Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Master Chief]

Yep , most of them were military supporters before they took residence in imran's bund .

You forget that Imran Khan and his party have the mandate of the majority of the electorate, while the Sharif clan has forged illness, evaded judicial indictment, and gifted stolen elections to selected family members. These should be the rate limiting steps for appropriate democratic succession. That the military aligns or doesn't align on any particular side of the equation is irrelevant.

Despite all the above, no Imran Khan supporter will sit idly by during this crisis or even think about harming the prevailing national interest by resorting to politicking. One hopes that PMLN will feel similarly.

 

[SaadH]

Pak Iran relations took a U turn when Gen Zia seize power and had a deep anti Shia sentiment.

This is the basic problem with Pakistan is the military

Nah bhaee, relations took a U turn when the ayatollahs decided to export their revolution into Pakistan and openly sided with India...

 

[Distant_Observer]

Nah bhaee, relations took a U turn when the ayatollahs decided to export their revolution into Pakistan and openly sided with India...

They made it a business to radicalize shias in Karachi for their proxy wars. Pakistan has been soft for too long and allowed these countries to take advantage and abuse.

 

[mythbuster]

Now that Modi is caught between devil and deep see, the question is what the evil soul is going to do? If he does attack Pakistan, he will most probably be humiliated because Pakistan has refused to get bullied. If he doesn’t, he will be facing a charged Indian media monster, the hype that he has habitually creates, and a hurt and damaged ego that he rarely have tasted before (except of course on 19 Feb 2019). But then in 2019, he was given a face saving by Bajwa (on the insistence of foreign powers) by returning a captured Indian pilot.
In all possibilities, Modi will bring the temperature to a boiling point apparently trying to prevent it from spiraling into a full fledge war while putting demands to the international community before embarking on the de-escalation course. That is his typical tactic to blackmail the world community for browbeating Pakistan on the table rather than in the battlefield. Since, any clash between the two armed neighbors will not be allowed to draw longer than a few days at the most, Pakistan will be pressurized by the international community. Pakistan must counter this blackmailing by refusing any unmatched concessions to India.

Who is the international community ? America?........ diplomatically, Pakistan is in a far more comfortable spot right now than it was during the last few decades......no one is going to ask Pakistan for any concessions.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Let us ponder on the options Modi will have after bringing the temperatures to a boiling point.

• Modi will ask Pakistan, through the mediators, to budge down on Modi’s terms. He will blackmail the international community into pressuring Pakistan to agree to Modi’s terms while promising no support for the Kashmiri freedom fighters (that he calls cross-border terrorism) in future. These freedom fighters are waging an armed struggle for last 50 years against illegal Indian occupation. Indian forces are occupying the J&K in clear and continued violations of related UN resolutions and bilateral agreements with Pakistan. Obviously Modi will not get that commitment from Pakistan. But what I fear is Pakistan may agree to the decades old lollypop of “all efforts in future to amicably resolve Kashmir issue through peaceful means”. This kind of promise has no value for the people of occupied J&K.
• Modi will ask, again through the mediators, to allow him to launch a symbolic attack on Pakistan for his face saving against a charged domestic environment. Again, it’s a usual ploy that Indian leaders have been using to extract concessions from Pakistan in the past too. A similar request came on 19 Feb 2019 too when he requested to allow him to fire a missile or two onto Pakistan as a face saving measure for him. Pakistan did not oblige the world power then and is definitely not in any mood to facilitate Modi jingoism at any cost this time either.
• Modi will not launch any air strike or ground attack but keep the tensions high for a prolonged period just as India did in 2001 standoff. These brainless Indians think that, given its struggling economy, Pakistan will not be able to sustain a continued higher state of alert of its armed forces for long. What these fools don’t realize is if Pakistan lowers down its guards after, say, a month or two, what India will get from that? A chance to launch a surprise strike? Yes, a strike but not the surprise one. Pakistan will be obliged to hit back hard even then. Pakistan will still strike back hard.
• Modi insanely decides and goes ahead with an air strike or ground invasion (on the LOC or international border). In this case it does not really matter if he tries to hit a symbolic or real target. That will certainly attract a disproportional response from Pakistan. The tension would go sky rocketing and the possibility of its spiraling up into a regular war will be very high. If international community fails in giving a strong shut-down call to Modi, the conflict may turn into a third world war or at least a global disaster after the use of at least a few nuclear weapons. Modi is certainly playing with fire and can make the future of humanity bleak in the all the possibility.

A good recap. IMHO a good deal depends on the real actors who control Modi and go by cold blooded calculations. And, they're none other than Parsi/Jain/Marwari Tycoons. And, they don't feel as secured as the common folks on the street....

 

[Oscar]

True…

Historically speaking that has always happened except in 2019 where PAF’s brilliant counter strike stunned India..

but also exposed a problem with Su30s ie thier Israeli ECM and Russian radar/ missiles .. they were literally sitting duck had PAF continued.. that was the reason they rushed to buy rafeles

Not anymore - they learned and the PAF learned - eventually its a sum situation of who learned more and applied it to progress more.

