Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

American intelligence estimates that Israel's inventory of Arrow interceptors is already depleting, and may suffer serious depletion after another week or so

Israel counters by saying that by then Iran will run out of missiles

I believe America over Israel here
I saw some maps today showing that a very few of Iran's Missile bases have actually been hit (despite all the hype form Israel). So its very likely that Iran is just conserving the missiles right now, tiring out Israel's defences.

Also coincides with the Israeli reports that Iran still has 2,000 missiles available that can reach Israel (not counting the ones which Iran are trying to reach). If Iran regains its airspace (first good sign today with the downed UAV), then Iran can dig out the Western Missile bases quicker and things will go very bad for Israel, very quickly.
 
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Iran is disconnected from the Internet, so the Iranians on the Internet are? Emigration? Indian? Israeli?
no , last afternoon due high intensive cyber attack , they make it national network ( INTRANET) , but last night it become normal ...

WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF SHOWIN THE DAMAGE WE TAKE ...
 
Patarames seems to think Iran's plan is:

- keep firing small salvos every day for a few more weeks until Israel's air defences are significantly depleted

- then start attacking Israeli air bases to degrade Israeli sortie rates

- then move TELs closer to border to mass launch Qiam-2/Rezvan missiles
You truly believe that THEIR AD will ever get depleted?

US, UK, Germany etc will just rush more equipment overnight via FedEx.

Question remains..., how long can Iran continue their attacks and how much stock still remains (that isn't buried under a rubble)?
 
American intelligence estimates that Israel's inventory of Arrow interceptors is already depleting, and may suffer serious depletion after another week or so

Israel counters by saying that by then Iran will run out of missiles

I believe America over Israel here
Could be excuse for joining in the war
 
My prayers are with IRAN ,YEMEN and Palestine.
There should be constructive efforts by Arabs for a regime change in Israel.

Only Wishing -

In future there will be regime change in GCC countries on horizon.
 
no , last afternoon due high intensive cyber attack , they make it national network ( INTRANET) , but last night it become normal ...

WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF SHOWIN THE DAMAGE WE TAKE ...
Don't. It helps in their BDA.
 
No, it's probably fake news. If even one F-35 was shot down, Iran would be parading it's wreckage in front of the whole world.
At this point F-35's are flying escort duty or EW and ISR missions as early warning for ballistic missile launches.
 
Israeli media reports that Iran lost its entire military command and Khamenei doesn't know the new commanders is hilarious propaganda

IRGC has an army of commanders with experience in top positions over the past 20 years. they are constantly being rotated across different positions and Khamenei obviously knows them all.

Safavi, Ali Jafari, Pakpour, Ali Fadavi, Ali Ahmadian, Mousavi, Tangsiri, Izadi, Vahidi, Rezaee, ... then there is Artesh commanders too which basically have not been affected at all.

the depth of IRGC commanders is huge. even 5 of the last 6 IRGC commanders since 1997 are still alive! only Salami was killed (at 65 years old).
 
We are not fighting a war to satisfy anyone ...
You are fighting a war for your own country, so expectations to do so to the best of your abilities is expected not just by foreigners but Iranians themselves as well.
 
Kind of disappointing that Iran failed to shoot down even a single fighter. Not even F16 or F15. Didn’t realise Iran would fail to do this.

Iran faced a complicated situation with traitors and spies within that launched drones against air defense systems, along with coordinated SPIKE strikes against high-value targets. Afterward, you have F-35s and other EW assets that did the cleanup.

Pakistan wouldn't have fared any better if the same Israeli assets, strategy, and tactics had been in indian hands.
 
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Are you f#*kin' kidding me !!! Its moving freely in mid-day at that speed (if that's what you wanna call it).

Man, give the kids some RPGs' to shoot 'em.

