Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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even MSIA have accepted reality
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I googled about MSIA, I didn't find anything except a Telegram channel and two studies.

The Telegram channel of this "Institute" is a total joke. Compare it to social media channels of any real think tank.

The two studies are here:




No author is mentioned, nothing about the "Institute" is mentioned, no sources are mentioned....when I was in 9th grade in school I made better studies for homework!

Even MEK would make better propaganda stuff than this "Institute", which in reality consists of one person who probably is paid to release "qualified" stuff for gullible people like you!

Typical Twitter bullssshhhh
 
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By Dr. Osman faruk Logoglu, Former Turkish Foreign Ministry Undersecretary and Member of the Grand National Assembly

www.tabnak.ir

Iran doesn’t lose, Israel doesn’t win

TABNAK, Aug. 04 - Israel’s unprovoked, but long-time intended and planned attack on Iran that started on June 13 and lasted nearly two weeks produced no clear victories for either side.
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it was a defeat because of information security collapse, given IR wants to fight attrition wars!
And that is the reason why, IR wanted ceasefire.
lets not delude ourselves!
 
Homajon said:
I googled about MSIA, I didn't find anything except a Telegram channel and two studies.

The Telegram channel of this "Institute" is a total joke. Compare it to social media channels of any real think tank.

The two studies are here:




No author is mentioned, nothing about the "Institute" is mentioned, no sources are mentioned....when I was in 9th grade in school I made better studies for homework!

Even MEK would make better propaganda stuff than this "Institute", which in reality consists of one person who probably is paid to release "qualified" stuff for gullible people like you!

Typical Twitter bullssshhhh
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I have said the same thing. Battle damage analysts and former intel officers are brushed aside, but random Israeli accounts are posted over and over as factual.
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
it was a defeat because of information security collapse, given IR wants to fight attrition wars!
And that is the reason why, IR wanted ceasefire.
lets not delude ourselves!
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"IR wanted a ceasefire."
Really? Would you mind sharing your source and enlightening us? Did you speak to Khamenei himself? Since when has the war criminal and genocidal maniac Netanyaboo ever agreed, for once, to honor a ceasefire? He seems to be doing it now. I wonder why. Since we are just posting random accounts, that Israel Won, this one seems a lot more plausible. The statements can be quantified. I have yet to see satellite images showing anything more than staging areas being destroyed.
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kastor ville said:
At this point in time....we have to support these incompetent fools, because if we don't the enemy will destroy our country, and turn us into a failed state....after this crisis is over, I will be joining you asking for their wholesale dismissal and a change to the constitution. The clergy cannot be in charge of important organs of power, intelligence, military command and decision making. Ultimately the Iranian people would have to decide what kind of people they want leading them.
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Yeh, corrupt ex-Shah of Iran puppets will do Iran good.
 
FUB said:
"IR wanted a ceasefire."
Really? Would you mind sharing your source and enlightening us? Did you speak to Khamenei himself? Since when has the war criminal and genocidal maniac Netanyaboo ever agreed, for once, to honor a ceasefire? He seems to be doing it now. I wonder why. Since we are just posting random accounts, that Israel Won, this one seems a lot more plausible. The statements can be quantified. I have yet to see satellite images showing anything more than staging areas being destroyed.
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right..

whats the alternate truth that I have missed,

B2 were destroyed?
Intelligence agencies caught agents attacking scientists?

several attackes caught whilst targeting resident areas of scientists?

several moles caught?!!!

several US aircrafts were shot down?!!!


truth is at times like a laser, cuts in half without showing itself!
 
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Homajon said:
Who for example?
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Scott Ritter did an hour analysis on the war. He brought the receipts. He called it a draw and a mistake by Iran to accept a ceasefire. He said one more week of missile salvos would have been devastating for Israel. He also said most of the strikes on the TELs were decoys and doctored.
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
right..

whats the alternate truth that I have missed,

B2 were destroyed?
Intelligence agencies caught agents attacking scientists?

several attackes caught whilst targeting resident areas of scientists?

several moles caught?!!!

several US aircrafts were shot down?!!!


truth is at times like a laser, cuts in half without showing itself!
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How about the other side? We all know the facts about the losses Iran suffered against the US. That is who they were fighting. Why is there such heavy sensorship over Israel? There is no dispute that it was a strategic defeat for both the US and Israel.
Do they know where the 600 kilos of Uranium are? No.
Did they stop enrichment? No,
Did the regime collapse? No.
Did they burn a primary card and expose their groups on the ground? Yes,
Has a war ever been won by an air campaign? No,

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. Until we see satellite images from Israel, this was a draw at best and more likely a loss for Israel.
 
FUB said:
Scott Ritter did an hour analysis on the war. He brought the receipts. He called it a draw and a mistake by Iran to accept a ceasefire. He said one more week of missile salvos would have been devastating for Israel. He also said most of the strikes on the TELs were decoys and doctored.
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Well, I gotta say I don't trust guys like Scott Ritter, Gen Mac whatever, John whatever, and all the other guys who are regularly on the YouTube-show of this Iranian guy Nima....they are all "controlled opposition"!
The US establishment knows that many people don't trust mainstream media anymore, so these guys are sent to YouTube to influence peoples opinions....these guys appear anti-establishment, and many things they say are probably true, but they also mix in misinformation, which the viewers then also consider as truthfull....

You always have to be extremely sceptical with EVERYTHING you read or hear, especially with these guys who had important positions in the state, military, intelligence....such people don't suddenly switch sides and become critical of their own country, they are all controlled opposition:

www.urbandictionary.com

Urban Dictionary: Controlled opposition

Controlled opposition: A controlled opposition is a protest movement that is actually being led by government agents. Nearly all governments in history...
www.urbandictionary.com www.urbandictionary.com


But yes, at least here we have real persons who are qualified, whatever their motivation is, and that is definitely better than Twitter bullssshhhh...
 
FUB said:
How about the other side? We all know the facts about the losses Iran suffered against the US. That is who they were fighting. Why is there such heavy sensorship over Israel? There is no dispute that it was a strategic defeat for both the US and Israel.
Do they know where the 600 kilos of Uranium are? No.
Did they stop enrichment? No,
Did the regime collapse? No.
Did they burn a primary card and expose their groups on the ground? Yes,
Has a war ever been won by an air campaign? No,

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. Until we see satellite images from Israel, this was a draw at best and more likely a loss for Israel.
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could be, but could very well not be


its not certain, whats certain is the sophisticated collapse of info. security..

is this even a point of debate in any other country??

hello!
 
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