Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

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Don't understand why Americans are unable to rid their corridors of power from these devious Jewish fascists and their loyal Goy servants.

The rat infestation has been allowed to take a death grip.

 

[Tijani]

Okay, so you have to step back a bit.
Why is Iran under the scanner in the first place?
Before uranium it was about oil,
Before Ayatollahs it was the shah,
Before theocracy it was autocracy...
What is the purpose of someone so concerned with Iranian affairs and how they deal within or in their region?
The equation is not zion has an ally and friend in Arabs, Kurds, Turks or Iranians. The one who seeks to rule and superimpose itself on the region seeks NONE!
Scattered and squabbling seeking zion as their SAVIOR!

Iran isn't in crosshairs because it seeks to produce its own electricity... it is because of what it endows and what it represents. A coherent mass that challenges a supremacist state. Who will not accept you AS IS even if you submit, kneel and kissed the ring. It is the same with regional Arab rump states... who eat seeing their own die and shown live on the big screen. It is the same for Turks and Egyptians.
I have nothing to prove here... they say so... did so and in time gung ho for what remains. Which is why those who claim that they kept their heads down find themslves hit harder... relegated to abomination Abbas like situation.

If Iran is to survive, there is nothing but to build up... bigger, better longer and keep repeating till you create enough of space between you and the belligerent. They must know that they are called out and fair play. The paradigm that sustains them is just about done... they will no longer have that window, utility nor capacity to overwhelm, escalate or respond with superior firepower.

in fact, if anything Iran should do military training and exercises with Russians, Chinese and other regional states. Go for a coalition and not solo... especially in talks. JCPOA had guarantors, they remained true... commit them... they didn't blink.

Thing is zion is now on an expedited timeline and the war on Iran was slated for Obama's terms... he dithered... but did deliver Libya... Miliekowsky chosen model for Iran. While they play good cop, bad cop routine.

You laid it out beautifully!

 

[Persian Gulf]

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first round of Iran-US indirect talks via Oman went well, and a second round is scheduled for next week

this suggests the US has acceptable demands about the framework of a deal (i.e., nothing close to 'Libya model' and no non-nuclear demands)

Araghchi and Witkoff also had a brief direct conversation when departing the venue

this is good news

 

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first round of Iran-US indirect talks via Oman went well, and a second round is scheduled for next week

this suggests the US has acceptable demands about the framework of a deal (i.e., nothing close to 'Libya model' and no non-nuclear demands)

Araghchi and Witkoff also had a brief direct conversation when departing the venue

this is good news

Reaching a deal is good news for all Iranian people besides diaspora shills that wants Iran turned into a Balkanized region, or military fans that wants a war just to "see the capabilities of Iranian weapons"

 

[tower9]

There's not going to be a war.

Trump is in the middle of trying to survive China's response to the trade war. He can't focus on Iran right now and what the trade war is showing is that the US is far far weaker than what people imagine.

Fighting a war with Iran, especially if he is trying to get boots on the ground, will spell the absolute end of the American empire. It will crash everything.

 

[vmro]

Don't understand why Americans are unable to rid their corridors of power from these devious Jewish fascists and their loyal Goy servants.

The rat infestation has been allowed to take a death grip.

American political elites is extremely powerful and cult-based sect, with twisted interpretation of religious books from the ancient Egyptian times onward...They are organized in the student's groups like "Skull and bone", of course only chosen aristocratic individuals, with twisted, immoral and shocking rituals that transform them into unquestionable loyalist... Because they are compromised and corrupted by their student's rituals in the first place...

Majority of the ordinary people in America has no idea what is going on there and why Pakistani are only Arabs with nukes...

Evangelical sects are among most powerful, in bizarre coalition with zionists banker lobbyists, seeing as necessary presence of Zionistic entity in the hollow land in achieving circumstances for the return of the Messiah...And Messiah is tasked to punish jews for treacherously events that lead to elimination of the Jesus...

Yes, no love for jewish people, not even close...they are necessary evil for the future return of the Messiah and finally destroyed evil(Judaism)...

