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They made some mistakes about Tejas :
-It was an error to try to developp the smaller jet of the world (all is more complexe when small).
-It was an error to study at once the new jet and its new engine.
-HAL is a lazy company.
result is late, overpriced, underefficient.
 
I dont undrrstand why youre so worked up about it. Whether you lose a war with india with Tejas or you lose the war with india without tejas, it is the same.

You are cute, Rafales smashed to pieces and talking about winning wars, anyway stay on topic, I know trolling is the only form of cope you lot have now....
 
They made some mistakes about Tejas :
-It was an error to try to developp the smaller jet of the world (all is more complexe when small).
-It was an error to study at once the new jet and its new engine.
-HAL is a lazy company.
result is late, overpriced, underefficient.


Indians are stupid...

India was offered complete TOT etc for Mirage 2000 in 1990s... but the "make in India" ( READ: fucked in india) was running. high in their head

if I were the procurement decision maker I would have standardize the IAF. Take Mirage 2000 TOT including blue prints, engine tech and build locally using local partners 1000+ mirage 2000s plus importing 200 Rafales ... and buy US AWACS to ensure complete compatibility interns of situational awareness, maintenance , operating preparedness etc

Some people doubt India's ability to make Mirage 2000... well Israelis stole Mirage V designs / blue prints and made Kifirs in the 1970s. India has the industrial capacity to do with French technical guidance.

but instead they bought Su-30s, Mig 29s , Jaguars, harriers, Mig 27, Mig 23, Upgrading Mig 21, ... what a bloody mess!....

PAF will essenetially standardize to 3 types.. F-16s will be phased out.

40 J35 5th gen Stealth Fifth
100+ J-10 4.5+ gen
400+ JF-17 4 gen
 
Indians are stupid...

India was offered complete TOT etc for Mirage 2000 in 1990s... but the "make in India" ( READ: fucked in india) was running. high in their head

if I were the procurement decision maker I would have standardize the IAF. Take Mirage 2000 TOT including blue prints, engine tech and build locally using local partners 1000+ mirage 2000s plus importing 200 Rafales ... and buy US AWACS to ensure complete compatibility interns of situational awareness, maintenance , operating preparedness etc

Some people doubt India's ability to make Mirage 2000... well Israelis stole Mirage V designs / blue prints and made Kifirs in the 1970s. India has the industrial capacity to do with French technical guidance.

but instead they bought Su-30s, Mig 29s , Jaguars, harriers, Mig 27, Mig 23, Upgrading Mig 21, ... what a bloody mess!....

PAF will essenetially standardize to 3 types.. F-16s will be phased out.

40 J35 f5 gen Stealth Fifth
100+ J-10 4.5+ gen
400+ JF-17 4 gen

More realistic numbers based on Pakistan huge financial constraints

40J10
40j35
200Jf17
50 upgraded falcons

You just won't ditch the falcons yet without squeezing everything out of them

The j10 you have 20 you want more but your Forex issue recent UAE demands for money return has stopped this

J35 you will get six or so for training and I integration between 2028-2030 but two full squadron will take until 2035 the supports AWACS and new technology shelters with support air conditioning and maintenance will cost billions ...billions you just don't have
 
Indians are stupid...

India was offered complete TOT etc for Mirage 2000 in 1990s... but the "make in India" ( READ: fucked in india) was running. high in their head

if I were the procurement decision maker I would have standardize the IAF. Take Mirage 2000 TOT including blue prints, engine tech and build locally using local partners 1000+ mirage 2000s plus importing 200 Rafales ... and buy US AWACS to ensure complete compatibility interns of situational awareness, maintenance , operating preparedness etc

Some people doubt India's ability to make Mirage 2000... well Israelis stole Mirage V designs / blue prints and made Kifirs in the 1970s. India has the industrial capacity to do with French technical guidance.

but instead they bought Su-30s, Mig 29s , Jaguars, harriers, Mig 27, Mig 23, Upgrading Mig 21, ... what a bloody mess!....

PAF will essenetially standardize to 3 types.. F-16s will be phased out.

40 J35 5th gen Stealth Fifth
100+ J-10 4.5+ gen
400+ JF-17 4 gen


If they dither with the French good chance they will miss out on Rafale like they did with Mirage 2000. Think they are being clever and good negotiators in the short term, in the long term they shoot themselves in the foot.

Look at walking away from SU-57 15 years ago to teach the Russians a lesson, now walking back. 15 years of missed opportunity. They would have had maybe over 100 of them in service by now.

