'Indus Water Treaty Not feasible to maintain': India serves notice to Pakistan, seeks Modification.

[Waz]

For those who are relying on China's intervention against India, hoping for punitive measures that would affect India's water resources, here are some important facts that might challenge your assumptions:

1. Brahmaputra River: Only 7% of the Brahmaputra's main stream flow originates from Tibet, where China could potentially build dams. If we include all the northern tributaries, this figure increases to 30%. However, the Brahmaputra has over 20 significant northern tributaries and hundreds of smaller feeders, making China’s overall capacity to influence the river’s flow minimal in comparison to its scale.
2. Ganga River: The Ganga originates entirely within India's borders, and the majority of its tributaries also lie within India or Nepal. China's potential influence over this river system is negligible.
3. Sutlej River: While Tibet does contribute some non-monsoon glacial flow to the Sutlej, the bulk of its water comes from monsoon rains within India, limiting the degree to which China can alter its flow.

In short, China’s ability to significantly impact India’s water resources is much lower than some might believe, especially when compared to India's capacity to respond to potential challenges from its western neighbor.

No one needs to wait, China will act swiftly and with extreme if your sanghi government decides to play water wars.

Hydrological investigations in the Brahmaputra basin are scarce, but in the upper Brahmaputra basin (3% GC), melt runoff was 25% (9% glacier and 16% snow melts) and river runoff was also dominated by other runoff of 75% (rainfall runoff, 59%; base flow, 16%)

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf3668

The origin of the Ganga means little as the flow is nothing from it. The major tributaries come from Tibet. 718 billion cubic meters of surface water flows out of the Tibetan plateau and the Chinese-administered regions of Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia to neighbouring countries each year.
Nearly half that water, 48%, runs directly into India.

India-China relations and the geopolitics of water | Lowy Institute

Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.

www.lowyinstitute.org

More on the Ganges;

In the upper Ganges basin (5% GC), combined snow and ice melt represented 20% of total runoff, with rainfall and base flow contributions of 66% and 14%, respectively, over 1998–2007 (4). In the Dudh Koshi basin (14% GC, Everest region in central Himalaya), melt runoff was estimated as 34% (5% glacier and 29% snow melts) over 1986–1997 with a T-index model (92). However, upstream in the same basin (43% GC), the melt runoff was 87%, with a very high glacier melt contribution of 46% over 2012–2015 using a SEB model (99). (4).
The Langtang watershed (Ganges basin, central Himalaya) is well studied using different models and provides an opportunity to compare results from different studies. Large differences in runoff composition, with melt runoff varying from 33% to 92% for almost the same watershed outlet, were observed from different studies (Fig. 1A and Table 2). This inconsistency could be due in part to different time periods, model structures, or glacier coverage (34 to 46%) of the various studies.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf3668

Your point about the river Sultej is an outright lie.

The Satluj river discharge, amounting to ∼59% of annual flow, comes from snow/glacier melt, and the remainder from summer monsoon rainfall (Singh and Jain, 2002).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1040618213001572#:~:text=The%20Satluj%20river%20discharge%2C%20amounting,Singh%20and%20Jain%2C%202002).

Sure you can damage Pakistan like I posted before, but what China will do to you thereafter is the stuff of nightmares.
You have a far higher population density, more people and yet have a similar water scarcity to Pakistan.

 

[Waz]

Changes to IWT won't bring Pakistan to its knees. It makes Pak vulnerable.
If any one us yo blame, its your nation inaction and delays over last 7 decades.

We passed the phase where we bothered by your presence, forget about your threats.

I personally wish no relations (good or bad) with Pakistan in what so ever form.
For the current government Pakistan is
non existent issue.

Ground realities have changed.

Doesn't matter what it does, it's what happens to you guys next you should be worried about.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

No one needs to wait, China will act swiftly and with extreme if your sanghi government decides to play water wars.

