Oscar
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آسانی سے نہیں جائے گی
Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates
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آسانی سے نہیں جائے گی
Sharma Ji
Elite Member
The truth is nobody really cares here. MSM and YouTube waalon ki fake outrage hai, ratings and subscriptions ka game they playing.
Some randos got shot up in Kashmir by terrorists ? Well colour me surprised
Gruesome, an event most tragic, people killed in cold blood.
Lacked the impact of a spectacular event in a major city. Now they all talking about the IWT, infra costs for which would be in the many billions of $, and which is at least a decade+ away, if they were to do it.
This one sure feels like it has mostly fizzled out.
Dalit
Elite Member
It also reveals that India isn't as almighty and independent as it always likes to portray itself. It still has to lobby and convince other nations.
Sharma Ji
Elite Member
you know it
Oscar
Moderator
Perhaps they don’t want senseless conflict
Aggregate
Registered Member
Given the amount of contempt Trump administration has for anyone other than the US and how they are bashing every big or mall country (even India on trade imbalances), Pakistan seems to be suspiciously immune until now, infact Pakistan is the the only country having been praised by Trump, somehow.
At the same time, the biggest surprise for me in all of this, is that India suddenly seems very handicapped diplomatically, this time. I fully expected them to have at least 70% of the world condemning Pakistan by name, the way India went on offensive. and mind you, as a Pakistani even I have always accepted India's diplomatic reach, there has never been a doubt about it. But for the first time India seems to be having a diplomatic failure given the way nobody's ready to even name Pakistan in any statement. Even in this rare case of Vance, he is not blaming Pakistan or its Govt as being involved, but very politely asking Pakistan to look into any terror groups that might be operating, and help India with it. That's as light a statement as one can give.
Even during early days of Pehalgam, I had to do google searches for BBC/CNN/WP/Arabnews articles about Pehelgam because they were all in corners below most of the other everyday news articles.
Either India has just overplayed the Pakistan card too much and everyone is fed up of it or maybe Pakistan might be more important to the world than we Pakistanis think we are lol.
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Jeremy
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There are some situations you don't know.
China and Pakistan are iron brothers.
The Chinese people will never forget that in 2008, when China was hit by the Wenchuan earthquake, the Pakistani brothers sent their reserve military tents.
All along, in China, from the elderly to the children, everyone believes that Pakistan is an iron brother. Every Chinese person who goes to Pakistan can feel the enthusiasm and friendliness of the Pakistani people. Then they convey this feeling to more Chinese people. The friendship between China and Pakistan has won the hearts of the people and has gone beyond national interests.
If Pakistan suffers a disaster, the Chinese people will feel it as if it were happening to themselves.
I don't know what the Chinese government will do. But I'm sure many Chinese people will offer help to Pakistan in various ways.
China also hopes to be good partners and good neighbors with India.
Now is not the era of war
Maarkhoor
Snake Eater
Failed Bollywood drama, they must hired Bollywood movie director to stage a false flag.
After 20 mins how can the file FIR and blaming Pakistan while Police and army arrived at the spot after 1 hour?
If you have time watch the video...same drama like before kill people all places from India to heat up situation so Modi's declining popularity rise again and he could win seats in Bihar election.
r3alist
Elite Member
Vance's wording is open ended
"To the extent Pakistan is responsible"
That could be zero
Or minor
"Cooperates with India "
So joint investigation.....? for sure doesn't sound like war.
What is he reading?
"To the extent Pakistan is responsible"
That could be zero
Or minor
"Cooperates with India "
So joint investigation.....? for sure doesn't sound like war.
What is he reading?
Oscar
Moderator
It is ALWAYS political for them - they understand that such psyops work.
Ironically what they are accusing Pakistanis of this time has not had the “impact” of such ideas as expected.
The only message has been “aja”
Fatman17
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The surge in tensions between India and Pakistan sparked by a deadly shooting in Indian-administered Kashmir last week has not so far sounded the global alarm it merits. The killing of 25 tourists and a resident in the disputed region was the worst terrorist attack on civilians in India since the 2008 Mumbai attacks that killed 166. New Delhi has linked the violence to Pakistan; Islamabad has denied any connection. The nuclear-armed neighbours are in a dangerous stand-off. India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, has given his army “operational freedom” to respond. Pakistan’s government claimed on Wednesday to have credible intelligence of an imminent Indian military strike.
The dispute over Kashmir, claimed by both India and Pakistan but divided between them, has already sparked three wars. A group said to be linked to the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group that seeks to reunify Kashmir — and was behind the 2008 Mumbai attacks — initially appeared to claim responsibility for last week’s massacre in Pahalgam but then said its social media had been hacked. Indian police have named two Pakistani nationals with alleged links to LeT and a Kashmiri as suspected gunmen.
