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Your country of residence shows you in the US. I'd be interested in what the area you live in is like. If it happens to be LA, San Francisco, or the NYC-Newark Metro area, that's ok. I've been to each a minimum of 50 times the past several years if not more.
 
Your country of residence shows you in the US. I'd be interested in what the area you live in is like. If it happens to be LA, San Francisco, or the NYC-Newark Metro area, that's ok. I've been to each a minimum of 50 times the past several years if not more.
Are you asking me (wasn’t sure, I don’t see a direct tag). If so, NYC. But I’ve lived in other parts of the country over the years, The Rust Belt and Appalachia mostly.

Yeah, if I only saw NYC, I would have the wrong impression about the US; Urban and decaying. But we also neglect a lot of the rest of the country.

Are you AZ currently? Must be great this time of year. We have a mild snow storm coming but I don’t mind that. Good to see some snow every year.

Btw, “country of residence”; I’m American. Grew up here. I’m on this forum and interested in Pakistan because it has great potential to live out / go through a similar enlightenment pathway. It’s a country founded by a lawyer not a military general and a blend of many peoples. It has the potential to be more than it seems.
 
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I visited South Asia last year. I visited Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and India ending with Maldives. Then 6 months later I visited China, far east Russia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Azeribaijan, Iran and Tajikistan.

I noticed one thing India´s infrastructure is beyond poor perhaps worst infrastructure and worse then mountainous Nepal. I was surprised by Bangladesh as having the best infrastructure in South Asia by a landslide most people have no idea how well Bangladesh is build.

Pakistan is second it has great roads and especially Islamabad is beautiful perhaps one of the most beautiful cities I have visited with the way nature and infrastructure is mixed.

But overall as soon as you enter from Indian border Pakistan surprises you it has good infrastructure in comparison. I was kind of surprised by even the tiny details such as the gas stations, motels, restuarants, large clean roads etc etc the Infrastructure is much better and everything was clean and people were extremely chill which adds to the beautiful nature and good infrastructure people arent in your face but they keep distance and just chill overall.

I was just like this guy when I entered Pakistan from India and the place I loved most was Baltistan it has many beautiful district and valley´s with gardens each one better then the other.

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This could be true, because India has overpopulation. India also has to maintain military parity with China and Pakistan. Hence the national budget goes into military.

In Economics it is "guns vs butter." India is spending a lot on military with its conflicts with China and Pakistan.

So India does not have the funds to spend on sanitation. lol.
 
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Combining cutting-edge technology with medical innovation, doctors used India’s first indigenous surgical tele-robotic system to successfully conduct two complex heart surgeries over a distance of 286 kilometres – the longest, physical separation so far achieved in India between a patient and the operating surgeon.

The surgical-robotic system, called the SSI Mantra, and developed by medical technology company, SSI Ltd, is the first-of-its-kind system in India. It conducted two surgeries on January 9 and 10 on two men, aged 59 and 56 respectively, with a team stationed at the SSI’s robotics control in Gurugram and another at the Manipal Hospital in Jaipur.

The first procedure was an internal mammary artery harvesting, which involves removing the artery for a coronary artery bypass grafting. The second was a total endoscopic coronary artery bypass, which is considered a complex cardiac surgery as the surgeon has to work on the artery while the heart is still beating.

Speaking to The Hindu about the surgeries, Dr. Lalitaditya Malik, cardiothoracic vascular surgery consultant at the Manipal Hospital in Jaipur, said his team of 10 medical staff and five from an Information Technology support team did mock drills for these operations for nearly a week every day before the actual procedures.

Less time, better precision​

“Latency time, ensuring good connectivity, anticipating and being prepared for medical and technical problems are the challenges associated with the procedure. The advantages include reduced time of operation, better precision, minimal operation trauma to the body in terms of incision, blood loss, recovery time and chances of infection,’’ he said.