Hydrological investigations in the Brahmaputra basin are scarce, but in the upper Brahmaputra basin (3% GC), melt runoff was 25% (9% glacier and 16% snow melts) and river runoff was also dominated by other runoff of 75% (rainfall runoff, 59%; base flow, 16%)

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf3668

The origin of the Ganga means little as the flow is nothing from it. The major tributaries come from Tibet. 718 billion cubic meters of surface water flows out of the Tibetan plateau and the Chinese-administered regions of Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia to neighbouring countries each year.
Nearly half that water, 48%, runs directly into India.

India-China relations and the geopolitics of water | Lowy Institute

Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.

www.lowyinstitute.org

More on the Ganges;

In the upper Ganges basin (5% GC), combined snow and ice melt represented 20% of total runoff, with rainfall and base flow contributions of 66% and 14%, respectively, over 1998–2007 (4). In the Dudh Koshi basin (14% GC, Everest region in central Himalaya), melt runoff was estimated as 34% (5% glacier and 29% snow melts) over 1986–1997 with a T-index model (92). However, upstream in the same basin (43% GC), the melt runoff was 87%, with a very high glacier melt contribution of 46% over 2012–2015 using a SEB model (99). (4).
The Langtang watershed (Ganges basin, central Himalaya) is well studied using different models and provides an opportunity to compare results from different studies. Large differences in runoff composition, with melt runoff varying from 33% to 92% for almost the same watershed outlet, were observed from different studies (Fig. 1A and Table 2). This inconsistency could be due in part to different time periods, model structures, or glacier coverage (34 to 46%) of the various studies.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf3668

Your point about the river Sultej is an outright lie.

The Satluj river discharge, amounting to ∼59% of annual flow, comes from snow/glacier melt, and the remainder from summer monsoon rainfall (Singh and Jain, 2002).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1040618213001572#:~:text=The%20Satluj%20river%20discharge%2C%20amounting,Singh%20and%20Jain%2C%202002).

Sure you can damage Pakistan like I posted before, but what China will do to you thereafter is the stuff of nightmares.
You have a far higher population density, more people and yet have a similar water scarcity to Pakistan.

I still don’t quite understand— is it even possible to restrict the flow of water from Tibet into Bihar and the Northeast? India is struggling to manage floods in these regions, which are extremely water-surplus zones. The rivers There are so vast they resemble seas, and when they overflow, they wipe out entire villages and towns.

 

[Waz]

I still don’t quite understand— is it even possible to restrict the flow of water from Tibet into Bihar and the Northeast? India is struggling to manage floods in these regions, which are extremely water-surplus zones. The rivers There are so vast they resemble seas, and when they overflow, they wipe out entire villages and towns.

You get them from rain as well, it's not just the river.

But anyway, leaving my responses to those who wish to kill Pakistan. Sharing water shows other countries you are mature and they act accordingly.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

You get them from rain as well, it's not just the river.

But anyway, leaving my responses to those who wish to kill Pakistan. Sharing water shows other countries you are mature and they act accordingly.

Watch this video—Bihar state government is working on a project called the Ganga Water Lift Project, which aims to pump water from the Ganga in Patna to Rajgir in South Bihar. Massive water pumps are being installed for this purpose. It really does seem like playing god.

 

[drkrn86]

Doesn't matter what it does, it's what happens to you guys next you should be worried about.

Let us take care about that part.

 

[drkrn86]

I still don’t quite understand— is it even possible to restrict the flow of water from Tibet into Bihar and the Northeast? India is struggling to manage floods in these regions, which are extremely water-surplus zones. The rivers There are so vast they resemble seas, and when they overflow, they wipe out entire villages and towns.

Not so much of water surplus.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It is useless to abrogate the treaty. The Indus river water cannot be transferred to other Indian states easily, will take an engineering marvel worth tens of billions of dollars to do it. Rajasthan and to some extent Northern Gujarat are the only water stressed regions in India and they are far away from the Indus river. As another poster said, easier to build multiple desalination plants.

India should start work on the Kalpasar project, we’ll have more then enough water than we need.