IAF leadership and HAL. Pakistan's greatest allies
 
I dont undrrstand why youre so worked up about it. Whether you lose a war with india with Tejas or you lose the war with india without tejas, it is the same.

You went begging to the USA for a ceasefire and couldnt handle the slaughter and come on PDF sticking your brown 32 inch chest? Sit down and be quiet
 
Meeting on Tejas finally held, and yes, its bad.

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Ministry of Defence weighs penalty against HAL as Tejas Mk1A deliveries slip over 2 years​


New Delhi: The defence ministry is considering invoking contractual penalty clauses against state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) over its failure to deliver a single Tejas Mk1A fighter jet to the Indian Air Force (IAF), more than two years after deliveries were originally due to begin in March 2024.

The defence minister, Rajnath Singh, chaired a high-level programme review meeting on June 8 attended by the chief of defence staff, General NS Raja Subramani, the air chief marshal, AP Singh, the defence secretary, Rajesh Kumar Singh, and HAL’s chairman and managing director, Ravi Kota, along with other senior officials. The meeting had itself been delayed by a month, officials said, owing to HAL’s lack of progress.

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Sources in the defence establishment said the financial penalty under consideration is not punitive in an extraordinary sense but stems from a standard contractual provision triggered by delayed delivery, the very clause HAL has itself invoked against the American engine maker GE Aerospace for its failure to supply F404-IN20 engines on schedule.

A programme in paralysis

The scale of the delay is striking. Under a contract signed in February 2021 worth roughly ₹48,000 crore, the IAF ordered 83 Tejas Mk1A aircraft, with deliveries to begin in the financial year 2023-24. As of early June 2026, not one aircraft has been formally handed over.

HAL currently has around 20 airframes ready, of which only six are fitted with GE F404-IN20 engines, the remainder await powerplants that have yet to arrive from the United States.


Out of 99 engines ordered under a $716 million contract signed in 2021, GE had delivered only six units as of April 2026. Engine supply was originally to begin in April 2023.
Rajnath Singh raised the issue with his American counterparts on multiple occasions, including in a conversation with US secretary of defence Pete Hegseth earlier this year.

Officials said that if HAL addresses the outstanding air staff qualitative requirement (ASQR) shortfalls, between 18 and 24 aircraft could be ready by the end of the calendar year 2026. The IAF is expected to conduct a structured evaluation of the available batch around that time, with formal induction potentially beginning from the second half of the year.

Engines are not the only problem

HAL has consistently pointed to GE’s engine supply failures as the primary cause of delay, and that explanation has some merit: the original supply schedule called for GE to deliver two engines per month, a pace that has not been maintained.

However, the IAF has made clear that engine supply is not the only outstanding issue. The air chief marshal, AP Singh, has publicly criticized HAL on at least two occasions, including at the Aero India 2025 air show in Bengaluru in February 2025, where he said the company was “not in mission mode” and cited a “poor track record” on timely delivery, noting that engine shortfalls alone did not account for all of HAL’s unmet commitments.

A key technical bottleneck remains the integration of the EL/M-2052 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar with the aircraft’s electronic warfare suite and onboard mission systems.


Beyond radar certification, missile-firing trials and full weapons-package validation are non-negotiable prerequisites for IAF acceptance.

The Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC) must validate every system, component, and software element before operational clearance is granted, a process that, by current estimates, is expected to take at least six more months from the time hardware is ready.

An operational necessity

The urgency is not merely bureaucratic. The IAF currently operates 29 fighter squadrons against a sanctioned strength of 42.5. The force is already flying around 40 Tejas Mk1 aircraft and has placed orders for a combined 180 Mk1A jets, 83 under the 2021 contract and a further 97 approved in a deal signed in September 2025 worth ₹62,370 crore.

The Mk1A is intended to be the primary platform to arrest the decline in squadron numbers as ageing MiG-21 and older Jaguar fleets are phased out.

Any further slippage carries direct strategic consequences. India’s air force faces a growing capability gap at a time of heightened security concerns along both its western and northern borders.

China has been expanding and modernizing its air force at a rapid pace, while Pakistan operates the J-10C, a fourth-generation-plus aircraft supplied by China. For the IAF, the Tejas Mk1A’s delayed induction is not a procurement inconvenience but a live force-planning problem.