The surgeries were successful because the underlying technology enabled a latency of 35-40 milliseconds (1/20th of a second), meaning that actions executed in Gurugram were almost instantaneously transmitted to the robotic surgical instruments in Jaipur. The patients have been discharged.

The surgeon involved, Sudhir Srivastava, founder of SS Innovations, and who specialises in robotic cardiac surgery, told The Hindu that MantraSync was a proprietary tele-surgical network module specifically designed to work seamlessly with the SSI Mantra surgical-robot system.

A research article published in the Journal of Robotic Surgery last November, describes the robotic system employed: “The dual console SSI Mantra Surgical Robotic System has two consoles: a master surgeon console situated at a remote location and a slave surgeon console located in an operation theatre. Both the surgeon consoles have a system controller, a pair of hand controllers, and various other control pedals/toggle switches etc. In an operation theatre, multiple patient-side arm carts are arranged around an operating table. Multiple robotic arms (each having a robotic surgical instrument) are mounted on the patient-side arm carts. One of the patient-side arm carts is equipped with an endoscopic camera. The dual consoles are connected via a transmission network. During the telesurgery, the system control is with the master surgeon console. The remote expert surgeon manoeuvres the hand controllers to perform specific surgical actions, and these action/control signals are transmitted to a network router via a network switch locally present near the master surgeon console. Then the control signals are sent over the chosen transmission network to the system controller of the slave surgeon console via a local network router. These action/control signals are then transmitted to the patient-side arm carts, present at the location of surgical site of the patient.”

Technology approved​

Based on these trials, the SSI technology had got regulatory approvals. “The technology has been approved by the Central Drugs Standard Control Organisation (CDSCO) in India under Class B and Class C surgical devices. These approvals affirm the safety, efficacy, and regulatory compliance of the system for use in hospitals across India,’’ said Dr. Srivastava.

He added that the development cost of MantraSync primarily involved software development for secure data transfer using Airtel’s existing fibre-optic network infrastructure. The implementation costs were limited to installing the SSI Mantra robotic system in a hospital and Airtel’s network infrastructure fees. Currently, three institutions are connected to the SSI’s headquarters in Gurugram via the MantraSync setup, allowing them to perform tele-surgeries under controlled conditions.

Stating that while the aim was to bridge geographical and infrastructural gaps in surgical care and make tele-surgery accessible on a global scale, Dr. Srivastava added that for the effective implementation of the technology in India, there should be good network with high-speed, low latency, robust training of medical staff and scalability for greater distances.


Expensive option​

Another challenge was that robotic surgeries were still expensive. “While technology is now well- developed and availability of trained surgeons too have improved considerably, it will seem that the adaption has been skewed to metros and tier-1 locations,” said Dilip Jose, Managing Director and CEO, Manipal Hospitals, “Higher costs – both capital as well as operating – would be a major factor in this, and it might still be a while before the option of robotic surgeries become commonly available in all parts of the country,’’ he said.

He added that once insurance covered more robotic procedures, it would be more affordable. Mr. Jose also noted that the training infrastructure had improved following an increase in installation of the robotic system.
Although I know we are enemies, congratulations, whatever is good for the benefit of humanity.
 
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Combining cutting-edge technology with medical innovation, doctors used India’s first indigenous surgical tele-robotic system to successfully conduct two complex heart surgeries over a distance of 286 kilometres – the longest, physical separation so far achieved in India between a patient and the operating surgeon.

The surgical-robotic system, called the SSI Mantra, and developed by medical technology company, SSI Ltd, is the first-of-its-kind system in India. It conducted two surgeries on January 9 and 10 on two men, aged 59 and 56 respectively, with a team stationed at the SSI’s robotics control in Gurugram and another at the Manipal Hospital in Jaipur.

The first procedure was an internal mammary artery harvesting, which involves removing the artery for a coronary artery bypass grafting. The second was a total endoscopic coronary artery bypass, which is considered a complex cardiac surgery as the surgeon has to work on the artery while the heart is still beating.

