Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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first round of Iran-US indirect talks via Oman went well, and a second round is scheduled for next week

this suggests the US has acceptable demands about the framework of a deal (i.e., nothing close to 'Libya model' and no non-nuclear demands)

Araghchi and Witkoff also had a brief direct conversation when departing the venue

this is good news

Reaching a deal is good news for all Iranian people besides diaspora shills that wants Iran turned into a Balkanized region, or military fans that wants a war just to "see the capabilities of Iranian weapons"

 

[tower9]

There's not going to be a war.

Trump is in the middle of trying to survive China's response to the trade war. He can't focus on Iran right now and what the trade war is showing is that the US is far far weaker than what people imagine.

Fighting a war with Iran, especially if he is trying to get boots on the ground, will spell the absolute end of the American empire. It will crash everything.

 

[vmro]

Don't understand why Americans are unable to rid their corridors of power from these devious Jewish fascists and their loyal Goy servants.

The rat infestation has been allowed to take a death grip.

American political elites is extremely powerful and cult-based sect, with twisted interpretation of religious books from the ancient Egyptian times onward...They are organized in the student's groups like "Skull and bone", of course only chosen aristocratic individuals, with twisted, immoral and shocking rituals that transform them into unquestionable loyalist... Because they are compromised and corrupted by their student's rituals in the first place...

Majority of the ordinary people in America has no idea what is going on there and why Pakistani are only Arabs with nukes...

Evangelical sects are among most powerful, in bizarre coalition with zionists banker lobbyists, seeing as necessary presence of Zionistic entity in the hollow land in achieving circumstances for the return of the Messiah...And Messiah is tasked to punish jews for treacherously events that lead to elimination of the Jesus...

Yes, no love for jewish people, not even close...they are necessary evil for the future return of the Messiah and finally destroyed evil(Judaism)...

But, there is a crucial changing process in usa, generational gap in the political structure that is not preceding by this particular subject, few times usa went for different reasons through same essential reform in the public discourse, Vietnam War had similar game-chang perception process...


Students are pissed off to the zionists, and this is what is important and without precedent...First time in usa discourse zionists are exposed to broader people...Future is doomed for zionists, so they are all-purpose to make maximum of present time

 

[vmro]

There's not going to be a war.

Trump is in the middle of trying to survive China's response to the trade war. He can't focus on Iran right now and what the trade war is showing is that the US is far far weaker than what people imagine.

Fighting a war with Iran, especially if he is trying to get boots on the ground, will spell the absolute end of the American empire. It will crash everything.

Now after fierce reaction of China to his economical assault, Iran is on the way to lose the title of leading nemesis to usa "interests", title that, let’s be real, is not among most desirable ones...

He is businessman, pure capitalistic edition on steroids, war with Iran is lunatic from any business acumen in the world with tectonic waves of uncertainty after his ongoing decisions...

That's why is always so hard to judge the strategic patience doctrine... If Trump decides to go after China with full capacity, and he will probably do that, Iran will be central factor between 2 superpowers with gigantic resources that are ticket for elevation to next-level development of Iranian society in general...

Yes, Iranian proxies were heavily targeted...But, to be honest again, for Iranians the most important thing is Iran...Countering superpowers to preserve national sovereignty without direct devastating confrontations, waiting for inevitably coming multipolar geopolitical global reality and without cursed loans for global Zionistic banking oligarchs...

This is long-term chess game for the never-ending grandiose Persian imperial iterations...

 

[tower9]

Now after fierce reaction of China to his economical assault, Iran is on the way to lose the title of leading nemesis to usa "interests", title that, let’s be real, is not among most desirable ones...

He is businessman, pure capitalistic edition on steroids, war with Iran is lunatic from any business acumen in the world with tectonic waves of uncertainty after his ongoing decisions...

That's why is always so hard to judge the strategic patience doctrine... If Trump decides to go after China with full capacity, and he will probably do that, Iran will be central factor between 2 superpowers with gigantic resources that are ticket for elevation to next-level development of Iranian society in general...

Yes, Iranian proxies were heavily targeted...But, to be honest again, for Iranians the most important thing is Iran...Countering superpowers to preserve national sovereignty without direct devastating confrontations, waiting for inevitably coming multipolar geopolitical global reality and without cursed loans for global Zionistic banking oligarchs...

This is long-term chess game for the never-ending grandiose Persian imperial iterations...

There is no reason why the US and Iran should be enemies. They are only enemies because of the influence of Israel.