For every drone they shoot down - Scholarship
 
War with Iran was planned long ago. It all started with indian assault on Pakistan. The idea was a weak tactically defeated Pakistan or at least an afraid Pakistan ( may be CIA should stop reading this forum for OSINT as here a certain chosen demographic due to their own prejudice think as if Pakistanis can't fight. They wrongly project their own insecurities. Once war starts, Pakistan can fight without mercy, with anger and energy like no other).

Anyway, since US has been actively planning this war since february as per reports, the idea was that somehow Pakistan can be coerced so that it may be used in two capacities:

1. As logistic and reconnaissance source when needed.

2. More importantly as a psychological warfare tool, where Iranian can be led to believe that their next door neighbor is about to be used to launch attacks or at least taken aboard for future high hitting never ending drone attacks. That's why Asim muneer was invited far before the war started and He unknowingly said yes, not realizing that his "well advertised dinner with Trump" will be latter used as part of behind the scenee threats to iran which will increased the perceived danger within iranian leadership. It will also set the stage to destroy Pakistan by later iranian open assitance to anti pakisan militants. That is is dumbest thinking by the US planner.

American and western planner don't understand the muslim Psyche and project their own life loving and becoming extremely fearful of war mind set (if its involves actual physical harm) as the basis of their plans. Muslim can die when need arises and with pride. They also failed to realize that the world is now changed. Countries are now capable of sustaining and entering the war with US. They will take the hit but fight back. Even under the extreme savagery like that of Gaza that US and Israel are jointly waging, the spirit of Muslim courage is without any rival.

US cannot coerce Pakistan. It can only threaten with Trade sanction which might hurt but Pakistan can take them. Especially since thanks to Israel Pakistan has now special place. The Gulf countries have seen what Israel does and with how much impunity. They will need Pakistan as backup more than ever, even if they become buddies with Israel.

Turkey too now knows, despite being a powerful nation, and being part of NATO, the jewish states fully controls US and Europe. No one can rise to the top or stay at the top without their funding and "media" projection in western nations. Israel is above NATO.

Since Middle east-africa, Middle east-asia economic corridor is so strategically important for all, Pakistan, China, Turkey and Iran and Israel is trying to takeover it (in effect snatching it), Turkey's future confrontation with Israel can happen. A joint strategic Partnership between to large muslim nation namely Pakistan and Turkey which is already taking shape and will emerge as soon as Pakistan break evens (import = export +investments somewhere between 2028-2030), Then Pakistan will be unstoppable, rising economically faster than anyone else in the region as Chinese industry begins its investments along with Gulf and Turkey itself. Pakistan can then openly declare this strategic partnership with Turkey that would include any Israeli nuclear threat to Turkey as an act of war against Pakistan (just like Saudi arabia ). Pakistan can be very assertive once this current economic hardship eases. it is easing as Tax collection strengthens and export rising reaching that breakeven point.

Relationship with china is very deep, so much so that even real time fiber-optic and satellite war situation is shared between Pakistan and China as well as satellite, reconnaissance and other data.

SO dinner with Asim muneer would be nothing more than a psychological ploy by Trump to made it look like Pakistan is part of his plans, when it can never be. its just a show to create hopefully future chaos whose time is passed. since now only regional alliances can survive.

Pakistan cannot destroy all its actual "real" relationship the one that works, just for another temporary "Muslim hate filled" driven western war. Due to economic decoupling jewish lobby will not have much money to influence the world or media very soon. Even Indian will not let them be the ruler they once were. Attempt to capture middle east as another cash and power source will not work either nor it can be economically controlled, like it did not work in south korea or Japan who took the investment but ended up having their own brands and industry and "non-jewish banking sector" that protects its own interests.

So Asim muneer not to lose latest US Cripto promises (that may help ease dollar shortages) or more importantly investment in rare earth minerals where China is reluctant due to security concern. But West is not reluctant since most bloch terror leader are being kept in the western nations or india ( to harm CPEC but that won't work since Iran will now use "Wisdom rather than jealousy and end indian led work there and in a year or two so will Taliban once they tast some Economic progress).

