Indus Water Treaty: Discussion, News & Updates

[hydrabadi_arab]

A Chenab diversion is not a 4–5 year project..... Even routine hydropower tunnels take years, a basin scale diversion across the Himalayas is a 15 to 20 years undertaking at minimum, and that too at exceptionally high costs..

And 1 MAF isn't something you "trim" with a tunnel... it would require massive, multi reservoir infrastructure that simply doesn't exist and won't appear overnight..

The real issue today is far more mundane and far more immediate... upstream control over flow timing through existing hydropower projects... That capability already exists and is the only lever that can realistically be expanded in the near term...

The tunnel India is planning is only 9km lenght. It can divert 2-4% of Chenab water. You would think Pakistan should do nothing but it will invite bigger disaster. India will not stop here so there are not many options left but all out war if they go ahead.

Stop and release water does not matter. Pakistan will have to build dams on Chenab river.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The tunnel India is planning is only 9km lenght. It can divert 2-4% of Chenab water. You would think Pakistan should do nothing but it will invite bigger disaster. India will not stop here so there are not many options left but all out war if they go ahead.

Stop and release water does not matter. Pakistan will have to build dams on Chenab river.

Which specific Chenab project are you referring to? A 9 km tunnel could apply to several hydropower schemes, but AFAIK none of them are designed for basin scale diversion or permanent reduction of river flow...

As for war, that's inevitable

 

[TumbaX]

A Chenab diversion is not a 4–5 year project..... Even routine hydropower tunnels take years, a basin scale diversion across the Himalayas is a 15 to 20 years undertaking at minimum, and that too at exceptionally high costs..

And 1 MAF isn't something you "trim" with a tunnel... it would require massive, multi reservoir infrastructure that simply doesn't exist and won't appear overnight..

The real issue today is far more mundane and far more immediate... upstream control over flow timing through existing hydropower projects... That capability already exists and is the only lever that can realistically be expanded in the near term...

The project will be done with in next 4 years and its not 1 MAF its 2 MAF

Chenab-Beas link tunnel: India's ₹2,600 crore project could reshape Indus water politics

India is accelerating the ₹2,600 crore Chenab-Beas river link project to boost hydropower and water security. The project could have major implications for the Indus Water Treaty and India-Pakistan relations.

www.wionews.com

IMHO its definitely more than 2 MAF may be 4 MAF

 

[pakistanitarzan]

I am gonna be very clear with you….
India has lost her patience on pakistan, and India dont need nukes to deal with pakistan as you can see from topic of this thread.

But if India gets a justification to use nukes there will not be a pakistan on global map and this is not my wishes this is Govt of India policy, you know majority of Indians were disappointed when ceasefire happened we wanted to continue till the very end View attachment 201494

Majority of them would still be disappointed had the cease fire not happened. Infact, after the last skirmish, many in Pak security circle are realizing that our conventional might is enough to deter India so yeah forget about the nukes but just incase there ever is nuclear war, none of India will be spared. When you test our resolve, we love death as much as you love life.

 

[drkrn86]

China Warns India of Consequences if India stops water to Pak | Victor Gao Exclusive​

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China has already made this warning to India last year. There is no doubt that India will feel the wrath of China.

Irrespective of their warnings, China will anyway build these dams.

 

[Cash gk]

Modi orders Indian officials to prevent water from entering Pakistan

Claim from Delhi comes a year after India announced that it will suspend decades-old river-sharing treaty with Pakistan

www.independent.co.uk

Asim's actions against Kashmiris worsened the situation for Pakistan. He removed their voting rights after they voted for PTI, effectively taking away their votes and causing hardship for the federation.

 

[IceCold]

Sub acha ha boot lickers ka lia. Waisa honestly Pakistanio ka illaj be ha because we never raise for our rights. What happens next, we as a nation are equally responsible.

 

[Sal12]

These boot lickers are happy as long as they see some action on border. They don't care election rigging, rule of law, corruption, prosperity etc. This is never their concern.

 

[Fatman17]

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[Fatman17]

These boot lickers are happy as long as they see some action on border. They don't care election rigging, rule of law, corruption, prosperity etc. This is never their concern.

