want to know the person sitting across the table is an intellectual who can offer them the framework to engage with at an civilian institutional level, and not generals. If people understood this, then the whole nonsense of SIFC would never have been attempted.

All this nonsense of "MOU's" for JF17 sales is all GHQ have got left. There is not much else in Pakistan to "market" overseas, and not much to invest in Pakistan either. India has secured new trade deals with the EU, UK, and now the USA that will move the overall economy forward for India and Pakistan has not.

What has GHQ achieved in terms of actual new trade deals ? They are the decision makers, and should be held to account for this failure of not being able to grow Pakistan's economy, for the weakening of the judicial system in Pakistan that has now scared away ALL investors from Pakistan.

Indian economic and civil service professionals can literally dance across the world as civilians representatives who are empowered to make decisions that can benefit their country, they are allowed into places that Generals are not and for that reason, they are successful. They can engage with industrialists, economic experts, politician's, economic think tanks, political systems on a global scale as the people who are interacting with them know that these professionals are part of an ecosystem that actually works and functions and therefore they can engage with them. They can embed themselves in all the places that won't allow in generals, and that works in India's favour a lot. This cannot be said of Pakistan, where all roads lead to polished military boots.

(rant over ...).

This thread should be merged with this : https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/india-us-tariff-and-relations-news-updates.25521/page-181

@Fatman17 ?

These generals will have their cake and eat it. No responsibility, no accountability for the decisions they make.

World is not stupid, they know a 17 seater party is given the government, and even though, the failed Marshall has given himself life time immunity, means jack in real world. Who would invest long term on the basis on longevity of just one person? He might be dead tomorrow, then what? There is no assemablance of law and order and civilian rule.
 
The deal stay if India buy $500bn of goods by 2030.
You are still in the la la land that you were, for most part of this thread. Just go back a few pages and read the kind of claims that you made. Any person with even a little ghairat would die of shame.
So, I suggest that you leave it here and don’t tax your brain too much.
 
You are still in the la la land that you were, for most part of this thread. Just go back a few pages and read the kind of claims that you made. Any person with even a little ghairat would die of shame.
So, I suggest that you leave it here and don’t tax your brain too much.

No, he is right. Reuters is also saying India will have to buy $500 billion. And I believe the reason it took this long for this trade deal is Indians resisted the American demands for a long time--something admirable, I should say-- but eventually gave some concessions. Don't believe me or David Oulalalalalalalo-- you will see Indian analysts themselves dissecting this deal.
But, on the whole, I believe the deal is not 'bad' for India. It was just an inevitable compromise.
 

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