HAL’s broader obligations

The review meeting also covered other major programmes, including the Russian Sukhoi Su-57 fighter aircraft and India’s indigenous fifth-generation fighter, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA). HAL has in parallel signed a separate agreement with GE Aerospace for 113 F404-IN20 engines to power the second batch of 97 Mk1A aircraft, with deliveries under that contract expected to commence from 2027.

HAL has established a new production facility at Nashik with a stated annual capacity of 24 Tejas Mk1A jets, scalable from an earlier rate of 16.

 
Meeting on Tejas finally held, and yes, its bad.

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  2. Defence Ministry
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Ministry of Defence weighs penalty against HAL as Tejas Mk1A deliveries slip over 2 years​


New Delhi: The defence ministry is considering invoking contractual penalty clauses against state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) over its failure to deliver a single Tejas Mk1A fighter jet to the Indian Air Force (IAF), more than two years after deliveries were originally due to begin in March 2024.

The defence minister, Rajnath Singh, chaired a high-level programme review meeting on June 8 attended by the chief of defence staff, General NS Raja Subramani, the air chief marshal, AP Singh, the defence secretary, Rajesh Kumar Singh, and HAL’s chairman and managing director, Ravi Kota, along with other senior officials. The meeting had itself been delayed by a month, officials said, owing to HAL’s lack of progress.

b743bf88ef63e12a20030d06e67c7629142da021.jpeg


Sources in the defence establishment said the financial penalty under consideration is not punitive in an extraordinary sense but stems from a standard contractual provision triggered by delayed delivery, the very clause HAL has itself invoked against the American engine maker GE Aerospace for its failure to supply F404-IN20 engines on schedule.

A programme in paralysis

The scale of the delay is striking. Under a contract signed in February 2021 worth roughly ₹48,000 crore, the IAF ordered 83 Tejas Mk1A aircraft, with deliveries to begin in the financial year 2023-24. As of early June 2026, not one aircraft has been formally handed over.

HAL currently has around 20 airframes ready, of which only six are fitted with GE F404-IN20 engines, the remainder await powerplants that have yet to arrive from the United States.


Out of 99 engines ordered under a $716 million contract signed in 2021, GE had delivered only six units as of April 2026. Engine supply was originally to begin in April 2023.
Rajnath Singh raised the issue with his American counterparts on multiple occasions, including in a conversation with US secretary of defence Pete Hegseth earlier this year.

Officials said that if HAL addresses the outstanding air staff qualitative requirement (ASQR) shortfalls, between 18 and 24 aircraft could be ready by the end of the calendar year 2026. The IAF is expected to conduct a structured evaluation of the available batch around that time, with formal induction potentially beginning from the second half of the year.

Engines are not the only problem

HAL has consistently pointed to GE’s engine supply failures as the primary cause of delay, and that explanation has some merit: the original supply schedule called for GE to deliver two engines per month, a pace that has not been maintained.

However, the IAF has made clear that engine supply is not the only outstanding issue. The air chief marshal, AP Singh, has publicly criticized HAL on at least two occasions, including at the Aero India 2025 air show in Bengaluru in February 2025, where he said the company was “not in mission mode” and cited a “poor track record” on timely delivery, noting that engine shortfalls alone did not account for all of HAL’s unmet commitments.

A key technical bottleneck remains the integration of the EL/M-2052 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar with the aircraft’s electronic warfare suite and onboard mission systems.


Beyond radar certification, missile-firing trials and full weapons-package validation are non-negotiable prerequisites for IAF acceptance.

The Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC) must validate every system, component, and software element before operational clearance is granted, a process that, by current estimates, is expected to take at least six more months from the time hardware is ready.

An operational necessity

The urgency is not merely bureaucratic. The IAF currently operates 29 fighter squadrons against a sanctioned strength of 42.5. The force is already flying around 40 Tejas Mk1 aircraft and has placed orders for a combined 180 Mk1A jets, 83 under the 2021 contract and a further 97 approved in a deal signed in September 2025 worth ₹62,370 crore.

The Mk1A is intended to be the primary platform to arrest the decline in squadron numbers as ageing MiG-21 and older Jaguar fleets are phased out.

Any further slippage carries direct strategic consequences. India’s air force faces a growing capability gap at a time of heightened security concerns along both its western and northern borders.

China has been expanding and modernizing its air force at a rapid pace, while Pakistan operates the J-10C, a fourth-generation-plus aircraft supplied by China. For the IAF, the Tejas Mk1A’s delayed induction is not a procurement inconvenience but a live force-planning problem.

