Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

I googled about MSIA, I didn't find anything except a Telegram channel and two studies.

The Telegram channel of this "Institute" is a total joke. Compare it to social media channels of any real think tank.

The two studies are here:

https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://msai.ir/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Iranian-radars.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiA3v6invGOAxXe9rsIHVtSD4gQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZWfdri0q4n690QAKpUeyS

https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://msai.ir/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Iranian-radars.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjuo__HnvGOAxV8nf0HHSFbLMsQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZWfdri0q4n690QAKpUeyS

No author is mentioned, nothing about the "Institute" is mentioned, no sources are mentioned....when I was in 9th grade in school I made better studies for homework!

Even MEK would make better propaganda stuff than this "Institute", which in reality consists of one person who probably is paid to release "qualified" stuff for gullible people like you!

Typical Twitter bullssshhhh

I have said the same thing. Battle damage analysts and former intel officers are brushed aside, but random Israeli accounts are posted over and over as factual.

 

[FUB]

it was a defeat because of information security collapse, given IR wants to fight attrition wars!
And that is the reason why, IR wanted ceasefire.
lets not delude ourselves!

"IR wanted a ceasefire."
Really? Would you mind sharing your source and enlightening us? Did you speak to Khamenei himself? Since when has the war criminal and genocidal maniac Netanyaboo ever agreed, for once, to honor a ceasefire? He seems to be doing it now. I wonder why. Since we are just posting random accounts, that Israel Won, this one seems a lot more plausible. The statements can be quantified. I have yet to see satellite images showing anything more than staging areas being destroyed.

 

[Khansaheeb]

At this point in time....we have to support these incompetent fools, because if we don't the enemy will destroy our country, and turn us into a failed state....after this crisis is over, I will be joining you asking for their wholesale dismissal and a change to the constitution. The clergy cannot be in charge of important organs of power, intelligence, military command and decision making. Ultimately the Iranian people would have to decide what kind of people they want leading them.

Yeh, corrupt ex-Shah of Iran puppets will do Iran good.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

"IR wanted a ceasefire."
Really? Would you mind sharing your source and enlightening us? Did you speak to Khamenei himself? Since when has the war criminal and genocidal maniac Netanyaboo ever agreed, for once, to honor a ceasefire? He seems to be doing it now. I wonder why. Since we are just posting random accounts, that Israel Won, this one seems a lot more plausible. The statements can be quantified. I have yet to see satellite images showing anything more than staging areas being destroyed.

right..

whats the alternate truth that I have missed,

B2 were destroyed?
Intelligence agencies caught agents attacking scientists?

several attackes caught whilst targeting resident areas of scientists?

several moles caught?!!!

several US aircrafts were shot down?!!!


truth is at times like a laser, cuts in half without showing itself!

 

[FUB]

You cannot make this up.
public organizational transparency (none)
leadership, funding, institutional ties ( none)
Website( coming soon)
No external articles, research citations, or official documents
Online presence (none)
Translation:
This is nothing more than a Self‑published commentary channel
That tiny country, 1500 miles away, is sleek.

 

[Homajon]

Battle damage analysts and former intel officers are brushed aside

Who for example?

 

[FUB]

Who for example?

Scott Ritter did an hour analysis on the war. He brought the receipts. He called it a draw and a mistake by Iran to accept a ceasefire. He said one more week of missile salvos would have been devastating for Israel. He also said most of the strikes on the TELs were decoys and doctored.

 

[FUB]

right..

whats the alternate truth that I have missed,

B2 were destroyed?
Intelligence agencies caught agents attacking scientists?

several attackes caught whilst targeting resident areas of scientists?

several moles caught?!!!

several US aircrafts were shot down?!!!


truth is at times like a laser, cuts in half without showing itself!

How about the other side? We all know the facts about the losses Iran suffered against the US. That is who they were fighting. Why is there such heavy sensorship over Israel? There is no dispute that it was a strategic defeat for both the US and Israel.
Do they know where the 600 kilos of Uranium are? No.
Did they stop enrichment? No,
Did the regime collapse? No.
Did they burn a primary card and expose their groups on the ground? Yes,
Has a war ever been won by an air campaign? No,

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. Until we see satellite images from Israel, this was a draw at best and more likely a loss for Israel.

 

[Homajon]

Scott Ritter did an hour analysis on the war. He brought the receipts. He called it a draw and a mistake by Iran to accept a ceasefire. He said one more week of missile salvos would have been devastating for Israel. He also said most of the strikes on the TELs were decoys and doctored.

Well, I gotta say I don't trust guys like Scott Ritter, Gen Mac whatever, John whatever, and all the other guys who are regularly on the YouTube-show of this Iranian guy Nima....they are all "controlled opposition"!
The US establishment knows that many people don't trust mainstream media anymore, so these guys are sent to YouTube to influence peoples opinions....these guys appear anti-establishment, and many things they say are probably true, but they also mix in misinformation, which the viewers then also consider as truthfull....

