Indian Missiles and Guided Munitions

[Oscar]

I guess the long range Israeli AAM is still a pipe dream

 

[Pandora]

Why extend it from 160km to 200 when PL15E can only strike at 145km range? Looks like there was no lesson learnt.

 

[iblini]

The existing Astra Mk-1 (100 km range) achieved notable success during Operation Sindoor.

Stop writing all sorts of rubbish and actually working on deliver the real jet, not a single Tejas delivered in the past five years.

 

[Khanviletey]

Intercepting even a fraction of all is much better than being unable to intercept any.

With a bulistic missile it’s either a 100% intercept or none at all. Since the ones that get through maybe nuclear . This is why during the Cold War America focused on saturation attacks while ussr focused on a missile shield and went bankrupt

Kv

 

[CallSignMaverick]

With a bulistic missile it’s either a 100% intercept or none at all. Since the ones that get through maybe nuclear . This is why during the Cold War America focused on saturation attacks while ussr focused on a missile shield and went bankrupt

Kv

It depends on how many the opposite side fires. Having them is only a positive even if against saturation attacks as it degrades the amount of damage that can be caused.

 

[flyingorca]

Dont worry, when its time to use nukes Pakistan will use hypersonic missilea like Df17 which will dodge any indian BMD. If Iranian hypersonic can penetrate Israeli BMD then Indian BMD is nothing

 

[harpy1]

No you listen here....

As we saw what Iran did to the Zionist entity in April, the combined US/Zionist defence shield was sliced apart by Iran launching ballistic missiles with cluster bomblets.

HGV would be even more difficult to defend against.

You can spend the money in order to up your technology level but it will be pretty useless against a Pakistani missile attack using MIRV/HGV and cluster bomblets.

You can dress this up in any fashion you like
The cold hard reality is this during operation. Sindoor

Pakistan 9 terror camps where hit with precision
Two nights later 11 air bases where hit again
Your detection and interception rate is virtually zero or at best very very low
You have no strategic depth every thing you have is in range
Your military industrial complex is half or even less than half the size of Indian military industrial complex both in size and numbers and very much in easy reach
In contrast Indian air defense is much deeper in layers better integrated by satalites and radars and military industrial complex far bigger and far deeper in geographic depth
This is a fact and reality
Indian pockets financially are and will remain far bigger by multiple times.
For every missle you acquire whether defensive or attacking India has five
In basic terms in shooting war you will cannot win it's impossible
Your lack of geography
Lack of numbers of missiles
Fewer targets for India to hit
Means you lose punching war every time

 

[Khanviletey]

It depends on how many the opposite side fires. Having them is only a positive even if against saturation attacks as it degrades the amount of damage that can be caused.

Mutually assured destruction MAD doctrine is based on creditable deterrence. Pakistan like Russia and US has invested in Multiple Reentry Vehicle (MRV) tech from the beginning. Shaheen and Ghuri series have been capable of MRV since the late 90s. All the trials and tribulations, how jet veins melted and graphite veins were used all the stuff got us here. It was not easy!

This is why no sane country invests heavily in missile defence, they usually invest in offensive systems as most Anti Bulistic Missile Syetems (ABM) have one Achilles heel, they need two , three interceptors per warhead and they run out of amuniation and range very fast!

Case and point the US ran out of 75% of its high end ABM ammunition defending Israel in 12 days against Iran. Significant missiles got through!

Kv

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Mutually assured destruction MAD doctrine is based on creditable deterrence. Pakistan like Russia and US has invested in Multiple Reentry Vehicle (MRV) tech from the beginning. Shaheen and Ghuri series have been capable of MRV since the late 90s. All the trials and tribulations, how jet veins melted and graphite veins were used all the stuff got us here. It was not easy!

This is why no sane country invests heavily in missile defence, they usually invest in offensive systems as most Anti Bulistic Missile Syetems (ABM) have one Achilles heel, they need two , three interceptors per warhead and they run out of amuniation and range very fast!

Case and point the US ran out of 75% of its high end ABM ammunition defending Israel in 12 days against Iran. Significant missiles got through!

Kv

Iran spends a lot on IRBMs than it does on regular military. It fired hundreds upon hundreds on Israel, as their only offensive capability.

 

[harpy1]

This is why no sane country invests heavily in missile defence, they usually invest in offensive systems as most Anti Bulistic Missile Syetems (ABM) have one Achilles heel, they need two , three interceptors per warhead and they run out of amuniation and range very fast!

Case and point the US ran out of 75% of its high end ABM ammunition defending Israel in 12 days against Iran. Significant missiles got through!

Kv

That is most insane non sensical attitudes ever

Don't buy defensive missiles just offensive missiles
If that is the Pakistani doctrine how did that play out during Sindoor
In one hour 11 air bases hit with 40 cruise missiles and long range harpy drones

What was Pakistan offensive reply nothing ...zilch

In contrast Israel spent billions on iron dome and intercepted hundreds of drones and ballistic missiles virtually nothing got thru

All warships of the world IE USA china India with barak have ballistic and cruise missle defense
Your post makes no sense

What your really implying is most countries don't have funds to invest in missle defense so there doctrine is mutual destruction which is wrong will get annihilated anyway

The countries with missile defense build to win that is their attitude doctrine

 

[harpy1]

Stop writing all sorts of rubbish and actually working on deliver the real jet, not a single Tejas delivered in the past five years.