But, there is a crucial changing process in usa, generational gap in the political structure that is not preceding by this particular subject, few times usa went for different reasons through same essential reform in the public discourse, Vietnam War had similar game-chang perception process...


Students are pissed off to the zionists, and this is what is important and without precedent...First time in usa discourse zionists are exposed to broader people...Future is doomed for zionists, so they are all-purpose to make maximum of present time

 

[vmro]

There's not going to be a war.

Trump is in the middle of trying to survive China's response to the trade war. He can't focus on Iran right now and what the trade war is showing is that the US is far far weaker than what people imagine.

Fighting a war with Iran, especially if he is trying to get boots on the ground, will spell the absolute end of the American empire. It will crash everything.

Now after fierce reaction of China to his economical assault, Iran is on the way to lose the title of leading nemesis to usa "interests", title that, let’s be real, is not among most desirable ones...

He is businessman, pure capitalistic edition on steroids, war with Iran is lunatic from any business acumen in the world with tectonic waves of uncertainty after his ongoing decisions...

That's why is always so hard to judge the strategic patience doctrine... If Trump decides to go after China with full capacity, and he will probably do that, Iran will be central factor between 2 superpowers with gigantic resources that are ticket for elevation to next-level development of Iranian society in general...

Yes, Iranian proxies were heavily targeted...But, to be honest again, for Iranians the most important thing is Iran...Countering superpowers to preserve national sovereignty without direct devastating confrontations, waiting for inevitably coming multipolar geopolitical global reality and without cursed loans for global Zionistic banking oligarchs...

This is long-term chess game for the never-ending grandiose Persian imperial iterations...

 

[tower9]

Now after fierce reaction of China to his economical assault, Iran is on the way to lose the title of leading nemesis to usa "interests", title that, let’s be real, is not among most desirable ones...

He is businessman, pure capitalistic edition on steroids, war with Iran is lunatic from any business acumen in the world with tectonic waves of uncertainty after his ongoing decisions...

That's why is always so hard to judge the strategic patience doctrine... If Trump decides to go after China with full capacity, and he will probably do that, Iran will be central factor between 2 superpowers with gigantic resources that are ticket for elevation to next-level development of Iranian society in general...

Yes, Iranian proxies were heavily targeted...But, to be honest again, for Iranians the most important thing is Iran...Countering superpowers to preserve national sovereignty without direct devastating confrontations, waiting for inevitably coming multipolar geopolitical global reality and without cursed loans for global Zionistic banking oligarchs...

This is long-term chess game for the never-ending grandiose Persian imperial iterations...

There is no reason why the US and Iran should be enemies. They are only enemies because of the influence of Israel.

Look, with the escalating conflict between China and the US, the US can no longer afford the LUXURY of conducting its foreign policy based on Israel's interests. That's why there will not be a war with Iran.

Trump foolishly placed himself into a trap in this trade war. He and his advisors are completely ignorant about the reality of the situation and severely miscalculated.

I said this before on here, but CHINA IS NOT BLUFFING. China is willing to decouple with the US and is willing to write off trade with the US because the potential gains are actually bigger than the losses that would be incurred. China will keep up the pain and will not be negotiating a deal with Trump until the US is sufficiently suffering and in a position of weakness. China will not be interested in a "deal" where China is supposed to purchase US goods it doesn't need or US bonds that will only strengthen the US to come after China again later.

Trump is an absolute imbecile and he thought he was dealing with the China of 2017, not the China of 2025.

 

[Tijani]

Now after fierce reaction of China to his economical assault, Iran is on the way to lose the title of leading nemesis to usa "interests", title that, let’s be real, is not among most desirable ones...

He is businessman, pure capitalistic edition on steroids, war with Iran is lunatic from any business acumen in the world with tectonic waves of uncertainty after his ongoing decisions...

That's why is always so hard to judge the strategic patience doctrine... If Trump decides to go after China with full capacity, and he will probably do that, Iran will be central factor between 2 superpowers with gigantic resources that are ticket for elevation to next-level development of Iranian society in general...

