Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Kharral]

every time Israel does some sabotage or attack on Iran's nuclear program, it only advances the program

now the US destroyed Natanz and damaged Fordow (not severely, it seems)

Iran will move enrichment to the massive new Natanz site and undeclared sites (Qazvin?). enriched uranium was moved in advance and now no one knows where it is!

Natanz-1: 10-20m underground
Fordow: 80m under mountain

Natanz-2: 150-200m under mountain
Qazvin: 200m+ under mountain

Israel couldn't reach Natanz-1 let alone Fordow, so the US had to do it, and even the US couldn't destroy Fordow with 12 (!) GBU-57s at once. so they have no chance in Natanz-2 and Qazvin other than group ops.

First & Foremost IR needs to clean house.
Forget about being labelled oppressive or tyrannical & go Mongol on traitors, enemy collaborators & sell outs.

Create a worldwide targeting capability to target its enemies at a personal level. Revolutionary forces have always done it & there’s a huge potential for it in the current geo political environment.

Everything else will take care of itself.

 

[vmro]

I think bibi bombing campaign has almost guaranteed the Iranians will go nuclear

In the end, Trump also inflicts historical blow to Israel, with forced truce, without intervention for Israelis civilians, with openly dealing with iran to avoid Bibi`s trap to make violent conflict usa vs. iran.... in the end he actually trolled zionist all of the time, what then admitted on his network, that they pissed him off with iran, so he had to prepare show to shut their mouths...

Before that, he informed Bibi about new tariffs and `congratulate` him how much money they take from americans...

and bibi is, according to last info, in deep depression state...witness of phone talk bibi-trump said that bibi has been able to say just few words, in long phone call where trump explained who is the boss...

Bibi risked everything, like with war with Biden, although he will cry for Biden for a long time still...lobby dismantled leftist movements in usa just to stop attacks on trump, he put himself in trump`s pocket, tried to play old games and now is...could easy cemented as most negative in israel ever...

Now if anyone accuses Iran for nuclear program, they just could recomend to ask Trump about subject...For Trump attack was simply tremendous, no one could make it better and history will learn about it....

 

[Oscar]

Right.
This @AZ_HighCountry taking ISIS, a totally discredited, small non- entity in the Islamic world and subtly drawing a parallel with the 'only democracy in the Middle East', a nation backed by the 'civilized West', is an obvious obfuscation and deflection.

For its time ISIS controlled massive swaths of area and implemented a brutal regime within it. Rape, looting, murder for the sake of murder was completely open in there.
Just because they were beaten to the ground does not absolve them of the heinious crimes done in the name of Islam - nor does it really equate with israel.

ISIS was ISIS - they did not pretend to be anything else.
Israel was/is the encyclopedia Britannica definition of hypocrisy in terms of what they try to portray and what they actually are.

But the issue here is that ISIS's influence was through religion alone.
Israel uses religion, economics, politics, social engineering and pretty much anything they can put their hands on to achieve its means in the most ruthless efficient way possible.

 

[Kyussis]

Iran fired 500+ missiles at Israel and only achieved c. 30-50 good impacts

I would say their air defence performed very well. how would Iranian air defence fare against 500 ballistic missiles?

if we continued firing 100+ missiles at Israel per day from this point onwards, we could expose their air defence limitations, but we were not able to do that.

How do you know how many missiles impacted Israel when there is no Satellite imagery published and Israel had strict censorship in place against publishing images of hits on military targets?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Difference is, majority of the Muslim world condems terrorists who align themselves to the Islamic civilization. All the major religious bodies have issued rulings.

Can you say the same about Western civilization when it comes to Zionist Terrorists? Wait- yall invade countries for them. Replenish and supply them to cause terror and fully back them diplomatically while preaching and shoving the fake human rights agenda to the rest of the actual civilised world.

This is a 2-part question.

First, on 9/11, I watched quite a bit of live video of Muslims dancing in the streets when the towers feel. Including here in the US. What I don't remember seeing was official condemnation from Muslim nations. That's not to say it didn't happen. I just don't recall seeing it.

2nd question - yes, we do tend to be hypocritical. When it comes to capital punishment for murderers and baby rapers, we've got rent-a-mobs out there condemning it but when the pro-life crowd stands up for the unborn, the same rent-a-mobs decry it while shouting "Our body our choice".

