Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

تفاهم‌نامه‌ای که امضا شد حاصل خرد جمعی اعضای شعام بود و همه اعضا با آن همدل‌اند. باور دارم این تفاهم‌نامه مرکز ثقل روابط خارجی ما در آینده خواهد بود. باید بکوشیم دشمن را وادار کنیم به آنچه امضا کرده پایبند بماند. امنیت کشور، منطقه و هم‌پیمانان ما با این تفاهم‌نامه ارتقا می‌یابد.

simple , he said we should force the enemy to honor MOU ...

The Iranian people are stupid for voting for a former doctor to lead geopolitics.

Putin: former KGB officer, decades of experience

Xi: father was once close to Mao, Xi was a prince-ling and spent his career working his way up the governmental office ladder starting in the provinces and improving their governance and gaining clout within the party.

Meanwhile in Iran: Let’s bring in a doctor who has never fought for his country or held office.

And let his “boss” be a man (Mojtaba) who is unremarkable and despite having his whole family killed, he still wants to make peace with America .

As I said, Iran is ruled by fools. These guys are just a foolish as Reza Phalavi. It seems the average Iranian cannot elect a strong leader. The revolutionary flame is all but burned out in this society. Iran is headed to being a Euro Trash society like France and England is today — former shells of their superpower status.

 

[Immortals]

A. Nukes ARE haram

No they are not. You know nothing:

The use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations may be haram. But the storage of nuclear weapons is not Haram. And the use of nuclear weapons on legitimate military targets is not haram. The use of nuclear weapons to protect Muslims from genocide is not haram.

Get out of here with your diluted thinking. The individual who wrote that fatwa is dead alongside 95% of his family tree, while thousands have died due to his attempt to buy himself into heaven.

 

[BigMela2onin]

A. Nukes ARE haram
B. The U.S would justify the use of Nuclear weapons if Iran were to pursue the production of Nuclear weapons.

Ridiculous notion from the mouth of a jew

 

[ShapurII]

Ridiculous notion from the mouth of a jew

These people, and that other person who has been temporarily banned for consistently attacking others like me, are most likely Hasbara trolls disguising themselves as IR-supporters.

Any person with a functioning brain knows that Iran must produce nuclear weapons to survive. The current situation is unbearable and will one way or another lead to Iran's unconditional surrender in the long run, which is exactly what Trump has been planning for.

There's no such thing as a "haram" weapon in Islam. Any person that says so is completely retarded. If anything, Islam has obligated Muslims to pursue the strongest means of defending themselves militarily.

 

[ShapurII]

As I said, Iran is ruled by fools. These guys are just a foolish as Reza Phalavi. It seems the average Iranian cannot elect a strong leader. The revolutionary flame is all but burned out in this society. Iran is headed to being a Euro Trash society like France and England is today — former shells of their superpower status.

That's what I told you before the war. Unfortunately, Iran will not become a Euro-trash society in the sense that it will be at least relatively prosperous with a strong currency and a strong passport while sucking up to the world powers. Iran will turn into a failed state Euro-trash country soon. At best, we will be another failed state like Belarus or post-war Ukraine, but I think we're heading towards even worse, like Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Of course because attacking Israel, is attacking America.

Iran’s strategy was never a direct war with Israel it was a suffocation strategy. The goal was to build a ring of fire around Israel until Israel implodes from its social demographic issues and America loses its superpower status under its massive debt burden and a rising China. It was a game of patience.

The ring of fire compromised of Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad, Iraq, Yemen and as a future project Jordan.

However, Israel got a gift from Hamas who went suicidal and destroyed themselves in Oct 2023. Assad couldn’t reunify the country and neither Russia nor Iran had tens of billions of dollars to prop him up under brutal Western sanctions, so Syria fell under economy collapse same way Venezuela did. The military and officials turned on their leader and stopped fighting.

Right then and there the ring of strategy fell apart as Israel poked a hole in two fronts and went on the counter offensive. The rest is history and doesn’t need explaining.

But Iran at one point was patrolling the Golan heights and the Lebanon/Israel border. So it’s impressive a country that nearly 1800KM away was able to patrol Israel’s borders. Can Saudi Arabia say that? Can Qatar say that? Can Turkey say that? Can Pakistan say that? No. Not even Saddam (the strongest Arab leader in recent history) could say that.



Neither Pakistan or Turkey would attack, both have serious issues in being in a sustained war. U.S. prevented an LNG tanker from going to Pakistan. What did Pakistan do about it? Nothing.

Do we really think Pakistan is going to war with Israel when it has to borrow money from IMF and Arab countries just to survive? Do we think Erodgan of Turkey is going to go to war with Israel when the Turkish Lira has lost 99% of its value against the dollar? When they have had to sell tons of gold on open market to keep the economy alive?

Neither Turkey nor Pakistan has the war chest or energy independence for such a move.

You can point to your fighter jets and your missiles and your fancy weaponary, but none of that matters if you don’t have money and energy to feed your war machine. War runs on molecules and gold, not weapons. Before the war, Putin had amassed a war chest of nearly 500B dollars. Russia can feed its war machine with its own oil and natural gas. That is why Russia is able to fight indefinitely.

Pakistan and Turkey have neither of these. And in case of Iran it may have the energy independence to supply its war machine, but lacks the needed war chest for a sustained conflict.

Needless assessment.
It will take decades for America to position enough resources in region to contain Pakistan and still Pakistan has the option to take down everything in case its existence is threatened.

When Pakistan tested nukes, US sanctioned us severely but Saudi Arabia was there to support us.Pakistan was already under multiple sanctions from the beginning of 1990s like no more loans from IMF/World Bank, Trade credits gone, No more American weapons, Pakistan not only survived but still declared itself a Nuclear Power instead of surrendering nukes.

If Pakistan can go to this length just for the sake of declaring its Nuclear Status, Pakistan can go to any length for protecting its very existence .

 

[Shags101]

A. Nukes ARE haram
B. The U.S would justify the use of Nuclear weapons if Iran were to pursue the production of Nuclear weapons.

Having them and using them I guess are two different things I would advocate all Middle East nations capable of developing them to develop them Saudi Arabia turkey Iran and Egypt….shhuusssh I definitely wouldn’t trust UAE with it but if these countries have it or a couple of them watch how fast the world will try to impose a nuclear free Middle East including Israel with round the clock check no one tries to bring them back.

I highly doubt if Iran did go nuclear America would attempt to stage an invasion to stop them nor would they attempt to destroy Iran ever again Trump is almost out of here and whatever comes next after him inshallah will be far saner

 

[Shags101]

No they are not. You know nothing:

The use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations may be haram. But the storage of nuclear weapons is not Haram. And the use of nuclear weapons on legitimate military targets is not haram. The use of nuclear weapons to protect Muslims from genocide is not haram.

Get out of here with your diluted thinking. The individual who wrote that fatwa is dead alongside 95% of his family tree, while thousands have died due to his attempt to buy himself into heaven.

You don’t have to call him stupid he just stated an opinion but I agree with you yes use on civilian areas is haram but it’s a nuke it’s going to kill plenty of civilians directly or indirectly that’s kind of the point of nuclear weapons mass destruction