So Asim Muneer to save 5.5 billion trade with US, along with investment like this, had to follow through this pre-planned US trips. US wil use it as psychologically threat to Iran otherwise, why Trump who won't bother even visiting Pakistan (as was the tradition by US presidents) starts having dinner with Pakistan's army chief.
Its Trump's bad luck that their indian "dog" after a false flag in Kashmir tried to attack and win and war against Pakistan with aim to make us afraid. The result turned out to be opposite.

Pakistanis literally watched bombs dropped outside relatively close ranges and did not even bother to run away and not caring as well as offering prayers in defiance few hours latter in the same Mosques that india bombed for NO bloody reason.

Combined thousands of much hyped Brahmos, Top western Cruise missiles, advanced Israeli drones, did nothing but few hits as most were soft killed, captured intact, or hard killed. With Pakistanis traveling, enjoying their daily life as nothing is happening or making phone videos of drooping drones, or bombs, without even taking shelters and military fighting with extremely high moral.

So instead of weak Pakistan, a confident, courageus Pakistan turned up and now only way to make Pakistan " a great friend again", or "big beautiful friend again", now dinners are being used as psychologically messaging by a country whose few bunker buster may or may not destroy Fordow which won't make much difference since you can replace all of that, or by a country that has few interceptors left and can't go on and risk Iranian retaliation against its bases. US only options are and will be to either themself or using Israel attack Iranian cities similar to Gaza to black mail them , attack Kharg Island oil export facilitates to break Iran economically, along with trying to destroy Fordow. after Fordow destruction even fake one with some visible signs declare victory may be stating all goals met. IF bunker buster can't even destroy 90 meters deep mountain facility then it would be a great embarrassment as Pakistani mountains are "in Kilometers in height and there are so many of them.

Or if they are willing to take risk of American soldiers beign killed in gulf bases, keep on attacking Iranian infra-structure after Fordow. Nations rise from such bombings like vietname did, or we did are doing due to daily suicide bombings, terror attacks, lost of all investments and sanctions. Iran will survive rise again then every nation would want nuclear weapon especially as US influence decreases. .

Asim Muneer will come back and will at most refrain from actively arming Iran. He will however provide intelligence to Iran such as where Pakistan detecting Israeli fighter.

US is afraid even in the absence of Iranian air defenses, the B-2, that has low mono-static radar cross sections but huge bi-static and multi-static RCS due to nature of scattering physics for such high aspect ration aircraft ( Theories involving asymptotic approximation of Maxwell Equations such as Physical diffraction theory used to design such plans clearly tell us that and Even US has to obey Physics so no one can challenge that ) plus B-2's large sizer means low frequency radars with (two or more preferably and they are easy to built) can reasonably locate it. In fact with sensor fusion like we have in Pakistan this is one mechanism we are using to track stealth plans and it involves low or lower frequency radars. Unlike in the past when spatial resolution was horrible for such radars (instead of pin pointing exact location, detecting it but with large position uncertainty) modern sensor fusion allows detection and tracking of low observable aircraft reasonably accurately at much larger distances than ever before ( at which we are as good anyone else since fundamental mathematics is the same (e.g. Particle Filters or even random finite set based filtering )) Plus we have additional dual system from china integrated with ours as well. .

Once located, B-2 huge 4 engines no matter the altitude, are infra-red missile's magnets and easy to kill even if active radar jammers are somewhat successful. You can't get rid of infra-red signatures and modern sensors are very sensitive. Pakistan or even china can provide such near real-time dat Aircraft tracking data (using satellite communications of either countries and informing Iran how to tape into it).