 

[Pradotlc]

Nah bhaee, relations took a U turn when the ayatollahs decided to export their revolution into Pakistan and openly sided with India...

That was icing on the cake

 

[Lulldapull]

China fought the might of US/UN forces to a standstill in Korea just a few years before '62...granted it was no super duper universe power like Iran, but militarily it was light years ahead of both India an Pakistan combined.

Oh bhai half a million Chinese were killed or wounded in Korean war. Stalin pushed them up like a bunch of peasants into the meat grinder. China was suffering from the cultural revolution. Totally closed society and they had nothing to offer to us in 1962.

Hum colored ghareeb log with tutti frutti angrezi and convent school dreams of Lundon kya kartay Chinese k saath? When we were getting weapons for free from US.

After Mao swallowed Aksai Chin and whatnot, Ayub got scared k kaheen hamara kashmir bhee na lay lay.......he did the right thing ceding that shaksgam or whatever it was called and delineated our border and signed a friendship treaty. You can barely breathe up at that high altitude minus 50 degC region anyway.

 

[PakAl]

Yep , most of them were military supporters before they took residence in imran's bund .

Don't want to change subject so last post on this. When I joined PDF all the young pdf members were blindly in love with military, the paaf saaf army and generals but we all wanted a clean party in power, when Pti and IK came people had hope, to build a strong Pakistan, a Pakistan with vision, young educated people, new faces, Pakistanis all uniting, but when that crashed down on our heads it's expected some people just lost it, the amount of force used on pti followers is certainly unacceptable. Pakistan rulers lost their narrative against pti and its followers, so had to resort to force to take control, break all laws to take control. I see it a sign of big weakness, if they were strong they would have contained PTI peaceful. We are lucky Pti are not HTS from Syria, our state would have faced a big backlash, in Algeria it lead to massive civil war.

Back to topic, look at india, their state is really strong, narrative, ideology is strong with RSS nazis in power, today with one militancy attack they all together to fight Pakistan whilst we faced 1000 bombings and can only make noise, for 20 years failed to deal with Baloch and kpk militancy, lost cpec and billions of foreign investments, all we can do is point fingers. Overall a big failure and so far we have not made any effective counter ideology to the militancy and separatists.

 

[Meengla]

Are you saying this is a false flag by Indians or that India bought Pakistani operatives?

It is possible that the Indian establishment may have been emboldened after seeing the Western response to Israel and decided now is the time to 'take' Azad Kashmir, but the global situation is not conducive to yet another war. I can't imagine either Trump or Putin giving support to such an Indian move. Even Netanyahu would want America to focus on Iran and Israel instead of getting distracted by Kashmir.

No, I don't know if this is False Flag or not. I am very careful about these things. The only conclusive False Flag I can think of is the so-called (and pointless) 'Parliament Attack' in New Delhi which I believe India staged shortly after 9/11 as an excuse launch the Operation Parakaram.
In this case, it makes absolutely no sense for the official Pakistan to have even indirectly supported an attack inside India. Contrary to what many believe--especially the Imrandoos, if you are Pakistani--Pakistan's political situation is stabilizing, Pakistan's economy is stabilizing, Pakistan's foreign relations are strenghtening. And so, with that kind of certainty, either rogue elements in Indian Occupied Kashmir or a False Flag by India. But either case, such an Indian over-reaction suggests some larger scheme. I don' t know. We will have to start connecting the dots now as the global geopolitical landscape is rapidly changing.
As for Putin, he has too much worry about. For Americans, they don't have the same clout over India and Pakistan but in case of Pakistan, yes, a couple of billions as incentive to accept some 'face saving' measure but even doubt that.
I also think there is an intense focus in Washington to isolate and contain China and Pakistan being China's strongest strategic partner and also a neighbor of Iran, makes Pakistan special again.
We need to start connecting dots in the rapidly changing geopolitical alignment. But I am hoping this tragic attack on the innocent was yet one more rogue act and not some larger plot.

 

[Jaeger]

India doesn't have the wherewithal to extract any cost from Pakistan , not even with the support of America if Americans choose to side with Indians

Perhaps you are not aware but cost is already being exacted.

Pakistan got Indus Water Treat due to Indian magnanimity.

It was the only treaty of its kind in the world between two adversarial nations, where an upper rippaerean nation voluntarily gave away 80 percent of water to a lower rippaerean nation, to which it has no obligations too.

India never broke or withdrew from the treaty even when Pakistani launched wars against India.

That has come to an end!

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Perhaps you are not aware but cost is already being exacted.

Pakistan got Indus Water Treat due to Indian magnanimity. It was the only treaty of its kind in the world between two adversarial nations.

India never broke or withdrew from the treaty even when Pakistani launched wars against India.

That has come to end!

Its Pakistan water under international law. Only thing treaty did was divide share of rivers. And allowed India to build dams. Based on basin land area each country got, end result is 79-21% in Pakistan favour.