Speaking to The Hindu about the surgeries, Dr. Lalitaditya Malik, cardiothoracic vascular surgery consultant at the Manipal Hospital in Jaipur, said his team of 10 medical staff and five from an Information Technology support team did mock drills for these operations for nearly a week every day before the actual procedures.

Less time, better precision​

“Latency time, ensuring good connectivity, anticipating and being prepared for medical and technical problems are the challenges associated with the procedure. The advantages include reduced time of operation, better precision, minimal operation trauma to the body in terms of incision, blood loss, recovery time and chances of infection,’’ he said.

The surgeries were successful because the underlying technology enabled a latency of 35-40 milliseconds (1/20th of a second), meaning that actions executed in Gurugram were almost instantaneously transmitted to the robotic surgical instruments in Jaipur. The patients have been discharged.

The surgeon involved, Sudhir Srivastava, founder of SS Innovations, and who specialises in robotic cardiac surgery, told The Hindu that MantraSync was a proprietary tele-surgical network module specifically designed to work seamlessly with the SSI Mantra surgical-robot system.

A research article published in the Journal of Robotic Surgery last November, describes the robotic system employed: “The dual console SSI Mantra Surgical Robotic System has two consoles: a master surgeon console situated at a remote location and a slave surgeon console located in an operation theatre. Both the surgeon consoles have a system controller, a pair of hand controllers, and various other control pedals/toggle switches etc. In an operation theatre, multiple patient-side arm carts are arranged around an operating table. Multiple robotic arms (each having a robotic surgical instrument) are mounted on the patient-side arm carts. One of the patient-side arm carts is equipped with an endoscopic camera. The dual consoles are connected via a transmission network. During the telesurgery, the system control is with the master surgeon console. The remote expert surgeon manoeuvres the hand controllers to perform specific surgical actions, and these action/control signals are transmitted to a network router via a network switch locally present near the master surgeon console. Then the control signals are sent over the chosen transmission network to the system controller of the slave surgeon console via a local network router. These action/control signals are then transmitted to the patient-side arm carts, present at the location of surgical site of the patient.”

Technology approved​

Based on these trials, the SSI technology had got regulatory approvals. “The technology has been approved by the Central Drugs Standard Control Organisation (CDSCO) in India under Class B and Class C surgical devices. These approvals affirm the safety, efficacy, and regulatory compliance of the system for use in hospitals across India,’’ said Dr. Srivastava.

He added that the development cost of MantraSync primarily involved software development for secure data transfer using Airtel’s existing fibre-optic network infrastructure. The implementation costs were limited to installing the SSI Mantra robotic system in a hospital and Airtel’s network infrastructure fees. Currently, three institutions are connected to the SSI’s headquarters in Gurugram via the MantraSync setup, allowing them to perform tele-surgeries under controlled conditions.

Stating that while the aim was to bridge geographical and infrastructural gaps in surgical care and make tele-surgery accessible on a global scale, Dr. Srivastava added that for the effective implementation of the technology in India, there should be good network with high-speed, low latency, robust training of medical staff and scalability for greater distances.


Expensive option​

Another challenge was that robotic surgeries were still expensive. “While technology is now well- developed and availability of trained surgeons too have improved considerably, it will seem that the adaption has been skewed to metros and tier-1 locations,” said Dilip Jose, Managing Director and CEO, Manipal Hospitals, “Higher costs – both capital as well as operating – would be a major factor in this, and it might still be a while before the option of robotic surgeries become commonly available in all parts of the country,’’ he said.

He added that once insurance covered more robotic procedures, it would be more affordable. Mr. Jose also noted that the training infrastructure had improved following an increase in installation of the robotic system.
This is a marvelous achievement. But is it cost effective compared to a real surgeon going to places and doing surgery? India has an almost infinite pool of talented surgeons. With a transport plane or helicopter, a mobile surgical unit can visit a place and perform a bunch of surgeries.