The Astra is designed to be used on
265 Su30mki
And the entire Tejas fleet
And future Amca fleets
So your comment about Tejas is irrelevant
Btw
You said deliver single Tejas
They have 40 in service mark on

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<p>Defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd is all set to roll out its first Light Combat Aircraft Mk1A from its Nashik (Ozar) facility this June. It had earlier set May deadline for the roll out of the fighter jets, but sources said, as reported by TOI, that timeline was postponed due to certain...

www.etnownews.com

 

[Khanviletey]

That is most insane non sensical attitudes ever

Don't buy defensive missiles just offensive missiles
If that is the Pakistani doctrine how did that play out during Sindoor
In one hour 11 air bases hit with 40 cruise missiles and long range harpy drones

What was Pakistan offensive reply nothing ...zilch

In contrast Israel spent billions on iron dome and intercepted hundreds of drones and ballistic missiles virtually nothing got thru

All warships of the world IE USA china India with barak have ballistic and cruise missle defense
Your post makes no sense

What your really implying is most countries don't have funds to invest in missle defense so there doctrine is mutual destruction which is wrong will get annihilated anyway

The countries with missile defense build to win that is their attitude doctrine

First let’s set the record straight, India had air defence yet by its own admission its airbases were hit and all of sudden the realiazation dawned on the Indian side that they have no more options, a small country like Pakistan has significant offensive punch with its low end missles and then they even knocked out the mighty s-400 with JF-17s and cm-400 AKG. They then ran begging to Washington for a surrender. If the Indians were winning why surrender ? Why is India so weak ? Why can’t it deter its papa Pakistan?

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The Israelis has the same experience they did not have crediable capability to take out Iran or deter them. There very expensive air defenses along with the entire US fleet and NATO fleet in the Middle East, Jordan , Egypt and more could not stop the Iranian onslaught. 12 days later after the failed American facesaving strike as admitted by their own experts a surrender and ceasefire was called. It was so bad that at recent congressional hearing the US had to increase funding for a missile defence arsenal that is super low at 25% and it will take 5 years to bring it up to 50%…..

Yes ABN systems are a waste of time and resources and hence guess what Pakistan is doing. Pakistan is focusing on heavy strike capability.

It’s increasing its non nuclear missile capability Fatah 4is a long range sub sonic cruise missile , it is raising a dedicated rocket force command and finally it is heavily invested in MALE Armed drone technology, Pakistan is atleast 30 years ahead of India in the armed drone space. It builds its own system and builds Turkish and Chinese armed drones under license. This would mean more of the air force would be available for air-strikes and air domance, while CAS, SEAD and S&D missions can be handed over to the over 100-150+ dedicated armed drones platforms.

It is quickly developing smaller squad size attack drones like Ukraine and India again has a supply problem as motors and magnets needed to build large quantities of drones come from China which the Chinese are restricting.

Please atleast make a real effort to showcase your points, it’s so topical.

KV

 

[iblini]

You can dress this up in any fashion you like
The cold hard reality is this during operation. Sindoor

Pakistan 9 terror camps where hit with precision
Two nights later 11 air bases where hit again
Your detection and interception rate is virtually zero or at best very very low
You have no strategic depth every thing you have is in range
Your military industrial complex is half or even less than half the size of Indian military industrial complex both in size and numbers and very much in easy reach
In contrast Indian air defense is much deeper in layers better integrated by satalites and radars and military industrial complex far bigger and far deeper in geographic depth
This is a fact and reality
Indian pockets financially are and will remain far bigger by multiple times.
For every missle you acquire whether defensive or attacking India has five
In basic terms in shooting war you will cannot win it's impossible
Your lack of geography
Lack of numbers of missiles
Fewer targets for India to hit
Means you lose punching war every time

 

[Hayabusa]

You can dress this up in any fashion you like
The cold hard reality is this during operation. Sindoor

Pakistan 9 terror camps where hit with precision
Two nights later 11 air bases where hit again
Your detection and interception rate is virtually zero or at best very very low
You have no strategic depth every thing you have is in range
Your military industrial complex is half or even less than half the size of Indian military industrial complex both in size and numbers and very much in easy reach
In contrast Indian air defense is much deeper in layers better integrated by satalites and radars and military industrial complex far bigger and far deeper in geographic depth
This is a fact and reality
Indian pockets financially are and will remain far bigger by multiple times.
For every missle you acquire whether defensive or attacking India has five
In basic terms in shooting war you will cannot win it's impossible
Your lack of geography
Lack of numbers of missiles
Fewer targets for India to hit
Means you lose punching war every time

All that chest thumping, yet you still agree to a ceasefire.

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Please keep the gorilla in you on BR or Reddit.

 

[Khanviletey]

You can dress this up in any fashion you like
The cold hard reality is this during operation. Sindoor

Pakistan 9 terror camps where hit with precision
Two nights later 11 air bases where hit again
Your detection and interception rate is virtually zero or at best very very low
You have no strategic depth every thing you have is in range
Your military industrial complex is half or even less than half the size of Indian military industrial complex both in size and numbers and very much in easy reach
In contrast Indian air defense is much deeper in layers better integrated by satalites and radars and military industrial complex far bigger and far deeper in geographic depth
This is a fact and reality
Indian pockets financially are and will remain far bigger by multiple times.
For every missle you acquire whether defensive or attacking India has five
In basic terms in shooting war you will cannot win it's impossible
Your lack of geography
Lack of numbers of missiles
Fewer targets for India to hit
Means you lose punching war every time

This is the worst type of Ganda … pure and utter BS propaganda!!!!

Again if India was winning why stop??? Why surrender ?

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KV