Yes, Iranian proxies were heavily targeted...But, to be honest again, for Iranians the most important thing is Iran...Countering superpowers to preserve national sovereignty without direct devastating confrontations, waiting for inevitably coming multipolar geopolitical global reality and without cursed loans for global Zionistic banking oligarchs...

This is long-term chess game for the never-ending grandiose Persian imperial iterations...

The zionist West is trying pacify all it's enemies so that it hand fully concentrate on China in the hope that it's done enough to placate Russia , Iran and even North Korea from eventually supporting China is a future confrontation. It's classic divide and conquer.
Let me be first to say that it's not going to work. Non of the aforementioned players are naive enough to fall for something as banal. They are all know that China is the bulwark against their singular subjugation.

 

[Aziqbal]

there is no way US will attack Iran

China and Russia simply won't allow it

They couldn't beat Russia on the battlefield
They also couldn't beat China in the economic war

all 3 have scores to settle with the US

I can only image what will happen to Americans when they are weak

no Superpower lives a infinite time its always finite

 

[tower9]

there is no way US will attack Iran

China and Russia simply won't allow it

They couldn't beat Russia on the battlefield
They also couldn't beat China in the economic war

all 3 have scores to settle with the US

I can only image what will happen to Americans when they are weak

no Superpower lives a infinite time its always finite

Trump foolishly gave China an opening with this trade war. Now the US is trapped. $9 trillion in debt is due for refi this June and the treasury rates are rising. US supply chains will be significantly disrupted, inflation will go through the roof. This is why Trump has changed his tone and is hitting the panic button, repeatedly begging Xi for a call.

The CALL IS NOT COMING. China isn't interested in a deal. China holds cards that the Trump administration was too ignorant to even be aware of, which is the most shocking part. China sees this as an opportunity to decouple from the US and build an alternative system that will significantly weaken the US.

 

[925boy]

unfortunately the missiles did not perform as expected and showed weak accuracy,

That was intentional on IRGC's part- remember, TP2 was not an active war operation, it was more like a Phase II of a warning attack- just like the attack on Ain Al Asad base in Iraq after Soleimani's assassination- Iran wasn't intending to kill US troops (even if that was possible and the Iran's attack risked that)

but IRI did not know that in advance

Iran knew in advance- how do you know Iran didnt expect this already? No matter how smart you or anyone on PDF is or sounds, we will never know as much as the IRGC missile men and generals know, respectfully.

 

[vmro]

The zionist West is trying pacify all it's enemies so that it hand fully concentrate on China in the hope that it's done enough to placate Russia , Iran and even North Korea from eventually supporting China is a future confrontation. It's classic divide and conquer.
Let me be first to say that it's not going to work. Non of the aforementioned players are naive enough to fall for something as banal. They are all know that China is the bulwark against their singular subjugation.

Yes, but for Iran ideally scenario is to stay on its own, China as eventual sole global superpower is not necessarily paradise for this countries... If Iranian goal is to be great power itself, if Iran is willing to accept second-rate status in next geopolitical redistribution, that is piece of cake...They can use formula for that from any Balkan quasi state.... semi-colonial masterpiece of state's construction, adapted to modern circumstances

 

[Nuffle]

Nope. Iran will do nothing as I had told few days earlier. We discussed it few days ago. It happened exactly as I predicted:

1- Israel will attack
2- Israel will only do a limited strike
3- Israeli missiles will not be intercepted.
4- Iran will ignore the attack, downplaying it as "insignificant". (Which it is )
5- Situation deescalates.

Iran will not do counter attack because Iran only responds when it absolutely must. Iran has never initiated any attack first. It always did a response to direct Israeli actions. First attack on Israel was response to Israeli bombardment of Iranian embassy and annihilating several Iranian Generals & officials. Second attack was in response to assassination of Haniyah within Iranian soil, who was a state guest of Iran. So Iran will not respond to a limited strike, unless extra ordinary circumstances are created again. Iran would love to de-escalate at this point. Israelis wants the same as they are busy in Gaza & Lebanon and don't want to open another direct front.

That was pretty accurate. Well done