BTW, if cardiac surgery can be done remotely today (with basically off the shelf technology), what a waste it is to send people to outer space and moon/Mars to do 'science'. What 'science' can they do that is more complex than cardiac surgery?
 
This could be true, because India has overpopulation. India also has to maintain military parity with China and Pakistan. Hence the national budget goes into military.

In Economics it is "guns vs butter." India is spending a lot on military with its conflicts with China and Pakistan.

So India does not have the funds to spend on sanitation. lol.
They spend a smaller part of their budget on the military. It’s more like they have a lot of layers of society that need to be supported to hold their country together, and it bogs them down. A massive population is a large part, but it’s about how unproductive that population is relative to the cost of supporting them. Have you noticed how intricate the programs for advancement are in India; the competition is fierce and the alternative is a life of subsistence farming.

The wealth inequality, low taxes on unproductive work, and low productivity is crippling India. In 20 years if this isn’t resolved India will be stuck this way due to demographics.
 
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Due to size, India’s and Pakistan’s spending is spread very thinly.

Bangladesh’s spending is most optimal for coverage.

Another 200 billion over this decade - it should look like east European level at least.
It may also be due to how each country prioritizes public spending. I think India spends a lot of money for higher education compared to other countries in the neighborhood. Maybe they are emphasizing higher education over physical infrastructure?
 
This is a marvelous achievement. But is it cost effective compared to a real surgeon going to places and doing surgery? India has an almost infinite pool of talented surgeons. With a transport plane or helicopter, a mobile surgical unit can visit a place and perform a bunch of surgeries.

BTW, if cardiac surgery can be done remotely today (with basically off the shelf technology), what a waste it is to send people to outer space and moon/Mars to do 'science'. What 'science' can they do that is more complex than cardiac surgery?
Which one has more bragging rights. Send man to space or doing remote surgery?
 
Which one has more bragging rights. Send man to space or doing remote surgery?
Sending robot to space to do science is a greater achievement. A dozen humans have walked over moon 60 years ago. We are yet to send an intelligent being as good or better than a human. That should be the challenge we should aspire if we want to 'go' to other planets etc.,
 
They spend a smaller part of their budget on the military. It’s more like they have a lot of layers of society that need to be supported to hold their country together, and it bogs them down. A massive population is a large part, but it’s about how unproductive that population is relative to the cost of supporting them. Have you noticed how intricate the programs for advancement are in India; the competition is fierce and the alternative is a life of subsistence farming.

The wealth inequality, low taxes on unproductive work, and low productivity is crippling India. In 20 years if this isn’t resolved India will be stuck this way due to demographics.
Thats where I agree with you.
Because of India's HUGE population, everything is very competitive in India like university admissions, jobs in medicine, law, engineering, etc. lol.

This is what I have heard.
 
Thats where I agree with you.
Because of India's HUGE population, everything is very competitive in India like university admissions, jobs in medicine, law, engineering, etc. lol.

This is what I have heard.
The other thing is they spend a good deal on social services, and their public gets some half decent services. Pakistan may have better sanitation, because Pakistan was ahead economically per capita for a while, but these indicators will only last so long, without Pakistan focusing on the economy with proper dedication. Our population is still growing, such that it will be nearly the same as the US population in generation.
 
The other thing is they spend a good deal on social services, and their public gets some half decent services. Pakistan may have better sanitation, because Pakistan was ahead economically per capita for a while, but these indicators will only last so long, without Pakistan focusing on the economy with proper dedication. Our population is still growing, such that it will be nearly the same as the US population in generation.
Yes we need to improve our economy, education, and standard of living.
 
Yes we need to improve our economy, education, and standard of living.
We have basic services were we lag behind; clean water and healthcare, such that 500,000 children under 5 die each year more than they would have if we were spending what was normal according to our GDP Per capita.
 
Investing in science is never a waste. It’s what drives progress and makes life better. Every big breakthrough we see today came from someone believing in science years ago.
 

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