India's 𝗞𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗶 𝗗𝗿𝘆 𝗘𝗻𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗛𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝟰𝟴.𝟱 𝗸𝗡 𝗶𝗻 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮

[r3alist]

The list is endless

The list is a questionable 5

Why do you need the validation

 

[Deino]

It is the exact class needed for stealth bomber drone GHATAK UCAV. India had no such capability before. Building the core technologies (high-temperature materials, compressors, turbines, digital controls) is the hard part. Thrust rating is the application, not the only measure of difficulty.

US, and France develop engines across multiple thrust classes. They do not only work on 150 kN machines and ignore everything else. Dismissing a 50 kN dry engine as “no achievement” simply because bigger ones exist is a weak deflection. Progress is progress.

Don’t make a fool of yourself like all those fake videos and don’t call the GHATAK UCAV a ‘stealth bomber’ – it’s embarrassing! It’s a small UCAV that isn’t even airworthy at the moment; that’s all it is, and you’d probably need two Kaveri engines just to operate it properly.

And yes, progress is progress – in that sense you’re right – but whilst all the other countries with which India is so fond of comparing itself and confidently placing itself on a par are already running, you’re still just crawling, yet you present this as if it were the very best thing in the world, and as if a world marathon record were then merely a matter of training,

 

[r3alist]

Derivatives are in backwardation ( if you don't understand financial jargons , it means they are at a discount) .

These guys are contango-ing perpetually, no matter present reality

 

[r3alist]

Don’t make a fool of yourself like all those fake videos and don’t call the GHATAK UCAV a ‘stealth bomber’ – it’s embarrassing! It’s a small UCAV that isn’t even airworthy at the moment; that’s all it is, and you’d probably need two Kaveri engines just to operate it properly.

And yes, progress is progress – in that sense you’re right – but whilst all the other countries with which India is so fond of comparing itself and confidently placing itself on a par are already running, you’re still just crawling, yet you present this as if it were the very best thing in the world, and as if a world marathon record were then merely a matter of training,

I wanted to say something like this, though it's much more credible coming from you.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Don’t make a fool of yourself like all those fake videos and don’t call the GHATAK UCAV a ‘stealth bomber’ – it’s embarrassing! It’s a small UCAV that isn’t even airworthy at the moment; that’s all it is, and you’d probably need two Kaveri engines just to operate it properly.

And yes, progress is progress – in that sense you’re right – but whilst all the other countries with which India is so fond of comparing itself and confidently placing itself on a par are already running, you’re still just crawling, yet you present this as if it were the very best thing in the world, and as if a world marathon record were then merely a matter of training,

Ghatak is a 15-ton stealth bomber UCAV capable of delivering munitions and firing air-to-air missiles. That is the platform.

The Kaveri dry engine has completed Russian flight trials and is in the formal certification process. Only five countries can design and produce a dry turbofan in this class. India is now the sixth.

The same technology base is being applied to the wet-thrust (afterburning) variant. Just as the dry engine has reached certification stage, the higher-thrust afterburning version is on track for certification within the next five to six years.

Dismissing a 15 ton stealth UCAV and an indigenous turbofan of this class as “still crawling” is the usual goalpost shift. Progress is sequential. India is building both the airframe and the engine. That is the reality.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

No it's not concrete, it's self certification, not actually inducted and operational

It doesn't remove the 4th and 5th gen bottle necks you have, which is far more important from a regional balance perspective, it's a linear step relative to your peers who are improving with a 30 year lead

Ok I can acknowledge this on face value as a step level in capability, on face value, in the narrow framing you ask.

It is not self-certification. The Kaveri dry engine completed high-altitude and flight trials on a Russian Il-76 testbed and exceeded its thrust target. CEMILAC certification is the formal Indian airworthiness process that follows external testing, the same sequence every country uses.

It has not been inducted yet. That is obvious. A certified engine ready for integration is still a concrete milestone, Only five countries in the world currently produce dry turbofan engines in this class. India is now the sixth.. Calling it non-existent because it is not yet operational is just moving the goalposts.

No one claimed it solves the 4th- and 5th-generation fighter engine bottleneck. That remains a separate, harder problem. A functional dry engine for stealth UCAVs is still a real addition to the force structure. Stealth Bombers are not irrelevant to regional balance.

Peers have a decades-long head start. That is not news. The point of sustained investment is closing the gap