Immunity. Above the Law

 

[M. Sarmad]

The project will be done with in next 4 years and its not 1 MAF its 2 MAF

Chenab-Beas link tunnel: India's ₹2,600 crore project could reshape Indus water politics

India is accelerating the ₹2,600 crore Chenab-Beas river link project to boost hydropower and water security. The project could have major implications for the Indus Water Treaty and India-Pakistan relations.

www.wionews.com

IMHO its definitely more than 2 MAF may be 4 MAF

Distinction between political rhetoric and hydrological reality matters here...

The proposed tunnel is a headwater diversion, not a main Chenab intervention. Even on optimistic numbers (~0.5–1 MAF), it’s marginal against a 25–30 MAF basin system...

It may slightly tweak early season snowmelt timing, but it does not touch the monsoon driven Kharif flows that actually define Pakistan’s water availability at Marala....

Pakistan's system isn't sitting exposed either.... it's heavily buffered through link canals, groundwater pumping, and rotational canal management. Small upstream shifts get absorbed, not transmitted as shortages...

For this to become strategically meaningful, you're talking about sustained multi MAF reductions in the April–June window backed by large storage and basin scale infrastructure across multiple tributaries.... That's not a tunnel, that's decades of hydrological re-engineering (which arguably is not going to happen without a nuclear catastrophe)

Politically, yes, both sides will spin it. But spin doesn’t change the basin maths....

However, this precedent of openly violating the IWT by India, by transferring western river tributary water to an eastern river, has symbolic value and significance if not operational.... This puts India as aggressor and plays well in Pakistan’s hands internationally as a victim of planned water aggression/terrorism by India....

 

[Waz]

China Warns India of Consequences if India stops water to Pak | Victor Gao Exclusive​

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China has already made this warning to India last year. There is no doubt that India will feel the wrath of China.

The only option that is being exercised is this, and it's happening.

If Pakistan bombs those dams it risks massive damage to it's own heartlands.
No point going to the ICJ about IWT, India refuses to engage, and they can't be forced to.
Start to build desalination plants around 1 in 4 people live near the sea, and damns.

 

[Master Chief]

Distinction between political rhetoric and hydrological reality matters here...

The proposed tunnel is a headwater diversion, not a main Chenab intervention. Even on optimistic numbers (~0.5–1 MAF), it’s marginal against a 25–30 MAF basin system...

It may slightly tweak early season snowmelt timing, but it does not touch the monsoon driven Kharif flows that actually define Pakistan’s water availability at Marala....

Pakistan's system isn't sitting exposed either.... it's heavily buffered through link canals, groundwater pumping, and rotational canal management. Small upstream shifts get absorbed, not transmitted as shortages...

For this to become strategically meaningful, you're talking about sustained multi MAF reductions in the April–June window backed by large storage and basin scale infrastructure across multiple tributaries.... That's not a tunnel, that's decades of hydrological re-engineering (which arguably is not going to happen without a nuclear catastrophe)

Politically, yes, both sides will spin it. But spin doesn’t change the basin maths....

However, this precedent of openly violating the IWT by India, by transferring western river tributary water to an eastern river, has symbolic value and significance if not operational.... This puts India as aggressor and plays well in Pakistan’s hands internationally as a victim of planned water aggression/terrorism by India....

Did you not know that all Indian members on PDF are qualified hydrologists?

 

[kmc_chacko]

Only if you bomb them in monsoon otherwise no chance of flood. Pakistan will get water from all 6 rivers without dams. That will be more then compensate for what ever tunnel they build which will not have much capacity unlike dams.

First option will be attack Indian dams and then prepare for all out war. Even nuclear one. Pakistan will have 2-3 years to prepare for that.

Bro, first understand purpose of a dam and then plan about bombing it.

PS : once Pakistan bomb Indian side dam, automatically Pakistan dams are also attract same fate.

 

[Dalit]

Bro, first understand purpose of a dam and then plan about bombing it.

PS : once Pakistan bomb Indian side dam, automatically Pakistan dams are also attract same fate.

Would be nice as that would give Pakistan a good excuse to nuke India back to the oblivion.