Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Musings]

Remember when Imran Khan was in Russia when they launched their invasion of Ukraine?

Topic bro

 

[Lulldapull]

Yeah we saw that in Six-Day arab war of 1967.

Toilet cleaner bihari babbu masquerading as 'Assyriandd'.......

 

[Bengal71]

Regarding Trump's call, everyone including US media said that Iran was about to lunch their 'biggest' attack that night and Trump's threat was to stop that attack and force Iran to tone it down. Which worked. That attack never happened and since then we have not seen any large attacks. Next day he returned back to calling for negotiations.

Trump lives in the moment. He would commit to one thing and then roll around towards another as soon as things change. There is an article on CNN saying how Trump woke up and saw Israel's sabotage and immediately went online to take credit of it, without asking anyone. Then as soon as Iran started attacking he went online and took credit for speaking with Middle East allies to stop bigger attacks. Nobody in US takes his tweets seriously. If he DOES see Iran is weakening, then he might as well drop a bomb and take credit. If he sees Israel is weakening then he might push Iran for ceasefire and take credit.

That part about Trumps character, I know. But you have to remember there is strong Israeli lobby, Trump can't just go around taking credits without some concrete actions that will please the Israelis.

 

[Bengal71]

No its not. Israel would have used a nuke long ago if it could. Its not like they have any any respect for humanity or any inhibitions.

The reason, Iran can simply attack their Nuclear Bases and Reactors (and that is why they have not done it until now, it will only happen if Israel shows any stupidity). The whole place will be unlivable for next 40,000 years (at low end) to 2 Million years (at the higher end).

Reactor fuel is far worse than any atomic blast (Hiroshima went back to life after a week, while Chernobyl is dead since 40 years and will always remain so). And that is precisely why Iran does not need any nukes in the first place. US Intelligence rubbishes that Iran is (or was) making nukes, UN Rubbishes it, but Israel keep using it as an excuse to attack Iran anyway. Though, now they might make one as an insurance against the US as well.

Well, that can't be a full proof solution. Israel can turn of their reactors, move the fuel to a different location and then strike Iran with nukes.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Asim Munir didn't attend the parade.
I believe his visit was arranged before the war between Iran and Israel started and he is there to have some trade/investment for Pakistan and maybe some security related matters.
Pakistan or any other country has not much pull to mediate in this conflict. Apparently, per NY Times, Netanyahu arm twisted Trump into agreeing to support Israel's attack. It is Netanyahu calling the shots.

No one is going to talk to a military general about economic investments or issues. Can you imagine head of any American company doing that? They are used to talking to civilians. This is why the current model in Pakistan does not work economically.

(Off topic but warranted to respond to this.).

 

[Lulldapull]

Shoot down with what?

If they penetrate then yeah they'd be shot down. Penetrate first no?

 

[Assyrian209]

Hindsight is 20-20 but I feel like most of us were always telling that their lack of proper air force

They will keep Iran under sanctions so that they can´t require an airforce

 

[Shakehands]

Iran is disconnected from the Internet, so who are the Iranians on the Internet? Emigration? Indian? Israeli?

I noticed some activities too.

 

[OldTwilight]

The video in Kermansha showed Hermess drone flying over the recorder , if there was aManpad , they could hunt it down ....

The manpads should be given to the troops ...

 

[Lulldapull]

We are not fighting a war to satisfy anyone ...

His shit outfit wouldn't even last a week if Israel goes after these mongol on ECB/ IMF life support.

 

[Bengal71]

yes. they can't resupply Arrow systems that easily and THAAD has limits

they can only bring more warships to region to use their SM-3 missiles

And those also have a limited stockpile and production rate is quite low.

 

[OldTwilight]

Another consequence of this war is that no sane people will take USA words and their negations seriously anymore ...

 

[Aggregate]

That part about Trumps character, I know. But you have to remember there is strong Israeli lobby, Trump can't just go around taking credits without some concrete actions that will please the Israelis.

Yes, but there's notable differences this time:

• In the past it was the US public that strongly supported Israel. This time Trump's MAGA base specifically wants him to not support Israel. That might change things
• US does support Israel, yes, but they are also Fed up of Nethanyahoo as Israeli PM. As much as they wanna support Israel, they also want Nethanyahoo to finally fk-off. As he keeps using US compulsion to help Israel for his personal gains. If he does win, he will never leave.

US could have sent 2 B2 Bombers and finished off all Iranian sites in a single go, nobody would have known what hit them. But they have not done it despite Israel pleading for 6 months.

Nethanyahoo then jumped into the war, in hopes US will have to come help them. He has been desperately pounding Fordow Mountain with zero effect, pleading with the US to help him and since 5 days Trump is not listening to him. All the while Tel-Aviv is getting decimated. That never ever happened before. Now either US will do it. Or Trump might let him fail on purpose. Both possibilities are there this time.

 

[Bengal71]

Its has fatal flaw, We need to attack Cyprus ( which we should start to send warning about this to EU ) ,

And who said they are only using their own Air Base ?

Also, "keep firing small salvos every day for a few more weeks until Israel's air defences are significantly depleted"

Why fire small volleys everyday until AD are depleted. If depletion of AD is the goal, then send 100s of the old missiles within a day or two. Israel doesn't have many AD missiles, possibly not more than 500-600.

 

[Assyrian209]

What China needs is a stable friend, not a regular threat to recover ports like Australia. If we build a good military base and the country repents of recovering land for some reason, will China send troops to fight or give up? Does the war belong to China's invasion of a country?
At present, China has not seen such a friend in the Middle East.

Many countries in Mideast have reservations about China more then China has reservations about them and even Russia has that reservations about China.

First of All the Chinese always follow the US sanctions they avoid doing business with you if you get sanctioned in order to avoid themselves sanctions.

The second issue is the Chinese will bolt out of there the second you get yourself into issues. They are very illusive.

A fine example is what happened in the Solomon Islands. We heard news of China trying to ethabalish military bases there plus the Solomon Islands president okayed the bases and the next thing that happened is 100s of US diplomats flying into the Solomon Islands to literally threaten the President of the Solomon Islands and where was China when all this happened no where to be found.

The next interview he had after these American diplomats threatened him was epic he started saying we don´t want anything that harms our brothers and neighbours etc etc and talking about pacifism and assuring everyone of no bases.

Another example China avoided to invest in Syria during Assad era aka an ally but since Sharaa came and the sanctions lifted China has arrived to Syria to invest and has already made some deals