Look, with the escalating conflict between China and the US, the US can no longer afford the LUXURY of conducting its foreign policy based on Israel's interests. That's why there will not be a war with Iran.

Trump foolishly placed himself into a trap in this trade war. He and his advisors are completely ignorant about the reality of the situation and severely miscalculated.

I said this before on here, but CHINA IS NOT BLUFFING. China is willing to decouple with the US and is willing to write off trade with the US because the potential gains are actually bigger than the losses that would be incurred. China will keep up the pain and will not be negotiating a deal with Trump until the US is sufficiently suffering and in a position of weakness. China will not be interested in a "deal" where China is supposed to purchase US goods it doesn't need or US bonds that will only strengthen the US to come after China again later.

Trump is an absolute imbecile and he thought he was dealing with the China of 2017, not the China of 2025.

 

[Tijani]

Now after fierce reaction of China to his economical assault, Iran is on the way to lose the title of leading nemesis to usa "interests", title that, let’s be real, is not among most desirable ones...

He is businessman, pure capitalistic edition on steroids, war with Iran is lunatic from any business acumen in the world with tectonic waves of uncertainty after his ongoing decisions...

That's why is always so hard to judge the strategic patience doctrine... If Trump decides to go after China with full capacity, and he will probably do that, Iran will be central factor between 2 superpowers with gigantic resources that are ticket for elevation to next-level development of Iranian society in general...

Yes, Iranian proxies were heavily targeted...But, to be honest again, for Iranians the most important thing is Iran...Countering superpowers to preserve national sovereignty without direct devastating confrontations, waiting for inevitably coming multipolar geopolitical global reality and without cursed loans for global Zionistic banking oligarchs...

This is long-term chess game for the never-ending grandiose Persian imperial iterations...

The zionist West is trying pacify all it's enemies so that it hand fully concentrate on China in the hope that it's done enough to placate Russia , Iran and even North Korea from eventually supporting China is a future confrontation. It's classic divide and conquer.
Let me be first to say that it's not going to work. Non of the aforementioned players are naive enough to fall for something as banal. They are all know that China is the bulwark against their singular subjugation.

 

[Aziqbal]

there is no way US will attack Iran

China and Russia simply won't allow it

They couldn't beat Russia on the battlefield
They also couldn't beat China in the economic war

all 3 have scores to settle with the US

I can only image what will happen to Americans when they are weak

no Superpower lives a infinite time its always finite

 

[tower9]

there is no way US will attack Iran

China and Russia simply won't allow it

They couldn't beat Russia on the battlefield
They also couldn't beat China in the economic war

all 3 have scores to settle with the US

I can only image what will happen to Americans when they are weak

no Superpower lives a infinite time its always finite

Trump foolishly gave China an opening with this trade war. Now the US is trapped. $9 trillion in debt is due for refi this June and the treasury rates are rising. US supply chains will be significantly disrupted, inflation will go through the roof. This is why Trump has changed his tone and is hitting the panic button, repeatedly begging Xi for a call.

The CALL IS NOT COMING. China isn't interested in a deal. China holds cards that the Trump administration was too ignorant to even be aware of, which is the most shocking part. China sees this as an opportunity to decouple from the US and build an alternative system that will significantly weaken the US.

 

[925boy]

unfortunately the missiles did not perform as expected and showed weak accuracy,

That was intentional on IRGC's part- remember, TP2 was not an active war operation, it was more like a Phase II of a warning attack- just like the attack on Ain Al Asad base in Iraq after Soleimani's assassination- Iran wasn't intending to kill US troops (even if that was possible and the Iran's attack risked that)

but IRI did not know that in advance

Iran knew in advance- how do you know Iran didnt expect this already? No matter how smart you or anyone on PDF is or sounds, we will never know as much as the IRGC missile men and generals know, respectfully.

 

[vmro]

The zionist West is trying pacify all it's enemies so that it hand fully concentrate on China in the hope that it's done enough to placate Russia , Iran and even North Korea from eventually supporting China is a future confrontation. It's classic divide and conquer.
Let me be first to say that it's not going to work. Non of the aforementioned players are naive enough to fall for something as banal. They are all know that China is the bulwark against their singular subjugation.