HAL’s broader obligations

The review meeting also covered other major programmes, including the Russian Sukhoi Su-57 fighter aircraft and India’s indigenous fifth-generation fighter, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA). HAL has in parallel signed a separate agreement with GE Aerospace for 113 F404-IN20 engines to power the second batch of 97 Mk1A aircraft, with deliveries under that contract expected to commence from 2027.

HAL has established a new production facility at Nashik with a stated annual capacity of 24 Tejas Mk1A jets, scalable from an earlier rate of 16.

Lockheed Martin can deliver F-35 fighter jets without radar to its customers. Why can't HAL deliver Tejas fighter jets without engines to the IAF?

HAL should sue this review board! LOL

This is just a joke.

The right approach for India would be to break up HAL into multiple companies and let them compete fiercely with each other. Similar to the competitive relationship between CAC and SAC.
 
Lockheed Martin can deliver F-35 fighter jets without radar to its customers. Why can't HAL deliver Tejas fighter jets without engines to the IAF?

HAL should sue this review board! LOL

This is just a joke.

The right approach for India would be to break up HAL into multiple companies and let them compete fiercely with each other. Similar to the competitive relationship between CAC and SAC.

I dont think competition is the issue here with HAL's performance.

They likely have heavier bureaucracy compared to even China. Higher top down corruption, embezzlement all taking funds away from talented engineers they may have. Then the pay is supposedly extremely low for the type of work expected from professionals in this industry.

Any semi decent talent would have left India.

If top European powers cannot even make a 5th gen (which is what GCAP and FCAS was to be honest), where does India get the funding, ability to retain talent and base industry to do 5th gen? Okay Tejas is thoroughly 4th gen but the challenge is similar and India doesn't have the means to complete a modern 4th gen fighter without the ability to retain appropriate talent and fund them well enough for the required decades.

They will not be able to do AMCA at all until they establish the fundamentals well - investment in infrastructure and living standards -> education -> retain talent because India is agreeable enough for that calibre of talent to remain in or return to -> decades of this and then fruits are nurtured.
 
Lockheed Martin can deliver F-35 fighter jets without radar to its customers. Why can't HAL deliver Tejas fighter jets without engines to the IAF?

HAL should sue this review board! LOL

This is just a joke.

The right approach for India would be to break up HAL into multiple companies and let them compete fiercely with each other. Similar to the competitive relationship between CAC and SAC.

current set up suits Pakistan perfectly, and dare i say US and China too...
 

Ministry of Defence weighs penalty against HAL as Tejas Mk1A deliveries slip over 2 years​

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New Delhi: The defence ministry is considering invoking contractual penalty clauses against state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) over its failure to deliver a single Tejas Mk1A fighter jet to the Indian Air Force (IAF), more than two years after deliveries were originally due to begin in March 2024.

The defence minister, Rajnath Singh, chaired a high-level programme review meeting on June 8 attended by the chief of defence staff, General NS Raja Subramani, the air chief marshal, AP Singh, the defence secretary, Rajesh Kumar Singh, and HAL’s chairman and managing director, Ravi Kota, along with other senior officials. The meeting had itself been delayed by a month, officials said, owing to HAL’s lack of progress.

b743bf88ef63e12a20030d06e67c7629142da021.jpeg


Sources in the defence establishment said the financial penalty under consideration is not punitive in an extraordinary sense but stems from a standard contractual provision triggered by delayed delivery, the very clause HAL has itself invoked against the American engine maker GE Aerospace for its failure to supply F404-IN20 engines on schedule.

A programme in paralysis

The scale of the delay is striking. Under a contract signed in February 2021 worth roughly ₹48,000 crore, the IAF ordered 83 Tejas Mk1A aircraft, with deliveries to begin in the financial year 2023-24. As of early June 2026, not one aircraft has been formally handed over.

HAL currently has around 20 airframes ready, of which only six are fitted with GE F404-IN20 engines, the remainder await powerplants that have yet to arrive from the United States.

Out of 99 engines ordered under a $716 million contract signed in 2021, GE had delivered only six units as of April 2026. Engine supply was originally to begin in April 2023. Rajnath Singh raised the issue with his American counterparts on multiple occasions, including in a conversation with US secretary of defence Pete Hegseth earlier this year.

Officials said that if HAL addresses the outstanding air staff qualitative requirement (ASQR) shortfalls, between 18 and 24 aircraft could be ready by the end of the calendar year 2026. The IAF is expected to conduct a structured evaluation of the available batch around that time, with formal induction potentially beginning from the second half of the year.

