Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Garcia Sea]

Unfortunately, the collapse of Iran is fast approaching. Trade with China has been severed by a naval blockade, and—perceiving Iran’s weakness—Iraq, Pakistan, and Turkey have sealed their borders, leaving Iran completely encircled. It faces a plight as dire as that of Iraq during the Gulf War. Meanwhile, the IRGC allows Arab vessels to pass unhindered even as Iran’s 90 million citizens are driven to the brink of destitution and starvation; they are effectively permitting only the Iranian people to starve. This represents a total political defeat. Iran is left with only two options: unconditional surrender and ceding its territory to Trump, or steeling itself for all out war. Rejecting both paths amounts to nothing more than a slow suicide. Restraint has led to the worst possible outcome. Even Iraq, once its sole Shiite ally is now intent on destroying Iran.

 

[Professor Jiang]

Well I didn't ask rocket science

I asked what's Irans aims and goals now

And what about Israel as an illegitimate state?

"What's Iran's aims and goals now", asked and answered for the millionth time in this thread.

 

[Zhuge Liang]

President Trump: "Iran has very stupid leaders, unlike the United States. Like, we have the best leaders, we always did, and I am the best of them all".

 

[lightning f57]

That's clutching at straws

It seems like Arabs are a greater target than the nation that did Gaza

Ok the Arabs hosted us bases, but why is that the biggest ultimate crime relative to Israel

It's no longer obviously adding up

Because Israel is GAINING territory of Arabs

Bro hows it clutching at straws, tell me where what I wrote is illogical?

Israel gaining arab territory has nothing to do with Iran hitting Israel or visa versa.

GCC countries hosting US bases close to Iran are easier to hit than Israel which is further out.

To add: Israel is not attacking Iran right now, or their territory being used to launch attacks so it makes no sense for Iran to hit them.

 

[retaxis]

"What's Iran's aims and goals now", asked and answered for the millionth time in this thread.

Irans goals is simple, lifting of all sanctions and prosperity into the future.

To do that they need to sign a deal with a government they can trust (democrats)

so they can only wait it out and do tick for tack reprisal attacks until that happens. They have no reason to escalate anything if they want a deal in 2 years that suits them best.

 

[Shags202]

@Persian Gulf
@Shags202

I think it’s going to be heavier than the last round

 

[r3alist]

Bro hows it clutching at straws, tell me where what I wrote is illogical?

Israel gaining arab territory has nothing to do with Iran hitting Israel or visa versa.

GCC countries hosting US bases close to Iran are easier to hit than Israel which is further out.

To add: Israel is not attacking Iran right now, or their territory being used to launch attacks so it makes no sense for Iran to hit them.

Can we match Irans aims during the war as a fight for Gaza, Lebanon and injustice against the occupier state to where we are now, has it changed and


Sorry I just want to check are we switching up from fighting for injustice and illegal occupation to self interested geopolitics aimed at regional domination, please sir that's the only clarification I seek


Remember Pakistan is pretty much smack in the middle, it never attacked Yemen before despite pressure, never let Iran be harmed from Pakistan and similarly does not want to see chaos in Saudi, therefore Iran is not immune to legitimate push back

 

[lightning f57]

Sorry I just want to check are we switching up from fighting for injustice and illegal occupation to self interested geopolitics aimed at regional domination, please sir that's the only clarification I seek

Only the Iranian state can answer that question on injustice. They are saying US needs implement MOU which includes Lebanon and they are saying Gaza ceasefire too.

From where I sit its probably a mix of all that, but their main aim right now is survival, with a zionist president in power in US for another 2 years, to survive Iran will do things which many people and countries will not like.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Sorry I just want to check are we switching up from fighting for injustice and illegal occupation to self interested geopolitics aimed at regional domination

aimed at survival after being savagely attacked twice in two years by two nuclear powers including the world's sole superpower when they both talk about ending the Iranian civilisation and bringing Iranians to the brink of starvation.

