Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Master Chief]

That isn't the Indian state's narrative, that is what some very far right folk say.

I could post countless molvis and other Pk folk spewing all manner of 'bagal me chhuri wala kafir, mushrik, evil fascist Hindu'. In fact, most recently, callsign Whiskey sb, your dear leader went that route with some "Hindu this that" bs

India's dharmi caste and brahmin hierarchy is another discussion, not relevant to here, but happy to discuss elsewhere.

Amit Shah repeatedly refers to this narrative. Deny it if you wish. His party keeps winning landslides so you are in the minority

 

[SteppeWolff]

There is nothing new about this happening. India has been doing this since last decades. I have been reading such news almost every year. Now its just in headlines because of the current ongoing issue. The only difference this time is that India did not give a notice, like they usually do. Earlier Pakistan used to get notices so we used to have plans ready on how to release our own reservoirs. This time it will be a little more complex to do it, but still, our needs can be met.

I completely disagree. The sudden drastic decrease from 35,000 cusecs to 3,100 cusecs (almost a 90% reduction) is not a routine water management decision; it’s a strategic action that raises the stakes of India’s manipulation of our water flow. The water scarcity in Punjab would have massive immediate consequences as its the breadbasked of Pakistan.

Earlier Pakistan used to get notices so we used to have plans ready on how to release our own reservoirs. This time it will be a little more complex to do it, but still, our needs can be met.

Yes, cause the IWT is no more. Indians have refused to cooperate on water and they want to destroy us. You are just downplaying it too much.

What we do need to worry about, is to build emergency reserves of water and Dams in the next 8 - 10 years ASAP, before India does and starts blocking more and more water. We need to be able to store enough water from our own ice/rainfalls to stop caring about inflow of water from India. We have already ignored it and we are also partially to blame for it. If we had enough reservoirs today, we would be worry free today. If we just keep crying about it until the next 8 years, it will be too late. We need to act immediately.

Again you are missing the urgency of the present moment. Pakistan’s water management has been suboptimal for decades. The real question is: why are we still relying on such a long term solution to a problem that is happening right now?
Relying solely on future infrastructure while India continues to take actions that disrupt current water flow is irresponsible. The country is facing a real and immediate water crisis that requires immediate diplomatic and operational responses, not just waiting for future infrastructure.

 

[Yasser76]

Military Action is A Certainty

Evergreen post as usual

 

[Master Chief]

I completely disagree. The sudden drastic decrease from 35,000 cusecs to 3,100 cusecs (almost a 90% reduction) is not a routine water management decision; it’s a strategic action that raises the stakes of India’s manipulation of our water flow. The water scarcity in Punjab would have massive immediate consequences as its the breadbasked of Pakistan.

Yes, cause the IWT is no more. Indians have refused to cooperate on water and they want to destroy us. You are just downplaying it too much.

Again you are missing the urgency of the present moment. Pakistan’s water management has been suboptimal for decades. The real question is: why are we still relying on such a long term solution to a problem that is happening right now?
Relying solely on future infrastructure while India continues to take actions that disrupt current water flow is irresponsible. The country is facing a real and immediate water crisis that requires immediate diplomatic and operational responses, not just waiting for future infrastructure.

The poster you are responding to is correct. Nevertheless, a military response to the suspension of the IWT is necessary regardless of how much water is actually stopped and when. I agree with your position on this.

 

[NA71]

Don’t you see where this is heading? Today, it’s “they can’t stop the water for long”; tomorrow, it’ll be “they can’t stop it for very long”.... and the day after, we’ll be saying “they’ve dried us out.” Maybe the damage seems minimal now, but their intent couldn’t be clearer. If we don’t act while we still can, they’ll expand their water storage and leave us with no leverage. Fooling ourselves with lines like “they can’t hold back enough water no matter how many dams they build” or “not for long” is exactly the narrative India wants us to settle into. That’s the new normal they’re quietly manufacturing..... one slow choke at a time.

It's true. Until it happened, Pakistan didn't take it seriously. Since 2014, Modi has threatened to start water wars. The Janab River has been dried up. The consequences will be enormous, and it will become a global issue.

India will also blow the Terbela or Mangla Dams if Pakistan decides to bomb the recently constructed Indian dams. What will happen next? Both nations cannot afford to be destroyed by nuclear means.

War will not solve this dilemma; it will be resolved nonetheless.

 

[Master Chief]

It's true. Until it happened, Pakistan didn't take it seriously. Since 2014, Modi has threatened to start water wars. The Janab River has been dried up. The consequences will be enormous, and it will become a global issue.

India will also blow the Terbela or Mangla Dams if Pakistan decides to bomb the recently constructed Indian dams. What will happen next? Both nations cannot afford to be destroyed by nuclear means.

War will not solve this dilemma; it will be resolved nonetheless.

Blow up their dam. Let them come.

 

[NA71]

Get to the table and talk....don't bomb or be bombed

 

[lightning f57]

THERE you did say WE

I dont think his Indian his a maga boy.

 

[Yasser76]

Get to the table and talk....don't bomb or be bombed

I think Pakistan has always been saying that

 

[Great Mal]

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Some heads should roll

 

[Anaa]

Get to the table and talk....don't bomb or be bombed

Or get to the table and figure out the artificiallity of the situation .

 

[NA71]

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Some heads should roll

Wrong claim...by another indian Maj....

 

[Yasser76]

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Some heads should roll

How do we know this is genuine?

 

[Areesh]

I have been listening to all sides on this issue of IWT for several days, including international experts and there is another perspective to this as well. First of all, even if India builds reservoirs to stop complete water from Pakistan, India can only ever block upto 35% of Pakistani water. As that much water originates and flows through India before adding into our own sources of water and ice. We get 65% of water form mountains, rainfall and snowfall within our own Northern Areas, or which originate too close to our borders to be blocked. But we have no capacity to store it and it just wastes away into the Ocean. Thus we keep relying on all year around natural flow of rivers to sustain our agriculture. Unlike many others including China who have built up capacities to store as much water as they can, from within their own territories, especially.

The water wars ARE going to happen. There is no way around it. Indian states are infighting for water already. Two years back, 3 of the Indian states had actual fights between their police forces at their borders, due to water sharing. So India will also have no choice but to do something about it.

I think its more important for us to build effective Dams on our side. If we do, we won't have to rely on India anyway. Our own Ice, rain and other sources will fill our reservoirs enough for our needs, by the time India finishes any projects on their side. For another 5 - 8 years we will really not face any meaningful issues from India on this matter, but if we ignore this now and do not start building Dams of our own, then yes ! We will ! So its also important for us to stop making this an issue of our ego.

Lets face the reality. We can either go to war with India so neither they, nor we store any water. Or we can also take responsibility for ourselves and start building as many dams to store enough of the water that originates within our borders and I hope our politicians and establishment are aware of this. If not then we also need to take responsibility and push our politicians to take responsibility and take care of this matter before India builds up their own reservoir capacities. China can easily help us o this matter and we can take care of it all.

Finally a good realistic post on this issue

 

[Great Mal]

Wrong claim...by another indian Maj....

You can’t blind eye everything this is hard evidence whether recent or old that intrusive actions have taken place inside military institutions