India can shove IWT in Modi ass as long as Pakistan share of water isn't stopped or diverted.

 

[Jaeger]

World Leaders Dial PM Modi As Tensions Between India And Pakistan Escalate​

In the aftermath of the brutal Pahalgam terror attack, several world leaders have extended their condolences to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, strongly condemning the heinous act of terrorism.​

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• Apr 24, 2025 23:43 pm IST
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World leaders have extended their condolences to PM Modi regarding the Pulwama terror attack
In the aftermath of the brutal Pahalgam terror attack, several world leaders have extended their condolences to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, strongly condemning the heinous act of terrorism.

French President Emmanuel Macron was among the leaders who reached out to Mr Modi, expressing his personal condolences for the innocent lives lost in the attack. Macron's message of support and solidarity with the people of India underscored the global commitment to fighting terrorism. He said that this kind of barbarism is totally unacceptable, echoing the sentiments of the international community.
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"He strongly condemned the attack and expressed full support and solidarity with the people of India adding that this kind of barbarism is totally unacceptable," Randhir Jaiswal, spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also condemned the attack, describing it as an "Islamist terrorist attack in Kashmir." In his conversation with Mr Modi, Mr Netanyahu reaffirmed Israel's solidarity with India in the fight against terrorism.

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The two leaders discussed advancing the transportation and communications corridor linking Asia with Europe, via Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni similarly condemned the terror attack, conveying her thoughts and prayers for the victims and wishing a speedy recovery to those injured.

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"She conveyed her thoughts and prayers for the victims and wished a speedy recovery of those injured. She expressed full support of Italy in the fight against terrorism. PM Modi appreciated her call and the clear message of support against terrorism and those behind it. India and Italy will continue to work together including in international platforms to strengthen counter-terrorism efforts," stated the Ministry of External Affairs.

King Abdullah II of Jordan and Japanese Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba also reached out to Mr Modi, strongly condemning the terror attack. King Abdullah described the attack as a "ghastly terror attack" and emphasised that terrorism should be rejected in all its forms and manifestations, and there can be no justification.

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Mr Ishiba, in a statement, expressed Japan's resolute condemnation of terrorism, saying, "Terrorism cannot be justified for any reason. Japan strongly condemns all forms of terrorism.

He said, "I cannot help but feel great shock and anger regarding the large number of casualties caused by the terrorist attack carried out in Kashmir. I resolutely condemn such a vicious attack. On behalf of the Japanese government and people, I would like to extend my sincere condolences to those who lost their lives and their bereaved families, and express my heartfelt sympathy to those who were injured. I express my heartfelt solidarity to the people of India in the process of overcoming this difficult time. Terrorism cannot be justified for any reason. Japan strongly condemns all forms of terrorism. Japan is firmly committed to combating terrorism in cooperation with India and the international community," Ishiba had said in a statement on Wednesday."



The Pahalgam terror attack, which killed 26 civilians, mostly tourists, has sparked widespread outrage and condemnation.

It was the worst Jammu and Kashmir has seen in over six years, the worst since 40 soldiers were slaughtered in Pulwama district in February 2019.

The Indian government has vowed vengeance.

World Leaders Dial PM Modi As Tensions Between India And Pakistan Escalate

The Pahalgam terror attack, which killed 26 civilians, mostly tourists, has sparked widespread outrage and condemnation.

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[Meengla]

Who is the international community ? America?........ diplomatically, Pakistan is in a far more comfortable spot right now than it was during the last few decades......no one is going to ask Pakistan for any concessions.

I was thinking the same thing: What kind of 'concessions' left to give??? Entire Pakistani part of Kashmir? Give away Pakistan's water rights? Allow Indian submarines to station at the Karachi port? Sever ties with China?
There is nothing left to give anymore. Musharraf closed the active support of the Kashmiri fighters around 2004/5 and started the peace process with Manmohan Singh and for that he was TWICE targeted by Kashmiris and barely survived horrible suicide attacks on his life. Was 2004 that long ago for people to forget?? Why was he attacked except, in some circles, he gave away too much?
What if the REAL Indian desire since Modi came to power is an 'Akhand Bharat' [a united India with Pakistan and Bangladesh in its borders]? Have we not paid attention to the civilizational revisionism and revival in India in the last 3 decades to understand what's going on in India? Have we not studied how the Indians admire Israel for various reasons? What if this is a real War between Civilizations instead of conflicts over eating beef, or ancient mosques, or even water rights?

 

[Lulldapull]

Well I wouldn't expect an Iranian partisan to be impressed by Zia. You stay in the Mushrikiya camp and I will be happy in the wahabbiyat camp. Lakum Deenakum Walay yadeen...

BTW, terrorism wasn't a problem in Pakistan for 20 years after Zia's death until anther khooni liberal Mushy "how low should I lie down master Bush" poked the hornet's nest....

All of em after Ayub have been total fails!

They have destroyed our country and society.