Iran still supports its allies in the Axis of Resistance, but does not fight Israel on their behalf, and never promised to do so, not least because Israel is 1500km away from Iran.

You are now spamming with this topic, move on, final warning.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Unfortunately, the collapse of Iran is fast approaching. Trade with China has been severed by a naval blockade, and—perceiving Iran’s weakness—Iraq, Pakistan, and Turkey have sealed their borders, leaving Iran completely encircled. It faces a plight as dire as that of Iraq during the Gulf War. Meanwhile, the IRGC allows Arab vessels to pass unhindered even as Iran’s 90 million citizens are driven to the brink of destitution and starvation; they are effectively permitting only the Iranian people to starve. This represents a total political defeat. Iran is left with only two options: unconditional surrender and ceding its territory to Trump, or steeling itself for all out war. Rejecting both paths amounts to nothing more than a slow suicide. Restraint has led to the worst possible outcome. Even Iraq, once its sole Shiite ally is now intent on destroying Iran.

I have met 2 IR in the UK, who have told me stories of IR Iraq war....
(you can find in sweet shops or restaurants!)

in short, this is not the first time, they will be coming under such stress, unlike the world!

obviously, people who are not used to living in comfort will break first, not IR!


re. Pak. border, I once visited the border in 1995, it was a desolate place with infrastructure dating back to the time of Christ PBUH!

so, lets leave the PAk. border here!

 

[Eşbah]

@Eşbah why has Turkey closed the borders?

Are all of them closed?

I wasn't able to dig up much info on a possible shutdown of all border crossings. Just so you know, pausing operations for a day or two isn't really out of the ordinary. The Turkish customs agency is already overwhelmed. The volume of crossings is soaring on both sides of the border. Previously, the Turkish government closed the border to civilians but allowed trade to continue. These restrictions are now lifted.

Plus: The borders between Iran and Iraq are open again. I don't think Turkey has shut its borders at this time. They might have begun restricting regular citizens from crossing the border again, but the key point is trade. We'll have to be patient, though there was a security incident yesterday at one of the crossings:



Intensity turned into tension

Images shared on social media show that security guards intervene in a crowd. It is noted that the surrounding citizens reacted to the incident during the activity in the images.

While there was no official explanation as to why the fight started, it was suggested that the images appeared after the intensity and delays in the operations at the border crossing.
The Gürbulak Border Gate on the Turkish side has recently raised complaints that long waiting times and operations are slow.

The intensity at the border crossing was not limited to the Turkish side. Crowd images from the Bazargan Border Gate in Iran, opposite Gürbulak, were also posted on social media.

Images shared by Iran also show that there is a busy crowd at the border crossing and the officials intervened by a person.

Ağrı Gürbulak Sınır Kapısı’nda arbede: Halk ve güvenlik karşı karşıya geldi

Ağrı’nın Doğubayazıt ilçesine bağlı Gürbulak Sınır Kapısı’nda yaşanan yoğunluk, bu kez gerilim görüntüleriyle gündeme geldi. Sınır kapısında bekleyen vatandaşlarla güvenlik görevlileri arasında arbede yaşandığına ilişkin görüntüler sosyal medyada paylaşıldı.

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[Master Chief]

What i am trying to point out is in reality it was Pakistan which traded and had historical people to people relations with Iran and Afghanistan for millennia, not republic of India as propagated. Regions like Punjab, Sindh, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa were the exact geographic places where Persian, Afghan, and locals intersected for millennia. The Grand Trunk Road, the Khyber Pass, and the Bolan Pass all located in present day Pakistan were the primary trade corridors connecting Persia and Central Asia to the Gangetic plains.

This is correct. Iranians are a smart bunch though. They know all this.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Ok bro, but Israel won't exactly mind at all seeing Saudi weakened and this is almost creating cover for Israeli territory expansion, they won't listen or respect any agreement for Gaza unless compelled.