Frictions have rapidly intensified. India downgraded diplomatic relations with Pakistan and suspended participation in a cross-border water treaty. The two sides have been exchanging gunfire across the de facto border in Kashmir.
The last time tensions flared in the region in 2019, when a suicide bomb killed 40 Indian paramilitary soldiers, the conflict was thankfully contained after tit-for-tat strikes. This time the environment is more combustible. The shooting is a blow to Modi’s narrative of normalisation in Kashmir, after he stripped India’s only Muslim-majority region in 2019 of its semi-autonomous status. His Hindu nationalism has become more entrenched and, after an election setback last year, the strongman leader may be tempted to use the crisis to rally support.
Amid domestic discontent and economic woes, Pakistan’s military will face pressure to respond forcefully to any Indian attack, risking an escalatory cycle. Islamabad also has ever closer ties with Beijing, with a leg of China’s Belt and Road Initiative running through Pakistan-administered Kashmir.
Credible mediators, meanwhile, are lacking. Though US secretary of state Marco Rubio urged both sides this week to de-escalate, diplomats feel America is not working the phones as intensively as it did in 2019.
India’s Modi can rightly argue that any leader’s first priority is to protect their citizens. The main opposition has urged him to act strongly to ensure those responsible for the shootings “pay the price”. But getting sucked into an escalatory war, when both sides have nuclear arms, serves no one’s best interest. The prime minister should permit an independent investigation of the attack or publish any credible proof of Pakistan’s involvement.
If New Delhi is determined to respond militarily, any strikes should be carefully calibrated. Targeting terrorist sites, rather than the Pakistani military itself, would send a robust message while still keeping off-ramps open. But as much as possible, New Delhi should explore non-military options. It is showing signs of doing so, suggesting it may oppose a $1.3bn IMF loan to Pakistan — though such loans should not become an instrument of political pressure.
International hopes a few years ago that the US and China could together play a more constructive diplomatic role in south Asia have come to little. It may fall largely to New Delhi and Islamabad to resolve the current clash without allowing it to spiral out of control. Diplomats see some signs, behind the martial public rhetoric, of a desire to do so. But the price of any miscalculation could be catastrophic.
The dispute over Kashmir, claimed by both India and Pakistan but divided between them, has already sparked three wars. A group said to be linked to the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group that seeks to reunify Kashmir — and was behind the 2008 Mumbai attacks — initially appeared to claim responsibility for last week’s massacre in Pahalgam but then said its social media had been hacked. Indian police have named two Pakistani nationals with alleged links to LeT and a Kashmiri as suspected gunmen.
Frictions have rapidly intensified. India downgraded diplomatic relations with Pakistan and suspended participation in a cross-border water treaty. The two sides have been exchanging gunfire across the de facto border in Kashmir.
The last time tensions flared in the region in 2019, when a suicide bomb killed 40 Indian paramilitary soldiers, the conflict was thankfully contained after tit-for-tat strikes. This time the environment is more combustible. The shooting is a blow to Modi’s narrative of normalisation in Kashmir, after he stripped India’s only Muslim-majority region in 2019 of its semi-autonomous status. His Hindu nationalism has become more entrenched and, after an election setback last year, the strongman leader may be tempted to use the crisis to rally support.
Amid domestic discontent and economic woes, Pakistan’s military will face pressure to respond forcefully to any Indian attack, risking an escalatory cycle. Islamabad also has ever closer ties with Beijing, with a leg of China’s Belt and Road Initiative running through Pakistan-administered Kashmir.
Credible mediators, meanwhile, are lacking. Though US secretary of state Marco Rubio urged both sides this week to de-escalate, diplomats feel America is not working the phones as intensively as it did in 2019.
India’s Modi can rightly argue that any leader’s first priority is to protect their citizens. The main opposition has urged him to act strongly to ensure those responsible for the shootings “pay the price”. But getting sucked into an escalatory war, when both sides have nuclear arms, serves no one’s best interest. The prime minister should permit an independent investigation of the attack or publish any credible proof of Pakistan’s involvement.
If New Delhi is determined to respond militarily, any strikes should be carefully calibrated. Targeting terrorist sites, rather than the Pakistani military itself, would send a robust message while still keeping off-ramps open. But as much as possible, New Delhi should explore non-military options. It is showing signs of doing so, suggesting it may oppose a $1.3bn IMF loan to Pakistan — though such loans should not become an instrument of political pressure.
International hopes a few years ago that the US and China could together play a more constructive diplomatic role in south Asia have come to little. It may fall largely to New Delhi and Islamabad to resolve the current clash without allowing it to spiral out of control. Diplomats see some signs, behind the martial public rhetoric, of a desire to do so. But the price of any miscalculation could be catastrophic.
mythbuster
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