Engines are not the only problem

HAL has consistently pointed to GE’s engine supply failures as the primary cause of delay, and that explanation has some merit: the original supply schedule called for GE to deliver two engines per month, a pace that has not been maintained.

However, the IAF has made clear that engine supply is not the only outstanding issue. The air chief marshal, AP Singh, has publicly criticized HAL on at least two occasions, including at the Aero India 2025 air show in Bengaluru in February 2025, where he said the company was “not in mission mode” and cited a “poor track record” on timely delivery, noting that engine shortfalls alone did not account for all of HAL’s unmet commitments.

A key technical bottleneck remains the integration of the EL/M-2052 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar with the aircraft’s electronic warfare suite and onboard mission systems.


Beyond radar certification, missile-firing trials and full weapons-package validation are non-negotiable prerequisites for IAF acceptance.

The Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC) must validate every system, component, and software element before operational clearance is granted, a process that, by current estimates, is expected to take at least six more months from the time hardware is ready.

An operational necessity

The urgency is not merely bureaucratic. The IAF currently operates 29 fighter squadrons against a sanctioned strength of 42.5. The force is already flying around 40 Tejas Mk1 aircraft and has placed orders for a combined 180 Mk1A jets, 83 under the 2021 contract and a further 97 approved in a deal signed in September 2025 worth ₹62,370 crore.

The Mk1A is intended to be the primary platform to arrest the decline in squadron numbers as ageing MiG-21 and older Jaguar fleets are phased out.

Any further slippage carries direct strategic consequences. India’s air force faces a growing capability gap at a time of heightened security concerns along both its western and northern borders.

China has been expanding and modernizing its air force at a rapid pace, while Pakistan operates the J-10C, a fourth-generation-plus aircraft supplied by China. For the IAF, the Tejas Mk1A’s delayed induction is not a procurement inconvenience but a live force-planning problem.

HAL’s broader obligations

The review meeting also covered other major programmes, including the Russian Sukhoi Su-57 fighter aircraft and India’s indigenous fifth-generation fighter, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA). HAL has in parallel signed a separate agreement with GE Aerospace for 113 F404-IN20 engines to power the second batch of 97 Mk1A aircraft, with deliveries under that contract expected to commence from 2027.

HAL has established a new production facility at Nashik with a stated annual capacity of 24 Tejas Mk1A jets, scalable from an earlier rate of 16.

 
If they dither with the French good chance they will miss out on Rafale like they did with Mirage 2000. Think they are being clever and good negotiators in the short term, in the long term they shoot themselves in the foot.

Look at walking away from SU-57 15 years ago to teach the Russians a lesson, now walking back. 15 years of missed opportunity. They would have had maybe over 100 of them in service by now.

IAF leadership and HAL. Pakistan's greatest allies
agree.

they have this hubris that they are superior.. most it is ill founded in their delusion.

I recall many years ago ( 2005 I think) there was a conversion going on with Swedish colleague and indian one. The Indian bragged they have the best engineers in the world and better than Swedish... I was asked to back him up ... big mistake .. he he he

I told them let me answer this way as I do not have a engineering background

Sweden lets what they make.....

> Volvo cars -
> Volvo busess
> volvo trucks and construction equipment
> Erricson telecommunication products later know as Sony erricsson.
> AWACS
> IKEA
> SAAB cars and fighter jets
> Gripen fighter jets

etc etc world class excellent products


India.... let see

Padmini cars .. (no kidding they were selling them in Dubai and only South Indians bought it), Tata buses etc

for the "best" engineers in the world they seem to make third rate products that even Nepal would be embarrassed to buy.

In end what you deliver in the field is proof of your capabilities not out of 100M donkeys applying only 1% get in some third world school.... and then you call your self the best.

that is indians for you.

even today they have not changed... took at the clash last June...the entire world acknowledged Indian military got butt raped... but they continue to say we are lumber #1 and we begged for a ceasefire

it is simple..the one who lost cries alot... and india did a lot of crying.
 
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More realistic numbers based on Pakistan huge financial constraints

40J10
40j35
200Jf17
50 upgraded falcons

You just won't ditch the falcons yet without squeezing everything out of them

The j10 you have 20 you want more but your Forex issue recent UAE demands for money return has stopped this

J35 you will get six or so for training and I integration between 2028-2030 but two full squadron will take until 2035 the supports AWACS and new technology shelters with support air conditioning and maintenance will cost billions ...billions you just don't have

Pakistan is the China's new attack dog... and police man... PAF will get what ever it needs.. you might have missed the 8 new sub we are getting one delivered all ready..