And at the end of the day, Saudi is flawed but an important Muslim country, hosting the two holy places of Islam, and it is not recognising Israel anytime soon. Iran also has a big pro Israel faction waiting again I am sure.



If too much disruption is caused in the West then the gloves may come off even more, so I dunno what the fight is about so clearly from this lens

OK, to sum up (your POV!)

1. KSA wont recognize zios
2. IR is making KSA weak
3. IR is zios party, which is actually looks like a muslim state but it is not (a majoosi)!
4. IR mimics or tries to work for the muslim interests but actually works for the zios!


suppose, all that is true...

what action has KSA taken against 1. USA 2. zios, who attacked IR?!!!

if KSA does not take any action rather openly gives bases to parties who are attacking IR, then, all the 4 points are actually not true!


let alone IR, what action has KSA or any arab state has taken since that dreaded disaster of 2023!


please answer! dont hesitate!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Are all of them closed?

I wasn't able to dig up much info on a possible shutdown of all border crossings. Just so you know, pausing operations for a day or two isn't really out of the ordinary. The Turkish customs agency is already overwhelmed. The volume of crossings is soaring on both sides of the border. Previously, the Turkish government closed the border to civilians but allowed trade to continue. These restrictions are now lifted.

Plus: The borders between Iran and Iraq are open again. I don't think Turkey has shut its borders at this time. They might have begun restricting regular citizens from crossing the border again, but the key point is trade. We'll have to be patient, though there was a security incident yesterday at one of the crossings:



Intensity turned into tension

Images shared on social media show that security guards intervene in a crowd. It is noted that the surrounding citizens reacted to the incident during the activity in the images.

While there was no official explanation as to why the fight started, it was suggested that the images appeared after the intensity and delays in the operations at the border crossing.
The Gürbulak Border Gate on the Turkish side has recently raised complaints that long waiting times and operations are slow.

The intensity at the border crossing was not limited to the Turkish side. Crowd images from the Bazargan Border Gate in Iran, opposite Gürbulak, were also posted on social media.

Images shared by Iran also show that there is a busy crowd at the border crossing and the officials intervened by a person.

Ağrı Gürbulak Sınır Kapısı’nda arbede: Halk ve güvenlik karşı karşıya geldi

Ağrı’nın Doğubayazıt ilçesine bağlı Gürbulak Sınır Kapısı’nda yaşanan yoğunluk, bu kez gerilim görüntüleriyle gündeme geldi. Sınır kapısında bekleyen vatandaşlarla güvenlik görevlileri arasında arbede yaşandığına ilişkin görüntüler sosyal medyada paylaşıldı.

dogubayazitgazetesi.com

I think you are right on trade volumes being a significant contributor. I can imagine border crossings for trade are overstretch massively right now, and I would expect the system to break down from time to time. Customs checks still need to be enforced on trade levels that are 2-3-4-5x normal ?

 

[Master Chief]

Bro hows it clutching at straws, tell me where what I wrote is illogical?

Israel gaining arab territory has nothing to do with Iran hitting Israel or visa versa.

GCC countries hosting US bases close to Iran are easier to hit than Israel which is further out.

To add: Israel is not attacking Iran right now, or their territory being used to launch attacks so it makes no sense for Iran to hit them.

Whether it makes sense for Iran to presently directly hit Israel or not is debatable. What is unavoidable though is that Tehran itself provided a condition (in Islamabad) that the fate of Hezbollah and Lebanon is intertwined with its own. Israel is hitting Hezbollah as we speak. So, I do not believe the Iranian leadership is quite on the same page as you seem to be.

The wider question here, beyond the scope of this thread but worth some consideration, is that Iran probably needed a better generational strategy than such visible bellicosity and locking in with far flung militias who are ultimately very difficult to support directly should they come under pressure (as we have seen with Hamas and Hezbollah, although Houthis are bucking that trend, to their credit).