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[CallSignMaverick]

no he is just being truthfull ,turkey will have engines for kaan before u do for tejas

Unless they get involved in a partnership (with RollsRoyce?) they won't get an engine quickly. It isn't as easy as many think it is. They are yet to build an equivalent to KDE, let alone Kaveri.

So far they have made an equivalent of HTFE-25 recently. Although yes, given they are loyal to their projects they won't delay testing infra set up which is an advantage for them over us.

Jumping straight onto an afterburning turbofan of 35,000lb (156 KN ) of thrust is over-ambitiousness. But best of luck to them.

 

[r3alist]

Unless they get involved in a partnership (with RollsRoyce?) they won't get an engine quickly. It isn't as easy as many think it is. They are yet to build an equivalent to KDE, let alone Kaveri.

So far they have made an equivalent of HTFE-25 recently. Although yes, given they are loyal to their projects they won't delay testing infra set up which is an advantage for them over us.

Jumping straight onto an afterburning turbofan of 35,000lb (156 KN ) of thrust is over-ambitiousness. But best of luck to them.

Yes so the substantive point is Turkey is more advanced in their journey.


With a fraction of the population.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Yes so the substantive point is Turkey is more advanced in their journey.


With a fraction of the population.

Thats not what the post suggests though

 

[r3alist]

Thats not what the post suggests though

If you are so convoluted in your thinking and avoid basic realities I could see why the tejas program took 40 years working with this brain power

Turkey is clearly more advanced in the jet engine program, surely you don't disagree

 

[CallSignMaverick]

If you are so convoluted in your thinking and avoid basic realities I could see why the tejas program took 40 years working with this brain power

It took ~30 years to be inducted, not 40. Good enough for an indigenous aircraft, however the delays might've been. At least it allowed us to move on to designing and building newer aircrafts like LCA Mk2 and AMCA.

Turkey is clearly more advanced in the jet engine program, surely you don't disagree

If it is, where is it's equivalent of KDE, if not Kaveri? They have only built an HTFE-25 equivalent yet, and even then HAL has tested it with afterburner, while TF6000 is only a dry-engine.

They don't even have an equivalent for PTAE-W, let alone STFE Manik.

 

[Ak01]

Turkey is clearly more advanced in the jet engine program, surely you don't disagree

this is downright delusional and your bias talking.

How many engines has turkey developed?

 

[harpy1]

This is India using technology from two world class engine manufacturers from Europe to help the military Hal etc to develope a new Indian specific engine for future Amca fighters ...

It's piggy backing on to Europeans as is part of a massive India Europe trade deal

India is diversying it's military and technology deals

It's no longer Russia or USA

But more Israel and Europe it appears

 

[harpy1]

this is downright delusional and your bias talking.

How many engines has turkey developed?

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When Turkey does this then come back and talk

What is their gdp one third of Indias
I think if that

Different league completely

 

[r3alist]

It took ~30 years to be inducted, not 40. Good enough for an indigenous aircraft, however the delays might've been. At least it allowed us to move on to designing and building newer aircrafts like LCA Mk2 and AMCA.

How many do you have?

Like the actual point is that if you want to pursue a jet engine based on Indian levels of know-how and capability as well as track record, it's really plausible to ask better not to bother

I know you guys hate being benchmarked to China, but they have gone on that journey on jet engines and are self-reliant, but then not only that they have 200 5th gen fighters.... That also means they have understood and achieved the associated technologies and capabilities.



So when you say tejas is not too bad, that means you are happy at that trajectory....... to not even benchmark to 5% of what China can do.






Not even 5% of China.



Yeah maybe think whether you want to have another few decades of masochistic humiliation with lack of capability

 

[Ak01]

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When Turkey does this then come back and talk

What is their gdp one third of Indias
I think if that

Different league completely

also irrelevant, what relation does this have to turbines?

 

[r3alist]

this is downright delusional and your bias talking.

How many engines has turkey developed?

Development Speed: Turkey's aerospace sector (TEI) has made rapid, recent strides, leaping from smaller engines to designing 160 kN thrust engines for the KAAN fighter within a decade. India’s Kaveri project has faced severe, multi-decade delays since the 1980s.
Current Status & Strategy: Turkey is developing its own engines (TF35000) for the KAAN while using GE F110s for prototypes. India has pivoted to co-developing/producing engines with foreign partners (e.g., France's Safran for 120 kN engines) after failures to indigenize the Kaveri.
Dependency: Turkey is actively seeking to break its reliance on foreign, specifically U.S., engines. India remains "critically dependent" on U.S. General Electric engines for its entire fighter fleet, including the LCA Tejas and upcoming AMCA.
Future Goals: Turkey aims to field its own engines for its 5th-gen KAAN by 2032. India is pushing to produce a 120 kN engine with Safran for its AMCA Mk2.
While Turkey has successfully developed and tested smaller engines and is moving fast, India has a long history of design, but has struggled with manufacturing and, until recently, lacked a focused, collaborative approach to engine production, notes Swarajya.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

How many do you have?

Multiple at various stages of development/testing

Like the actual point is that if you want to pursue a jet engine based on Indian levels of know-how and capability as well as track record, it's really plausible to ask better not to bother

We're talking about gas turbines, not 50cc moped engines. Even china took decades to build it's own family of them and master the tech and still has a long road to go to reach western levels of TBO, engine life, TET etc but they ultimately will.

I know you guys hate being benchmarked to China,

So from turkey, the goal post is now shifted to china

but they have gone on that journey on jet engines and are self-reliant, but then not only that they have 200 5th gen fighters.... That also means they have understood and achieved the associated technologies and capabilities.

Good for them

Development Speed: Turkey's aerospace sector (TEI) has made rapid, recent strides, leaping from smaller engines to designing 160 kN thrust engines for the KAAN fighter within a decade. India’s Kaveri project has faced severe, multi-decade delays since the 1980s.
Current Status & Strategy: Turkey is developing its own engines (TF35000) for the KAAN while using GE F110s for prototypes. India has pivoted to co-developing/producing engines with foreign partners (e.g., France's Safran for 120 kN engines) after failures to indigenize the Kaveri.
Dependency: Turkey is actively seeking to break its reliance on foreign, specifically U.S., engines. India remains "critically dependent" on U.S. General Electric engines for its entire fighter fleet, including the LCA Tejas and upcoming AMCA.
Future Goals: Turkey aims to field its own engines for its 5th-gen KAAN by 2032. India is pushing to produce a 120 kN engine with Safran for its AMCA Mk2.
While Turkey has successfully developed and tested smaller engines and is moving fast, India has a long history of design, but has struggled with manufacturing and, until recently, lacked a focused, collaborative approach to engine production, notes Swarajya.

You surely have no idea how outlandish that claim is. Go figure out how many ~160kn engines even exist on earth.

Tech is not about delays but getting what you want to build the next step. Turkey has only built small expendable turbojets only, apart from TF6000 that was tested first time in 2024, with no info on how many tests it has completed or it's afterburner.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

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is this real ?

 

[Hussain]

is this real ?

Only macro jee can confirm, but in my opinion its Ai

 

[r3alist]

Multiple at various stages of development/testing

So after four decades you are saying you have a handful of planes


And that's not bad.

Even china took decades to build it's own family of

And therefore what makes you think you can do it sooner? By the time you get to where the rest of the world is they will stand still for you, right?

Good for them

I'm not trying to make the standard remark that look how far behind you are from China, but still it is just one way to understand the astronomical difference.

Was i generous with 5%?