Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[r3alist]

My personal opinion why Israel is untouched right now is because Israel can do allot of damage to Iran if Iran attacks them. So Iran is avoiding prodding that hornets nest at the moment. I think they are working on softening up the US bases in the GCC countries preparing for an eventual war with Israel after the mid-terms.

If you weaken GCC and Jordan bases it will make it easier to hit Israel later as these countries form a US ABM shield. This will also make Israel wary when they attack so it provides abit more deterrence.

That's clutching at straws

It seems like Arabs are a greater target than the nation that did Gaza

Ok the Arabs hosted us bases, but why is that the biggest ultimate crime relative to Israel

It's no longer obviously adding up

Because Israel is GAINING territory of Arabs

 

[Garcia Sea]

Unfortunately, the collapse of Iran is fast approaching. Trade with China has been severed by a naval blockade, and—perceiving Iran’s weakness—Iraq, Pakistan, and Turkey have sealed their borders, leaving Iran completely encircled. It faces a plight as dire as that of Iraq during the Gulf War. Meanwhile, the IRGC allows Arab vessels to pass unhindered even as Iran’s 90 million citizens are driven to the brink of destitution and starvation; they are effectively permitting only the Iranian people to starve. This represents a total political defeat. Iran is left with only two options: unconditional surrender and ceding its territory to Trump, or steeling itself for all out war. Rejecting both paths amounts to nothing more than a slow suicide. Restraint has led to the worst possible outcome. Even Iraq, once its sole Shiite ally is now intent on destroying Iran.

 

[Professor Jiang]

Well I didn't ask rocket science

I asked what's Irans aims and goals now

And what about Israel as an illegitimate state?

"What's Iran's aims and goals now", asked and answered for the millionth time in this thread.

 

[Zhuge Liang]

President Trump: "Iran has very stupid leaders, unlike the United States. Like, we have the best leaders, we always did, and I am the best of them all".

 

[lightning f57]

That's clutching at straws

It seems like Arabs are a greater target than the nation that did Gaza

Ok the Arabs hosted us bases, but why is that the biggest ultimate crime relative to Israel

It's no longer obviously adding up

Because Israel is GAINING territory of Arabs

Bro hows it clutching at straws, tell me where what I wrote is illogical?

Israel gaining arab territory has nothing to do with Iran hitting Israel or visa versa.

GCC countries hosting US bases close to Iran are easier to hit than Israel which is further out.

To add: Israel is not attacking Iran right now, or their territory being used to launch attacks so it makes no sense for Iran to hit them.

 

[retaxis]

"What's Iran's aims and goals now", asked and answered for the millionth time in this thread.

Irans goals is simple, lifting of all sanctions and prosperity into the future.

To do that they need to sign a deal with a government they can trust (democrats)

so they can only wait it out and do tick for tack reprisal attacks until that happens. They have no reason to escalate anything if they want a deal in 2 years that suits them best.

 

[Shags202]

@Persian Gulf
@Shags202

I think it’s going to be heavier than the last round

 

[r3alist]

Bro hows it clutching at straws, tell me where what I wrote is illogical?

Israel gaining arab territory has nothing to do with Iran hitting Israel or visa versa.

GCC countries hosting US bases close to Iran are easier to hit than Israel which is further out.

To add: Israel is not attacking Iran right now, or their territory being used to launch attacks so it makes no sense for Iran to hit them.

Can we match Irans aims during the war as a fight for Gaza, Lebanon and injustice against the occupier state to where we are now, has it changed and


Sorry I just want to check are we switching up from fighting for injustice and illegal occupation to self interested geopolitics aimed at regional domination, please sir that's the only clarification I seek


Remember Pakistan is pretty much smack in the middle, it never attacked Yemen before despite pressure, never let Iran be harmed from Pakistan and similarly does not want to see chaos in Saudi, therefore Iran is not immune to legitimate push back

 

[lightning f57]

Sorry I just want to check are we switching up from fighting for injustice and illegal occupation to self interested geopolitics aimed at regional domination, please sir that's the only clarification I seek

Only the Iranian state can answer that question on injustice. They are saying US needs implement MOU which includes Lebanon and they are saying Gaza ceasefire too.

From where I sit its probably a mix of all that, but their main aim right now is survival, with a zionist president in power in US for another 2 years, to survive Iran will do things which many people and countries will not like.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Sorry I just want to check are we switching up from fighting for injustice and illegal occupation to self interested geopolitics aimed at regional domination

aimed at survival after being savagely attacked twice in two years by two nuclear powers including the world's sole superpower when they both talk about ending the Iranian civilisation and bringing Iranians to the brink of starvation.

Iran still supports its allies in the Axis of Resistance, but does not fight Israel on their behalf, and never promised to do so, not least because Israel is 1500km away from Iran.

You are now spamming with this topic, move on, final warning.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Unfortunately, the collapse of Iran is fast approaching. Trade with China has been severed by a naval blockade, and—perceiving Iran’s weakness—Iraq, Pakistan, and Turkey have sealed their borders, leaving Iran completely encircled. It faces a plight as dire as that of Iraq during the Gulf War. Meanwhile, the IRGC allows Arab vessels to pass unhindered even as Iran’s 90 million citizens are driven to the brink of destitution and starvation; they are effectively permitting only the Iranian people to starve. This represents a total political defeat. Iran is left with only two options: unconditional surrender and ceding its territory to Trump, or steeling itself for all out war. Rejecting both paths amounts to nothing more than a slow suicide. Restraint has led to the worst possible outcome. Even Iraq, once its sole Shiite ally is now intent on destroying Iran.

I have met 2 IR in the UK, who have told me stories of IR Iraq war....
(you can find in sweet shops or restaurants!)

in short, this is not the first time, they will be coming under such stress, unlike the world!

obviously, people who are not used to living in comfort will break first, not IR!


re. Pak. border, I once visited the border in 1995, it was a desolate place with infrastructure dating back to the time of Christ PBUH!

so, lets leave the PAk. border here!

 

[r3alist]

Only the Iranian state can answer that question on injustice. They are saying US needs implement MOU which includes Lebanon and they are saying Gaza ceasefire too.

From where I sit its probably a mix of all that, but their main aim right now is survival, with a zionist president in power in US for another 2 years, to survive Iran will do things which many people and countries will not like.

Ok bro, but Israel won't exactly mind at all seeing Saudi weakened and this is almost creating cover for Israeli territory expansion, they won't listen or respect any agreement for Gaza unless compelled.




And at the end of the day, Saudi is flawed but an important Muslim country, hosting the two holy places of Islam, and it is not recognising Israel anytime soon. Iran also has a big pro Israel faction waiting again I am sure.



If too much disruption is caused in the West then the gloves may come off even more, so I dunno what the fight is about so clearly from this lens