Yes, but for Iran ideally scenario is to stay on its own, China as eventual sole global superpower is not necessarily paradise for this countries... If Iranian goal is to be great power itself, if Iran is willing to accept second-rate status in next geopolitical redistribution, that is piece of cake...They can use formula for that from any Balkan quasi state.... semi-colonial masterpiece of state's construction, adapted to modern circumstances

 

[Nuffle]

Nope. Iran will do nothing as I had told few days earlier. We discussed it few days ago. It happened exactly as I predicted:

1- Israel will attack
2- Israel will only do a limited strike
3- Israeli missiles will not be intercepted.
4- Iran will ignore the attack, downplaying it as "insignificant". (Which it is )
5- Situation deescalates.

Iran will not do counter attack because Iran only responds when it absolutely must. Iran has never initiated any attack first. It always did a response to direct Israeli actions. First attack on Israel was response to Israeli bombardment of Iranian embassy and annihilating several Iranian Generals & officials. Second attack was in response to assassination of Haniyah within Iranian soil, who was a state guest of Iran. So Iran will not respond to a limited strike, unless extra ordinary circumstances are created again. Iran would love to de-escalate at this point. Israelis wants the same as they are busy in Gaza & Lebanon and don't want to open another direct front.

That was pretty accurate. Well done

 

[925boy]

you are discounting the use of tactical nukes this time.

US has never used tactical nukes in a war against a non-nuclear state, so that is a hypothetical threat that isn't likely to be realized.

it is quite possible we will see nukes this time,

hypothetically....even when US lost the Afghanistan war to central Asian fighters who traverse mountains as insurgency methods, it never used nukes, so why now?
How do you think the world,especially nuclear powers will react to US using nukes? IT will likelty not go well for US and its interests.. look at the shame and isolation Israel is feeling from genociding Gaza- it cant shake it off, even with US propaganda and support, so that gives us a hint of what will happen to US and its interests and allies if it uses nukes- nukes today are mostly for bluffs, US must fight conventionally against a conventional military, like Iran.

If US was confident in its conventional military capabilities, like it tells us it is against Ansarullah currently, why would it need to use taboo weapons like nukes? A tired and lost superpower calculates wrongly and loses more and more,before it crashes.

israel and usa will never let iran have even enriched uranium.

iran already has it, and US cant do crap about it, especially at sites like Fordow- time and weapons can't help US much now.

its not about civilian use at this time, its a out not even a gram of uranium of plutonium can stay there,

LOL- lets see US enforce this them.

Trump already went from threatening Iran before negotiations to Iranian negotiations saying US negotiators didnt make threats- US is not confident in its military power, especially against "tough nut" countries like Iran (i mean, US already showed its afraid of military entanglements in weaker countries like Sudan..)

so the infrastructure has to be taken down or completely destroyed..

LETS SEE IT THEN! Life is not a comic book or fantasy- Let US either prove it or shut up! (respectfully!)

 

[Tijani]

Trump foolishly gave China an opening with this trade war. Now the US is trapped. $9 trillion in debt is due for refi this June and the treasury rates are rising. US supply chains will be significantly disrupted, inflation will go through the roof. This is why Trump has changed his tone and is hitting the panic button, repeatedly begging Xi for a call.

The CALL IS NOT COMING. China isn't interested in a deal. China holds cards that the Trump administration was too ignorant to even be aware of, which is the most shocking part. China sees this as an opportunity to decouple from the US and build an alternative system that will significantly weaken the US.

I can't understand why the US is acting in such a suicidal fashion! How difficult is it to understand that this is not the age of gunboat diplomacy? You don't have the guns nor the boats to effectively challenge China. The combined forces of the zionist West could hardly put a dent on Russia economically and militarily but they suddenly believe that China will fold? This is truly madness of the highest order! This China is not occupied Japan, she cannot be bullied into signing a Plaza Accord 2.0 to commit ritual economic suicide. It's literally as you've stated! The US doesn't hold the cards!

 

[tower9]

I can't understand why the US is acting in such a suicidal fashion! How difficult is it to understand that this is not the age of gunboat diplomacy? You don't have the guns nor the boats to effectively challenge China. The combined forces of the zionist West could hardly put a dent on Russia economically and militarily but they suddenly believe that China will fold? This is truly madness of the highest order! This China is not occupied Japan, she cannot be bullied into signing a Plaza Accord 2.0 to commit ritual economic suicide. It's literally as you've stated! The US doesn't hold the cards!

Obvious answer is the most obvious. Americas political elite are extremely stupid and delusional.

That’s it. This is why America will be led to disaster before new leaders, who have lived under great hardship, will rise and have the wisdom to rebuild America in a completely different world order.