Yasser76
Elite Member
Well they had Meteor back in May last year, that did not help them...
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Well they had Meteor back in May last year, that did not help them...
Yasser76
Elite Member
Go from 28 sqds to 56. Yes, of course you will dear boy.
Simply forgetting also that most of the current 28 Sqds also need replacing (Jags, Mig-29s etc)
So basically you are saying India will soon have 800 new 4/5th gen fighters all made in India? You realise even if you are 12 years old (and I suspect you may be), this will not happen in your lifetime right?
Better than any one on the forum
Like I said original MRFA was about 126 fighters in 2010 Rafale won in multi vendor competition including F16/70 Typhoon Mig35 etc ..
But the cost was horrendous then India could not afford it
There was political scandal
Deal never took and modi wanted Tejas in large no's
HAL let Indian air force down hence now We have the fiasco falling numbers no Tejas in sight in numbers we want so we rush back to Rafale
I know it's rubbish from India
I blame the former air chiefs asleep
For nation of our size shameful no indengious fighter and shamrful we have danced around the Rafale
Pathetic
Yasser is right the entire Indian air force is obselete
As is the Pakistani air force too last time I checked bar 20 J10c it's poorly equipped budget fleet
But the Pakistanis have one tenth Indian budget and it's as good as it can get
India should do much better imo
As is the Pakistani air force too last time I checked bar 20 J10c it's poorly equipped budget fleet
But the Pakistanis have one tenth Indian budget and it's as good as it can get
India should do much better imo
Corax
Registered Member
So let me get this right, back in 2010 you selected 126 Rafale fighters, and only then found out you couldn't afford it?! Did Dassault not mention the cost at all during that process?! Seriously like how old you? 10? If this is the best argument you have, no wonder the likes of you are so pathetic.
Corax
Registered Member
And yet you couldn't defeat just 20 J10Cs with over 70 of your best fighters.
LX1111
Registered Member
In my view as a Chinese, buying 114 Rafale fighter jets wouldIt would improve India's air force, but it is too expensive, costing $39 billion..
This is roughly equivalent to the cost of China's purchase of all 370 J-16s.
And don't forget,India is a trade deficit country, according to its own data,India has a $300 billion trade deficit every year.
Beijingwalker
VIP Member
IAF battles China-Pak with only 29 squadrons instead of 42 – when will Tejas deliveries speed up?
Story by Tarique Anwar• 3w
New Delhi: The suspense over the delivery of Tejas Mark-1A jets is finally nearing an end. The Indian Air Force (IAF) has long expressed concerns over its shrinking squadron strength while simultaneously facing a two-front challenge from China and Pakistan. After multiple missed deadlines, a meeting is scheduled between the IAF and the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in the last week of April. This meeting will determine when the long-awaited indigenous fighter jets will start bolstering India’s aerial defence.
Meeting’s agenda
Defence sources say the meeting will concentrate on the Air Staff Quality Requirement (ASQR), the technical and operational blueprint that every aircraft must meet. Once the jets leave the factory, IAF technical teams and test pilots will thoroughly inspect each aircraft. Any shortfall in meeting ASQR standards must be corrected immediately by the HAL before the ‘acceptance’ report can be issued.Delay factors and engine shortages
The slow pace of the Tejas programme has been largely attributed to delays in engine deliveries by American aircraft engine manufacturing giant General Electric (GE). A 2021 agreement had been signed for 99 F404 engines, but their supply has only begun to pick up now.The IAF has expressed concerns and disappointments over these delays and stressed the urgent need for the Tejas programme. The gradual arrival of engines is expected to speed up production and reduce delivery backlogs.
Only 29 squadrons against required 42
At present, the IAF operates with just 29 fighter squadrons that are far short of the sanctioned strength of 42. Tejas Mark-1A is seen as the only way to bridge this gap. The Air Force initially placed an order for 83 Mark-1A jets, which will form four squadrons.This was followed by a recent deal for 97 additional aircraft. Together Tejas is expected to form 11 squadrons in the future, of which only two are active at present.
The main reasons for the delay in the deliveries of the aircraft are the slow supply of engines by GE and the rigorous ASQR inspection process by the IAF. The force is presently short by 13 squadrons compared to the required 42. Over 180 jets are awaited to restore operational strength. The upcoming April meeting will focus on ASQR standards, which outline the technical and operational requirements for the jets.
With 83 Mark-1A jets already ordered and 97 more recently approved, the programme is important for strengthening India’s aerial defence.
The Tejas Mark-1A is the backbone of the IAF’s future squadrons and a decisive factor in countering regional security challenges. The coming weeks will determine how soon these jets can begin filling the gap and ensure India’s skies are fully protected.
India needs both Domestic inductions off the production lines and Rafale imports simultaneously to ease the numbers pressure
12-16 Rafales license production
16-24 Tejas production
Each year you would have 320 Fighters in 8 to 10 years IE 2035
Simulatenous su30mki upgrade
Then Amca to follow
On paper it looks fine if you throw fifty billion dollars at it
But can't see it happening
12-16 Rafales license production
16-24 Tejas production
Each year you would have 320 Fighters in 8 to 10 years IE 2035
Simulatenous su30mki upgrade
Then Amca to follow
On paper it looks fine if you throw fifty billion dollars at it
But can't see it happening
CallSignMaverick
Registered Member
Stop acting childish India is
Look you can blah blah all you like
This is the reason why it was cancelled
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FW-MAG Future Warfare Magazine - Indian Air Force opts for additional RAFALEs to stem fighter decline
Indian Air Force opts for additional RAFALEs to stem fighter decline
www.fw-mag.com
Read for yourself
Btw
Indian navy has concluded buy of 26 marine Rafales already arriving 2028
If this air force deal goes live this time and all indicators are it will
India will have 176 Rafales in service between Air force and Navy
I Suspect you Pakistanis will be panicking with frequent trips to Saudi and china trying to assemble more j10c first and then J35 because 20 each of J10c and 20J35 will be swamped
Corax
Registered Member
Look who's talking, all you guys can do is go on a shopping spree for every fighter in the world and panic buy Rafales after you guys got thrashed in 2019 "if only we had Rafales" and that didn't turn out too well. Your "Raptor of the east" was also meant to be a "game changer" but russian junk just keeps falling from the sky.Stop acting childish India is
Look you can blah blah all you like
This is the reason why it was cancelled
FW-MAG Future Warfare Magazine - Indian Air Force opts for additional RAFALEs to stem fighter decline
Indian Air Force opts for additional RAFALEs to stem fighter decline
Read for yourself
Btw
Indian navy has concluded buy of 26 marine Rafales already arriving 2028
If this air force deal goes live this time and all indicators are it will
India will have 176 Rafales in service between Air force and Navy
I Suspect you Pakistanis will be panicking with frequent trips to Saudi and china trying to assemble more j10c first and then J35 because 20 each of J10c and 20J35 will be swamped
I think to avoid needless losses in future ghatak ucav and long range next generation missiles will be preferred ..
This is 13 tonnes in weight and very low rcs stealth planes
So may not need 42 manned from fighter squadrons maybe 35 only with the remaining 10/15 squadrons of
Ghatak
Neuron from France if we get Rafale F5
Some big big changes especially when you add the 10 billion. Recently signed with Israel for hypersonic next generation weapons like
Lora
Golden horizon
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