Kalpasar Project - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This threat to alter or modify the procedures is just some spiteful actions to signal their dislike of Pakistan. Difficult to see anything reasonable about it.

 

[Saudang]

Sure you can damage Pakistan like I posted before, but what China will do to you thereafter is the stuff of nightmares.

Where is the assurance coming from? Pakistan is not yet a Chinese province. Or have you guys already mentally surrendered to assume that China will come to your rescue?

 

[Saudang]

Hydrological investigations in the Brahmaputra basin are scarce, but in the upper Brahmaputra basin (3% GC), melt runoff was 25% (9% glacier and 16% snow melts) and river runoff was also dominated by other runoff of 75% (rainfall runoff, 59%; base flow, 16%)

The average discharge of the Brahmaputra is about ~22,000 m3/s (780,000 cu ft/s), and floods reach about 103,000 m3/s (3,600,000 cu ft/s), at a point near Guwahati in Assam. the higest dischare during the dry months at the point of entry into india is 25% and yearly average is 7%..

Brahmaputra River System | Water Resources | Government Of Assam, India

waterresources.assam.gov.in

Seven centuries of reconstructed Brahmaputra River discharge demonstrate underestimated high discharge and flood hazard frequency - Nature Communications

This study investigates flood hazards of the Brahmaputra River, Bangladesh. Based on a tree ring reconstruction of seasonal river discharge, climate modelling, and historic documentation of flood events, the authors suggest flood hazard risk is underestimated by ~24–38% in the present day...

www.nature.com

 

[Saudang]

The origin of the Ganga means little as the flow is nothing from it. The major tributaries come from Tibet. 718 billion cubic meters of surface water flows out of the Tibetan plateau and the Chinese-administered regions of Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia to neighbouring countries each year.
Nearly half that water, 48%, runs directly into India.

again you are confused. this number includes 5 major rivers in India and another three in SE asia - Irawati, Mekong and one more that i dont remember.. the combined discharge of Ganga and Bramhaputra is 1.4 trillion cubic meters when it exits India into Banglades. I am not even counting Mekong, Irawati or Salween.. so your assumption is way off

 

[Guru Dutt]

Did you tell them to vacate all the land they took as well?

well we are not like Pakistanies that keep grumping like some jilltted phuppoo when things dont work according to her "plans"

we keep doing owr job reletlessly and now even china knows they cannot deal with India like they try to deal with phillipines or Taiwan but OK mods sirji you can keep mocking Indian foriegn and defnce policy cause we are so called "aaszzhlee Dukhman mulk"

 

[Areesh]

There are exceptions, I just read a brilliant detailed post some posts back.

Yeah there would be a few exceptions in a country of 150 crore population

Majority have this fetish to act like an Israel while treating Pakistan like Gaza

Only thing is that in reality neither India is Israel nor Pakistan is Gaza

 

[Waz]

Where is the assurance coming from? Pakistan is not yet a Chinese province. Or have you guys already mentally surrendered to assume that China will come to your rescue?

You didn't see the news a few year back when your government started farting about the treaty did you? China made it clear what it would do to you, you guys piped down.
No one has surrendered anything, just giving you the facts dear boy.

 

[Waz]

The average discharge of the Brahmaputra is about ~22,000 m3/s (780,000 cu ft/s), and floods reach about 103,000 m3/s (3,600,000 cu ft/s), at a point near Guwahati in Assam. the higest dischare during the dry months at the point of entry into india is 25% and yearly average is 7%..

Brahmaputra River System | Water Resources | Government Of Assam, India

waterresources.assam.gov.in

Seven centuries of reconstructed Brahmaputra River discharge demonstrate underestimated high discharge and flood hazard frequency - Nature Communications

This study investigates flood hazards of the Brahmaputra River, Bangladesh. Based on a tree ring reconstruction of seasonal river discharge, climate modelling, and historic documentation of flood events, the authors suggest flood hazard risk is underestimated by ~24–38% in the present day...

www.nature.com

Where did you get the 7% yearly average? The 25% figure is mentioned in the text.