Asim Muneer is probably being requested to refrain into entering this kind of arrangement including not warning Iran about impending attack but if China shows willingness to ensure IMF loan delivery like it did during our war with india (likely offering something in return to western nations) We can accept the loss of trade with US (though unlikely as it would mean loss of Pakistan forever for US too). We will find new markets for out taxtile. Otherwise, unstable Iran or puppet drive Iran will cause so much more loss not to mention Pakistan will lose all its credibility which took decades of harship to earn (E.g. Not abandoning Afghanistan even when being hit by daily US-India funded terror campaign from at one stage 26 indian consulate and CIA led afghan intelligence agency). We took the hit but did not allow these nations or their puppets to stay in power. We can do it again. But for that we need IMF loans guarnatee or GCC easing oil supply. which is a big question mark.

Regardless even if Asim Muneer promises Trump not provide intelligence to Iran, like afghan war Pakistan military will end up supporting Iran. Its a matter time.

Iran will also be provided Food security both by sharing our products as well as imports something that US and Israel likely weaponize against Iran (these monsters are doing to children in Gaza that daily, even building piers stating they are for food and then massacre them and now a days, shooting them when they come to get thier food distribution centers under greatest of desperation.).

So Iranian ports importing food are out of question. Russian can only provide limited help since Jewish Oligards and rich businessmens have their have huge power over there (many are putins personal friends ). Plus large nations like Iran need even in food items a lot more than what one country can provide. So Like Afghan who recived subsidized Pakistani agriculture products, Iran will be provided too. Asim Muneer no matter how much he is coerced, rest of the military or Pakistani nation won't let him plus he is not that stupid to go against whole of Pakistan, China nd Russia and he is himself quite reglious. So his whatever promises are to USA, they are empty promises like Pakistani generals made regarding AFghanistan. As a nation we never abandoned other muslim nations or allies in a total ruthless manner like Jordan king can do (though NOT jordian people though). We even went in and saved Sri lanka a quite anti muslim somwhat of an ally from almost cetain defeat when tamil tigers surrounded Columbo.

In this case, we have our extreme hate for Israel due to daily suffering of Palestian brothers and sisters, and what its doing now in Gaza and other muslim nations. So for Trump Asim munner nothing but just " a psychological Trump Card" which has No subtance but in Trump's delusional head, it is is one of many scare tactics which will never work.

In this war, most if not all shia-sunnies are fully with Iran. What Israel does to muslims civilian, our sisters, our babies as we are witinessing in Gaza, Israel is seen as nothing but pure source of evil that must be checked and stopped. That will happen as power shifts from west to east. Then NO one will be there to save Israel from "sea of muslims surrounding it". NO magical powers will happen for them like they did not during crusader period expulsion of them when they secretey joined christian mass murderers and slaghtered muslim civilians. Despite our problems here and there with Iran, Iran cannot be abandoned, and as death toll in Iran rises, love and support for Iran will grow so much that US or Israel cannot sustain this war for long not by counting on any muslim nation's open help certainly NOT in Iran's neighborhood. American struggling industries cannot re-supply them so much like they did before earlier muslim slaghter nor they can financialy pour that many resources or China will be so ahead, it will finish them off faster than they think displacing them to their little world. They know that and want to focus on that. Its now their existential war. They never thought it will come to this. But it has. China is far too big and far more capable than their earlier "made up" fake adversaries where Chosen ones on both sides "made cash" and attained power (soviet union was engineered by jewish led groups that's why most post soviet oligards had jewish ancestory).

This idea that differences between shia or sunni world means that we can tolerate death of our fellow muslims is Israel's delusional dream. We are all muslims after all plus as we see it, it again a group of rutheless baby murdering and never bloody ending their hate filled civilian killing mad maniac nations doing the same shit again. It has been nearly 300 years now. Even in Yemen most attacks were on civilians with no regard to women or chidren with absolute psychpathic hate filled attitude. It was NOT even in the news.

Sooner it later they will fall and they will fall to just as ruthless new world. Iran will survive and rise up again. This comes from a pure sunny muslim like me.
 
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