 

[Kharral]

Netanyahu and Israel are terrorists

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I’d hope that after a little while IR deliberately gas lights & provokes Netanyahu in to carrying out more aggression. Israel without America’s help can’t do jack sh*r to Iran’s nuclear program & there’s already a groundswell of anger against Netanyahu & Israel among white population of EU & US.

Whitefolk must feel & witness that they hold no power & that they are mere pawns at the service of Jews.

 

[Meengla]

For its time ISIS controlled massive swaths of area and implemented a brutal regime within it. Rape, looting, murder for the sake of murder was completely open in there.
Just because they were beaten to the ground does not absolve them of the heinious crimes done in the name of Islam - nor does it really equate with israel.

ISIS was ISIS - they did not pretend to be anything else.
Israel was/is the encyclopedia Britannica definition of hypocrisy in terms of what they try to portray and what they actually are.

But the issue here is that ISIS's influence was through religion alone.
Israel uses religion, economics, politics, social engineering and pretty much anything they can put their hands on to achieve its means in the most ruthless efficient way possible.

On a scale of population and landmass: ISIS's 'large swathes' you talk about are not that large in the Islamic world's landmass and population and you know that. One can occupy a large part of the Sahara Desert but it will be just an empty mass of land with little population, relatively speaking. ISIS never gained the acceptance in the mainstream Islam.
But you are right about Israel in your post.

 

[Kyussis]

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Iran: 610 killed, 4,746 injured (total: 5,356)

Israel: 29 killed, 3,238 injured (total: 3,267)

Just because Israel says something it does not make it a "fact"!

 

[Shags101]

In the end, Trump also inflicts historical blow to Israel, with forced truce, without intervention for Israelis civilians, with openly dealing with iran to avoid Bibi`s trap to make violent conflict usa vs. iran.... in the end he actually trolled zionist all of the time, what then admitted on his network, that they pissed him off with iran, so he had to prepare show to shut their mouths...

Before that, he informed Bibi about new tariffs and `congratulate` him how much money they take from americans...

and bibi is, according to last info, in deep depression state...witness of phone talk bibi-trump said that bibi has been able to say just few words, in long phone call where trump explained who is the boss...

Bibi risked everything, like with war with Biden, although he will cry for Biden for a long time still...lobby dismantled leftist movements in usa just to stop attacks on trump, he put himself in trump`s pocket, tried to play old games and now is...could easy cemented as most negative in israel ever...

Now if anyone accuses Iran for nuclear program, they just could recomend to ask Trump about subject...For Trump attack was simply tremendous, no one could make it better and history will learn about it....

He thought he could get trump to strike more meaningfully on Iran trump gave him a token hit let the Iranians do their “fearsome” retaliation and now we seem to have a more pissed and embarrassed Iran that honestly doesn’t have anything to lose in building a nuclear weapon unless trump offers something mind blowing to the Iranians as a look give up nuclear capabilities we will not veto the next resolution for Palestine you can consider yourselves the winners will go down in history

 

[Exped-33]

And now CNN and few other of Israel stooges are claiming Fordow wasn't entirely destroyed.
If you ask me, that's not a good thing. This could give them further reasons in the future to bomb more nuclear or uranium sites across Iran.
Best thing for Iran at this time is admission that everything was destroyed and nothing survived. Nobody wants to see that Yahoo bring another cherry bomb like chart to the UN explaining how close Iran is to making "the bomb."

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Right.
This @AZ_HighCountry taking ISIS, a totally discredited, small non- entity in the Islamic world and subtly drawing a parallel with the 'only democracy in the Middle East', a nation backed by the 'civilized West', is an obvious obfuscation and deflection.

No, I'm pointing out that's not how Americans see it. Because they've been carefully groomed to believe Muslims in general are savages while forgetting that it is a very very small minority committing this savagery.

People get steeped in their beliefs because that is all they know due to being told that over and over and over again.