In case you didnt notice what Pakistan is doing across the region. Only it set become the defense part of Gulf states along with Turkey and Egypt ...


dont worry of funding... I still remember daddy Jeets of the 1980s did mental masterbation on how Pakistan could not afford 40 F-16s.... same nonsense you are typing here today...

fast forward today ... questions are being raised by IAF capability and competence not ours.
 
agree.

they have this hubris that they are superior.. most it is ill founded in their delusion.

even today they have not changed... took at the clash last June...the entire world acknowledged Indian military got butt raped... but they continue to say we are lumber #1 and we begged for a ceasefire

it is simple..the one who lost cries alot... and india did a lot of crying.

This narrative that India begged USA for peace is utter nonsense any idiot can see that

The very minute Indian blitzed 11 of of your 15 airbases with scalp brahmos and Harpy drones
You people claim.they ran to USA for peace talks

Outright lies
It's your leaders handing Nobel peace prize and shouting Trump saar jee thank you for saving 35 million lives

You never hear that from Indian we are pissed at Trump for butting in
We should continued for another day or two

Any way we are going off topic again. Please stick to Indian air force ..

I heard after the Rafale deal.is signed India will receive

26 marine Rafales in 2028/2030
Then 18 Rafales F4 by 2030
The remaining 96 Rafales F4.2 to be built from 2032 to 2038 IE six years

Its much needed boost but we need the Tejas to be delivered between.2027-2032

I would dispense with Tejas after the 83 are delivered

Move and focus on two projects beyond this
IE

Amca total focus and investment
Upgrade the Su30mki to super mki. As many as they can

Stick to

Su30mki now 250 fighters
Rafale 150 fighters
Tejas 120 from fighters

Beyond this until Amca arrives in 2040

India needs to answer evolving threats IE from fifth generation technology of adversarys

Ghatak UCAV
French UCAV along side Rafale F5

Multi layered Air defense with more s400 and India new long range sam. Systems

Finally we have seen from.ukraine war and Iran war that drones and stand off weapons are massive part of nations air power and can be a decisive as manned fighters

You need everything
Manned Fighters both 4th generation for high sortie rates and fifth generation for stealth roles
Air defense theatre air defense
Drones unmanned weapons
UCAV
Anti drones systems
 
This narrative that India begged USA for peace is utter nonsense any idiot can see that

The very minute Indian blitzed 11 of of your 15 airbases with scalp brahmos and Harpy drones
You people claim.they ran to USA for peace talks

Outright lies
It's your leaders handing Nobel peace prize and shouting Trump saar jee thank you for saving 35 million lives

You never hear that from Indian we are pissed at Trump for butting in
We should continued for another day or two

Any way we are going off topic again. Please stick to Indian air force ..

I heard after the Rafale deal.is signed India will receive

26 marine Rafales in 2028/2030
Then 18 Rafales F4 by 2030
The remaining 96 Rafales F4.2 to be built from 2032 to 2038 IE six years

Its much needed boost but we need the Tejas to be delivered between.2027-2032

I would dispense with Tejas after the 83 are delivered

Move and focus on two projects beyond this
IE

Amca total focus and investment
Upgrade the Su30mki to super mki. As many as they can

Stick to

Su30mki now 250 fighters
Rafale 150 fighters
Tejas 120 from fighters

Beyond this until Amca arrives in 2040

India needs to answer evolving threats IE from fifth generation technology of adversarys

Ghatak UCAV
French UCAV along side Rafale F5

Multi layered Air defense with more s400 and India new long range sam. Systems

Finally we have seen from.ukraine war and Iran war that drones and stand off weapons are massive part of nations air power and can be a decisive as manned fighters

You need everything
Manned Fighters both 4th generation for high sortie rates and fifth generation for stealth roles
Air defense theatre air defense
Drones unmanned weapons
UCAV
Anti drones systems

The obsession with base attacks is just a cope. Even Iran was able to hit military US bases all over the Gulf and Israel. But its Air Force was rendered in effective. The point of an Air Force is to win an air war. Yours couldn’t do nada. You got blown out of the air, had your Air Force grounded for full two days (by your senior most military leader) and had to rely on ground launched missiles to compensate.

If it wasn’t for the incompetence of the GHQ generals, even your missile and drone saturation attacks would have been nullified.

GTFOH with your weird cope gymnastics.
 

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