You always have to be extremely sceptical with EVERYTHING you read or hear, especially with these guys who had important positions in the state, military, intelligence....such people don't suddenly switch sides and become critical of their own country, they are all controlled opposition:

Urban Dictionary: Controlled opposition

Controlled opposition: A controlled opposition is a protest movement that is actually being led by government agents. Nearly all governments in history...

www.urbandictionary.com

But yes, at least here we have real persons who are qualified, whatever their motivation is, and that is definitely better than Twitter bullssshhhh...

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

How about the other side? We all know the facts about the losses Iran suffered against the US. That is who they were fighting. Why is there such heavy sensorship over Israel? There is no dispute that it was a strategic defeat for both the US and Israel.
Do they know where the 600 kilos of Uranium are? No.
Did they stop enrichment? No,
Did the regime collapse? No.
Did they burn a primary card and expose their groups on the ground? Yes,
Has a war ever been won by an air campaign? No,

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. Until we see satellite images from Israel, this was a draw at best and more likely a loss for Israel.

could be, but could very well not be


its not certain, whats certain is the sophisticated collapse of info. security..

is this even a point of debate in any other country??

hello!

 

[Nuffle]

It was a defeat.

It was a military defeat, but strategically it cannot yet be defined as a victory, considering Israel's expected objectives.

 

[FUB]

Well, I gotta say I don't trust guys like Scott Ritter, Gen Mac whatever, John whatever, and all the other guys who are regularly on the YouTube-show of this Iranian guy Nima....they are all "controlled opposition"!
The US establishment knows that many people don't trust mainstream media anymore, so these guys are sent to YouTube to influence peoples opinions....these guys appear anti-establishment, and many things they say are probably true, but they also mix in misinformation, which the viewers then also consider as truthfull....

You always have to be extremely sceptical with EVERYTHING you read or hear, especially with these guys who had important positions in the state, military, intelligence....such people don't suddenly switch sides and become critical of their own country, they are all controlled opposition:

Urban Dictionary: Controlled opposition

Controlled opposition: A controlled opposition is a protest movement that is actually being led by government agents. Nearly all governments in history...

www.urbandictionary.com

But yes, at least here we have real persons who are qualified, whatever their motivation is, and that is definitely better than Twitter bullssshhhh...

The US media has zero credibility. It is always suspect when you have a guy who claims to be a former CIA analyst. Is there such a thing, or is he just another misdirection play? This particular debate was much more plausible than random BS on X.

 

[FUB]

could be, but could very well not be


its not certain, whats certain is the sophisticated collapse of info. security..

is this even a point of debate in any other country??

hello!

No one is debating that. In a war, there are exchanges. What I am saying is that the result of war is not absolute, as some in this forum like to claim. Before the attack on Iran, they played the same script in Russia.
Did that decide the outcome? No
They took a massive amount of Russian territory in a counteroffensive. Did that result in the outcome of the war? no
Security failure- Yes
Thirty IRGC top personnel killed. Yes
Scientists killed-Yes
Natanz damaged? Yes. But the extent is not known
Fordow damaged? unknown
They were not decisive in the outcome.

 

[ShapurII]

No one is debating that. In a war, there are exchanges. What I am saying is that the result of war is not absolute, as some in this forum like to claim. Before the attack on Iran, they played the same script in Russia.
Did that decide the outcome? No
They took a massive amount of Russian territory in a counteroffensive. Did that result in the outcome of the war? no
Security failure- Yes
Thirty IRGC top personnel killed. Yes
Scientists killed-Yes
Natanz damaged? Yes. But the extent is not known
Fordow damaged? unknown
They were not decisive in the outcome.

The extent of damage at Natanz Complex is more or less clear.
Nearly every critical component above the ground has been obliterated.

I like how you guys are trying to make it sound as if destroying our nuclear infrastructure is not important as long as the regime has not been toppled yet lol

The regime can barely provide drinking water to Tehran. It is only a matter of time before chaos erupts, if not the second round of war.

 

[FUB]

The extent of damage at Natanz Complex is more or less clear.
Nearly every critical component above the ground has been obliterated.

I like how you guys are trying to make it sound as if destroying our nuclear infrastructure is not important as long as the regime has not been toppled yet lol

The regime can barely provide drinking water to Tehran. It is only a matter of time before chaos erupts, if not the second round of war.

We are talking about the war itself. The only sure thing is that the research and development halls above ground at Natanz were destroyed. In addition, there was a limited strike at the Arak reactor, which was not operational, to my understanding.

I have said over and over. This regime's foreign policy is a disaster. In just a rough estimate, they caused 20 trillion dollars in nominal damages to Iran's economy ( 35 years at $500 billion nominal value plus inflation). I have never met one person who left and was happy about the economy or life in Iran.
The worst part of the regime is that they played this game for 35 years, and they have not declared themselves as a nuclear-weapon state or made the decision.
The Palestinian issue is not our problem. To take on world Jewry, and for what? Because they are clinging onto some ideologs' dreams.