 

[Shags101]

Netanyahu claims ‘historic victory,’ says ‘we sent Iran’s nuclear program down the drain’

After US rebuke over strikes, PM says 'Israel has never had a friend like President Trump,' vows to 'act with same determination' if Tehran attempts to restore its atomic program

www.timesofisrael.com

It’s not hard to see Israelis aren’t rolling their eyes just look at all the quotations even the newspapers in Israel are like dude please just go to your sons wedding than go straight to jail he almost literally has nothing left to distract the public now

 

[Meengla]

No, I'm pointing out that's not how Americans see it. Because they've been carefully groomed to believe Muslims in general are savages while forgetting that it is a very very small minority committing this savagery.
People get steeped in their beliefs because that is all they know due to being told that over and over and over again.

I don't think anyone could argue against that.
However, critical people should look at problems by bringing in proportionality. Yes, most Americans may be 'indoctrinated' to what you are saying but you are not 'most' Americans and yet for you to mention, proportionally speaking' an extremely fringe group was not a fair comment.

 

[PakAl]

Israel -
Claims victory, for 12 days had been ruling enemy Iranian skies, bombing whatever they felt like, bases, aircrafts, missile launchers, radars, SAMs, nuclear facilities, infrastructure, they assassinated top iranian generals and scientists, Israel also had 100s of agents on the ground in iran, destroying AD system from the ground, using drones from the ground. Today Israel has no fear they will continue to bomb iran when they feel like it, slowly degrading their military capabilities. Iran lost its nuclear facilities, which cost them billions. For 18 hours Iranians were confused on what was happening.

Iran -
Iran managed to fire atleast 500 missiles at Israel, before the war iran claimed they have 100,000 missiles aimed at Israel but for failed to fire them at Israel, Iran destroyed Israel infrastructures and bases. For 12 days managed to get through to Israel and hitting them hard, this created alot of chaos inside israel. No doubt Iran fought bravely, were ready to fight till end.

Iran to do list-
They MUST identify all agents and traitors inside iran and finish them off, their intelligence agency head needs to be fired and new professional people hired. This cannot be repeated.

Iran must ban the use of pagers, western phones, apps, watches to its military personals. Iran must understand that Israelis had the upper hand, they can continue to bomb iran for 1 year and iran couldn't do much, all because Israelis ruled their airspace. Iran needs anti jamming equipment, AD systems, SAM systems, they must make sure Israel will never be able to dominate iranian skies again.

During this war, Iranian strategic partner Russia was quieter than usual and their close partner India refused to condemn Israel or attend SCO meetings on behalf of iran. Iran must remember who supported them from the beginning till the end.

Regarding military weapons. A lot of people are saying Iran must buy j10c, su35s or Jf17s, this is not possible as the west, Israel and Arab GCC will not allow anyone to sell weapons to Iran, It will not work. unless Iran leaves middle east alone, does not challenge mighty Saudis and Israel in the region, this then may reduce alot of pressure on foreign suppliers and just maybe iran will be able to buy 100 jf17 block 3s to upgrade its airforce. Iran must also invest in SLBM, SLCMs, they need 2nd strike capabilities.

My own opinion - Iran will continue the same path, International sanctions are so serious that no nation will sell cutting edge weaponry to iran, iran will continue giving anti usa and Israel slogans, keeping the domestic audience happy. With officials using this level of non diplomatic language, the situation will be the same. Keep in mind Iran claimed they had 100,000 missiles but only fired 500, they had so many different types of AD systems but majority failed and destroyed, Missiles launchers and bases destroyed

One way out is for Iranian Patriotic/nationalists to rise up, reset relations with everyone, concentrate on Iran, development, military, economy, concentrate on China Russia Pakistan Turkey ASEAN Africa Brazil South African Central Asia Europe, and improve relations with Qatar Egypt. Leave middleeast alone. Then Iran can improve airforce and military, intergrate with China/Pakistan, they will get satellite cover and cutting edge Awaacs, Jamming etc.

No offence to iranian membere but someone has to pay for this incompetence. The regime clearly failed, maybe its better for Ayatollahs to take the back seat and let the military handle military strategies, planning tactics etc.

 

[Kharral]

If Iran was the police state that it is made out to be none of the debacle that occurred 2 weeks age would have been possible!

Absolutely!!!

IR must rid itself of such concerns.
The wicked & insincere would continue painting IR as a police state regardless.

We are living in a dystopian world.
The greatest success of Jewish media is the creation of an upside down reality.
Where good is bad & bad is good.

Satanic forces at play here. The Angels must adapt.